Ladies and gents, your new VP Palin

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Do you know what the difference is between us? I hope we find out the truth. You hope she's guilty.

Well, you have a point there, altho she hasn't committed a crime, other than being a zealotous nut freak..... firing aperson w/o cause is a civil (tort)and/or administrative act, not a crime. I'm sure her criminal activity will surface, just give her time

First you call her trailer trash and now you think she's a criminal. Can't you find something based on fact to criticize her about?


Completely off topic but I'm curious: What's Obama's stance on gun control? I only ask because he suspiciously left it off of his website and I'd like to know.

Read the long post of accomplishments I compiled and I didn't even get to the bridge. Obama and gun control, he's probably for it. That little 7-2 packed SCOTUS won;t let him do anything silly with that tho. I don;t think it is his pet project like Bush spent his entirte 1st term passing the overtime law as a good fascist would oppress labor.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>First you call her trailer trash and now you think she's a criminal.


I think she's the double threat; she's both


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can't you find something based on fact to criticize her about?


I did, read the list of qualifications of her and Obama.

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Aren't you jealous of us?

No, dear. It's a lot of work to choose the right one(s). We have a lot of good politicians with a brilliant background. And our systems allows "us" to have a certain influence on that. It's hard work, I tell you.

So it's surely easier to see few puppets presented which in fact look all the same - worthless. So it's easy to choose.

On what should I be jealous. I like our representatives. We made a good choice.

Let's look forward to yours. That's much more important.

That was total sarcasm, I'm jealous of Canada, Europe and other countries. I didn't look, what country are you from?

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I hate to break this to you, but McCain is running for POTUS. Palin will be the VICE president if McCain wins.

Also, is there a problem with a femalew politician who is physically attractive and with an apparently affable personality?

She is uneducated? How so? What makes one uneducated? Lack of post-doctoral work? Lack of doctorate? Master's? Bachelor's? Cannot read or write?

And America does have choices. Many. One side chose McCain (too old, eh?). Age is apparently a disqualifier, too.

She eeked out a BA in Journalism, he is JD / law school teacher for 12 years, I'm sure you can relate to how difficult that is. Educationally, he towers over her, intellectually, same. You know it's true, but look at fascist Ronnie, he didn't have a lot of education and ........ wait, bad example, nevermind

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Perhaps you are unaware that each state has its own labor laws pertaining to employment, compulsory unionization and minimum wage too. Federal laws set minimum standards (like federal minimum wage), they do not set at-will laws.


FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, states must meet or exceed fed standards. For example, many states have min wage laws that are above fed mins, as in California, states cannot fall below that, period. This is really elementary stuff my friend.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I said no such thing, and challenge you to show where I said that.


THIS IS LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL!!!

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3335744;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; post #30


Good grief...okay, I'll explain it this way:

The amount of scrutiny being applied now to Gov. Palin would crush Sen. Obama. She's been in elected office five years longer than the Senator, yet everyone is claiming "we don't know about her". It's not like she's not been in the public eye.

What I am seeing from this is that her selection caught the democrats completely off guard. We know all about Senators McCain and Biden. Politicos know about Gov. Palin.

What's been discovered about Sen. Obama, and gets no coverage is disturbing. The Chicago political machine, Ayers, contributions received from Freddie/Fannie (he's number two on the list for all time, he's only been in the US Senate for two years)...all the things that people wish we could change away from!

I'm not part of that whole smear crowd about his religion, skin color, et al...this person is a tax-spend socialist. He's been building his campaign on "anti-love" of country. He claims this country isn't as good as it once was. When was it better?

He got rich these past eight years. When else might he have accomplished this?

Why is someone's incessant whining about what's wrong so appealing to people? Are people feeling that sorry for themselves?


OOPS, concede and bow as you back away


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I did say that Gov. Palin has five more years in elected office than Sen. Obama.



Yes, and he was a state Senator since 97, then right into US Senator. BTW, these are much higher positions than mayor of town of 6300 and Governor of an extremely sparse state.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Perhaps you are unaware that each state has its own labor laws pertaining to employment, compulsory unionization and minimum wage too. Federal laws set minimum standards (like federal minimum wage), they do not set at-will laws.


FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, states must meet or exceed fed standards. For example, many states have min wage laws that are above fed mins, as in California, states cannot fall below that, period. This is really elementary stuff my friend.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I said no such thing, and challenge you to show where I said that.


THIS IS LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL!!!

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3335744;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; post #30


Good grief...okay, I'll explain it this way:

The amount of scrutiny being applied now to Gov. Palin would crush Sen. Obama. She's been in elected office five years longer than the Senator, yet everyone is claiming "we don't know about her". It's not like she's not been in the public eye.

What I am seeing from this is that her selection caught the democrats completely off guard. We know all about Senators McCain and Biden. Politicos know about Gov. Palin.

What's been discovered about Sen. Obama, and gets no coverage is disturbing. The Chicago political machine, Ayers, contributions received from Freddie/Fannie (he's number two on the list for all time, he's only been in the US Senate for two years)...all the things that people wish we could change away from!

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You thought Obama had been a US Senator for only 2 years and had no other leadership experience than that, including the little stint in the Ill. Senate since 97, so all is consistent.

He's been in the US Senate for two years, I never said that was his only experience, I did point out that in those two short yeras, he's been in session for a little over four months and within those two years, he's managed to receive more contributions from Freddie/Fannie than anyone else in the Senate, save Sen. Dodd of Connecticut.

So, bask in whatever glory you find in that...I never said it was his only experience.

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Yes, and he was a state Senator since 97, then right into US Senator. BTW, these are much higher positions than mayor of town of 6300 and Governor of an extremely sparse state.

The governor of a state, that provides a significant amount of energy to the country and North America? A governor of a state who has CinC responsibilities over National Guard units? A governor that has to make decisions, not vote "present"? Yeah, being a state senator is so much easier than actually running a city, or state...not.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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LUCKY: You thought Obama had been a US Senator for only 2 years and had no other leadership experience than that, including the little stint in the Ill. Senate since 97, so all is consistent.


GAWAIN: How does this vindicate your claim of: (see above)

GAWAIN FROM ANOTHER THREAD: Good grief...okay, I'll explain it this way:

The amount of scrutiny being applied now to Gov. Palin would crush Sen. Obama. She's been in elected office five years longer than the Senator, yet everyone is claiming "we don't know about her". It's not like she's not been in the public eye.

What I am seeing from this is that her selection caught the democrats completely off guard. We know all about Senators McCain and Biden. Politicos know about Gov. Palin.

What's been discovered about Sen. Obama, and gets no coverage is disturbing. The Chicago political machine, Ayers, contributions received from Freddie/Fannie (he's number two on the list for all time, he's only been in the US Senate for two years)...all the things that people wish we could change away from!

GAWAIN: He's been in the US Senate for two years, I never said that was his only experience, I did point out that in those two short yeras, he's been in session for a little over four months and within those two years, he's managed to receive more contributions from Freddie/Fannie than anyone else in the Senate, save Sen. Dodd of Connecticut.

So, bask in whatever glory you find in that...I never said it was his only experience.


LUCKY"S NEW RESPONSE: How is this difficult? You wrote: "...he's only been in the US Senate for two years." Where is the ambiguity? Do you realize he has been a US Senator since January 05, which is 4 years this comming January? He could only have been a US Senator since January 05 or January 07, so you erred by thinking he was elected this last mid-term cycle and not the last general election. Can you admit that? It appears either you didn't know or you're trying to mislead by mitigating his experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama

And by saying that, "...he's only been in the US Senate for two years." You infer that that is his only experience.


LUCKY: Yes, and he was a state Senator since 97, then right into US Senator. BTW, these are much higher positions than mayor of town of 6300 and Governor of an extremely sparse state.


GAWAIN: The governor of a state, that provides a significant amount of energy to the country and North America? A governor of a state who has CinC responsibilities over National Guard units? A governor that has to make decisions, not vote "present"? Yeah, being a state senator is so much easier than actually running a city, or state...not.

LUCKY"S NEW RESPONSE:They are both pressure positions, a US Senator is much more nationally visible than a governor, as their actions effect the entire country.

The point here is that you are trying to build this strawman of fallacious information that Obama is unprepared to lead when he has FAR more education and experience than Palin, and she isn't running for president.

Bottom line here, in the other thread, you stated that Obama had been a US Senator for 2 years when in fact it is almost 4 years, not to mention his 8 years as a state senator. Can you admit you erred?

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Perhaps you are unaware that each state has its own labor laws pertaining to employment, compulsory unionization and minimum wage too. Federal laws set minimum standards (like federal minimum wage), they do not set at-will laws.

FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, states must meet or exceed fed standards. For example, many states have min wage laws that are above fed mins, as in California, states cannot fall below that, period. This is really elementary stuff my friend.

What part of "at will" do you NOT understand? We'll try to explain it to you. He's right - you're wrong.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Bottom line here, in the other thread, you stated that Obama had been a US Senator for 2 years when in fact it is almost 4 years, not to mention his 8 years as a state senator. Can you admit you erred?

Yes, I can admit I made an error in stating that Sen. Obama had only been in the US Senate for 2 years. While Sen. Obama tipped his hat into the ring, in 1997, Gov. Palin tipped hers in 1992. You can belittle local politics all you want, being a mayor is harder than being a Senator any day of the week...especially a US Senator....

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I hate to break this to you, but McCain is running for POTUS. Palin will be the VICE president if McCain wins.

Also, is there a problem with a femalew politician who is physically attractive and with an apparently affable personality?

She is uneducated? How so? What makes one uneducated? Lack of post-doctoral work? Lack of doctorate? Master's? Bachelor's? Cannot read or write?

And America does have choices. Many. One side chose McCain (too old, eh?). Age is apparently a disqualifier, too.

She eeked out a BA in Journalism, he is JD / law school teacher for 12 years, I'm sure you can relate to how difficult that is. Educationally, he towers over her, intellectually, same. You know it's true, but look at fascist Ronnie, he didn't have a lot of education and ........ wait, bad example, nevermind

Okay. So she's not "uneducated." She is "educated" just not as educated.

I can agree with and accept that. But calling her "uneducated" is something with which no objective person would agree.

Calling her "inexperienced" is similarly objectively disproveable. She's got experience in government. How about, "She lacks the sort of experience that I would like to seefrom a person who may ascend to the presidency, such as foreign policy experience."

That's something that is valid, as opposed to "she's inexperienced."

I know how difficult it is to get a teaching gig in a law school. But on the other hand, it is much easier to get an adjunct position. This does not discredit what Biden did. But he is knowledgeable enough in Constitutional law to land a gig with it and make it last 18 years. Good on him.

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Perhaps you are unaware that each state has its own labor laws pertaining to employment, compulsory unionization and minimum wage too. Federal laws set minimum standards (like federal minimum wage), they do not set at-will laws.

FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, states must meet or exceed fed standards. For example, many states have min wage laws that are above fed mins, as in California, states cannot fall below that, period. This is really elementary stuff my friend.

What part of "at will" do you NOT understand? We'll try to explain it to you. He's right - you're wrong.

What part of federal laws preside over state laws don't you understand? I'm right, he's wrong/you're wrong.

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Bottom line here, in the other thread, you stated that Obama had been a US Senator for 2 years when in fact it is almost 4 years, not to mention his 8 years as a state senator. Can you admit you erred?

Yes, I can admit I made an error in stating that Sen. Obama had only been in the US Senate for 2 years. While Sen. Obama tipped his hat into the ring, in 1997, Gov. Palin tipped hers in 1992. You can belittle local politics all you want, being a mayor is harder than being a Senator any day of the week...especially a US Senator....

Being a mayor of a town of 6300 or 700 is a joke. I've lived in a town of 50k before and it's non-existent. Hell, being a mayor of a town of 7k is like being on an HOA board .

As well, Obama was teaching at a law school and working with other organizations while he was a state senator, so Obama's contributions / achievements are much greater.

I just have a hard time thinking that being a mayor of 7000 people gets you ready for a presidency.

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Come on man, a Journalism degree. From a guy like you who attended law school looking at Obama, a guy who graduated Magna from an Ivy league law school..... you and I know the deal, I realize you want to support her. Most people couldn't even get into a teir 4 law school and you did that or better, as well as Obama a high tier 1 school and Magna!!!!!! Then to teach Const law for 12 years too..... she's a basketball player, beauty queen 3rd placer, homemaker, soccer mom - he's a professional lawyer, brilliant guy. Nothing against her, I'm sure she's a fine mother, but she is not presidential material and she's 1 cardiak afterload away from being there, 1 cancerous mole from being there.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>Okay. So she's not "uneducated." She is "educated" just not as educated.

She's barely educated. She bounced from community college to another to university and eeked out a Journalism degree.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can agree with and accept that. But calling her "uneducated" is something with which no objective person would agree.


OK, so fine, but she has little education for an office for which she is running.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Calling her "inexperienced" is similarly objectively disproveable. She's got experience in government. How about, "She lacks the sort of experience that I would like to seefrom a person who may ascend to the presidency, such as foreign policy experience."


Now we're getting semantic. Please answer: do you think being mayor of a town of 7000 is worthy of mentioning as experience to be a president one day, second in the line of succession?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know how difficult it is to get a teaching gig in a law school. But on the other hand, it is much easier to get an adjunct position.


Hell, how about graduating magna from an ivy league school?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.This does not discredit what Biden did. But he is knowledgeable enough in Constitutional law to land a gig with it and make it last 18 years. Good on him.


Do you mean Obama? He taught 12 years. Not sure if we're on the same page.

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Barely educated? That's what I'm talking about. I personally consider a person with a GED to be "educated." An associate degree? Educated. My mom got an A.A. in x-ray. She never got higher than that, yet she is now an adjunct teaching ultrasound to ER doctors at a trauma center. She is far lesser "educated" than these doctors, whose intellectual firepower is, as she stated, "amazing." But she's teaching THEM.

She is, perhaps, "uneducated" by your standards. But "uneducated" doesn't mean that a person has nothing to add. Or nothing to show. I took that from the military - even that E-2 Private had something to add to my understanding of things. Everybody did. And just because that E-2 was 19 and working on her GED did not mean that she didn't know what she was talking about.

And yes, Ivy League education is no joke. I'm not Ivy League. I didn't get into a Top 30 school. I was center mass in my school. My best friend, on the other hand, has an LLM, J.D., Ph.D., MBA, two M.A.s, B.A., B.S - and is a BMF besides. He's also probably the least pretentious person I've ever known. He's also a communist with a small "c." But we both love beer, hockey and women. And we have immense personal respect for each other.

Johan hasn't ever mentioned that Palin is uneducated. He just disagrees with her policies. To me, it is much more respectable and honorable to discuss a person's policies in a reasonable way than to ignore policies in pursuit of other things.

As an aside - he turned down the London School of Economics for his doctorate. I understand his reasons. My younger brother just got started at USC. He turned down Cal-Tech, which I personally thought was nuts. Then I talked to him about it, and he had good reasons for it. I would decide differently, but he has my support because he wants to finally experience a social life to complement the pursuit of academics.

So he's not at what many consider to be the finest engineering college west coast. he does had other things he wants to do. And he can get his engineering degree at U.S.C.

Some would state he lacks sound judgment. Others would say he's uneducated and foolish. Others would say he is making the wrong choice.

That would be the wrong choice - for me. For him, it is the RIGHT choice. For Palin, a journalism degree was the right choice. She didn't have Ivy League aspirations. She had a family and to her, that was important.

To Biden, like me, a law degree was important. He got it from an Ivy League school. Good on him. He was a good father to his sons when their mother and daughter were killed in a car wreck.

Most about Biden is admirable. He pursued a life that was what he thought was right. Palin did the same thing.

And I think that for that to be held against her is a shame. She has experience with politics and with life. She's on the national stage now. Can she do the job? We don't know. We don't know that about anybody.

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Education does not equal intelligence.

And this statement is proven on this site over and over again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Impressive resume for Obama. Sorry but while Obama's resume looks impressive, he did nothing as a Senator that is anywhere close to being as impressive as fighting big oil and government corruption.... and winning.


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Perhaps you are unaware that each state has its own labor laws pertaining to employment, compulsory unionization and minimum wage too. Federal laws set minimum standards (like federal minimum wage), they do not set at-will laws.

FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, states must meet or exceed fed standards. For example, many states have min wage laws that are above fed mins, as in California, states cannot fall below that, period. This is really elementary stuff my friend.

What part of "at will" do you NOT understand? We'll try to explain it to you. He's right - you're wrong.

What part of federal laws preside over state laws don't you understand? I'm right, he's wrong/you're wrong.

Prove it - show were Federal law overrides state 'at-will' laws.

Good luck - you'll need it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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why is everyone so afraid to compare apples? lets put Obama and McCains list together? or are we afraid ?

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why is everyone so afraid to compare apples? lets put Obama and McCains list together? or are we afraid ?

Have at it. It's the democrats that are putting Sen. Obama's list next to Gov. Palin's...comparing their Presidential candidate to the republican VP candidate. Leaving the Presidential candidate to roam free...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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As well, Obama was teaching at a law school and working with other organizations while he was a state senator, so Obama's contributions / achievements are much greater.

And here it is...please list these vast achievements of Sen. Obama (dating back from US Senate through to community organizer)...because you will be the only supporter of Sen. Obama that knows...no one else does...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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As well, Obama was teaching at a law school and working with other organizations while he was a state senator, so Obama's contributions / achievements are much greater.

And here it is...please list these vast achievements of Sen. Obama (dating back from US Senate through to community organizer)...because you will be the only supporter of Sen. Obama that knows...no one else does...

If they, the Dems, dare to compare and see what really may loose the election for Obama, they will loose the issue they are setting up to blame his lose on. Did you know that he (Obama) is black?????

IF he looses race will be the reason, unless they are forced to compare. (and I doubt that would even stop the whining, finger pointing and gnashing of the teeth, should he loose)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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ok here it comes, the race card. could only use it once so they start to pull this shit 6 weeks before the election. heard it all over the news this morning about the poll. We have a senator with no acomplishments in time served, 2 senators with alot of time and acomplishments(both good and bad), and govenor with some good and bad and all we hear about black white, male female, and lipstick on a pig? I guess this is a typical election.

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You know for someone who has already even before the facts or regardless of facts is so For Plain you have presented ZERO facts for your position.

All I ever see you post is “You fear her”, or “ wow your so afraid of her”

Other then that BS do you actually have a reason to like her other then our fear? Or had you already made the decision to blindly support whoever McCaine picks before even knowing?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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>Have at it. It's the democrats that are putting Sen. Obama's list next to Gov. Palin's. . . .

That's the odd thing. Republicans both here and in the McCain campaign are comparing Palin to Obama, as if they've forgotten she's not running for president.

Indeed, a top McCain policy adviser recently said that people want a governor for president rather than a senator - which, of course, eliminates both McCain and Obama from consideration. Are the republicans hoping for McCain's early demise? That would be odd.

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That's the odd thing. Republicans both here and in the McCain campaign are comparing Palin to Obama, as if they've forgotten she's not running for president.

Indeed, a top McCain policy adviser recently said that people want a governor for president rather than a senator - which, of course, eliminates both McCain and Obama from consideration. Are the republicans hoping for McCain's early demise? That would be odd.

The problem is that they ARE.. comparing apples to apples.. I am pretty sure they know that McCain is not long for this world.