kallend 2,106 #1 September 21, 2008 www.texarkanagazette.com/news/Breaking-News/2008/09/20/update-feds-raid-alamo-ministries-in-fou-76.php... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #2 September 21, 2008 Quote www.texarkanagazette.com/news/Breaking-News/2008/09/20/update-feds-raid-alamo-ministries-in-fou-76.php Well, even Christians got to get their freak on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #3 September 21, 2008 Kallend you stoop to new lows. This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, apparently led by a very disturbed individual. If you hate Christians, I don't care, but pointing to this as indicative of Christianity only exposes your ignorance.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #4 September 21, 2008 That’s OK. All college professors are America hating, left wing douchebags who smoke dope, sell our secrets to foreign governments, and usually had their first experience with oral sex at the hand of an abusive stepdad. Oh…just like all Christians are child molesters. Mook.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #5 September 21, 2008 QuoteThat�s OK. All college professors are America hating, left wing douchebags who smoke dope, sell our secrets to foreign governments, and usually had their first experience with oral sex at the hand of an abusive stepdad. Oh�just like all Christians are child molesters. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was a fine Christian response, I don't believe Jesus him self could have said it better. The douchebag comment showed particular class. Out of idol curiosity did you have an abusive stepdad? or perhaps a stepchild? The sad truth is religion provides the perfect cover for pedophiles. Children and thier parents put a lot of blind faith in people who are involved with thier church and the fact is a child is way more likely to be molested by someone in thier church rather than by a stanger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #6 September 21, 2008 QuoteKallend you stoop to new lows. This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, apparently led by a very disturbed individual. If you hate Christians, I don't care, but pointing to this as indicative of Christianity only exposes your ignorance. Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TankBuster 0 #7 September 21, 2008 QuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #8 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #9 September 21, 2008 Quote College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Pretty sure he also said elementary school teachers. It was an example. There are shitbags in every walk of life. That was his point. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #10 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuote College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Pretty sure he also said elementary school teachers. It was an example. There are shitbags in every walk of life. That was his point. Really... because it reads like his point was that adults who fuck 10 year old children and two consenting adults in a specific power relationship hold the same level of shitbagness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #11 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #12 September 21, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Brings a whole new use for the terms: - sliding scale - grading on a curve College professors who score on their students rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #13 September 21, 2008 Quote This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, And the difference is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #14 September 21, 2008 QuoteThe Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. Right.. Christians get "in" by not being perfect but by being forgiven. So basically a bunch of them seem to believe they can treat others as they like all week.... do any act they wish all week long.. and go get "forgiven" for all of their sins on Sunday.. and start over just after church...or confession.. depending on their dogma. All the teachings of christ seem to come down to do unto others however the fuck you like.. as long as you beg for forgiveness before you die..... seems our right wing has attracted these people in droves. They are holier that all the rest of us...but certainly do know their sins quite well... they are very very schooled in sinning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TankBuster 0 #15 September 21, 2008 Wow. Alot happened while I was gone. My point was that to invalidate Christianity because there is sin (or in other terms "shitbaggedness") among us is missing the basis of Christianity. There have been some good people try to explain it on these forums and it meets with sarcasm and hatred and obtuse comments. I won't try because I don't think this is a good medium to explain something spiritual. But, call me or better yet come to my home and we will share some food and drink and good conversation. That's open to all of you. Kallend and Amazon included.... Normally people attack what they are afraid of. It seems many of you live in a state of anger and unforgiveness. Why?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16 September 21, 2008 QuoteNormally people attack what they are afraid of. It seems many of you live in a state of anger and unforgiveness. Why? I know my fellow christian all too well. I spent YEARS in parochial school. I spent years in our church choir, we were very involved in our church. We knew our paster too well. I know my fellow christians very very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Para_Frog 1 #17 September 21, 2008 You're missing the irony, which I'm certain Dr. K. got. I'll go ahead and add you to the parted hair list I keep of people on here.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #18 September 21, 2008 [What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. _________________________________________________ I really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #19 September 21, 2008 Quote Quote Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. Maybe, just maybe, the Christian right's constant attempts to get their "morality" () enshrined in law so everyone else has to comply is what makes their hypocrisy so obvious. Case in point - Palin's desire to force rape victims to bear the child of the rapist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #20 September 21, 2008 Quote I'll go ahead and add you to the parted hair list I keep of people on here. Add me too -- my hair parted quite a while back. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #21 September 21, 2008 From the article: Quote “Alamo blames the Catholic Church for every evil imaginable, including communism, Nazism, the two world wars and even the Jonestown Massacre. "Narcotics, prostitution, pornography, booze and black market—every filthy thing—can be traced right back to the Vatican," the cult leader has written. Hey, it sounds like some of the people in this thread would fit right in. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites somethinelse 0 #22 September 21, 2008 wow this thread is one of the MAIN reasons that i seldom visiti this forum. You all seem to be seeing things in black and white, rather than the shades of grey in between. I am a Christian and far from perfect. Chrisitianity is not about what we do or do not do... But rather the awesome gift of forgiveness, restoration and renewal of our spirit and souls with God but only thru Jesus Christ and His mediation in fact for us and our lack or worthiness and perfection of soul. Who among us could possibly say that we are completely without fault or vice or even our own "pet" tendency or tendencies towards doing the wrong thing? Hey, I am far from perfect, and that is NOT what Chrisitianity is all about anyway. Religion... a organized spiritual way of doing life, Chrisitianity... organized or not, but thru Jesus, not by WHAT I do or do not do. Sorry, if that is about as clear as mud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #23 September 21, 2008 Quote [What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. _________________________________________________ I really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. It's gonna vary, but people are people and the law of averages seems to apply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #24 September 21, 2008 QuoteI really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. Source please, or is this part of your reality revealed to you by the god you do not believe in. Seriously...I want to see a credible source to your claim. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #25 September 21, 2008 John, You've been active in these forums for many years. Even though I haven't agreed with you on some issues, I told you that I thought you were an honest poster. 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kallend 2,106 #6 September 21, 2008 QuoteKallend you stoop to new lows. This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, apparently led by a very disturbed individual. If you hate Christians, I don't care, but pointing to this as indicative of Christianity only exposes your ignorance. Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #7 September 21, 2008 QuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #8 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #9 September 21, 2008 Quote College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Pretty sure he also said elementary school teachers. It was an example. There are shitbags in every walk of life. That was his point. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #10 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuote College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Pretty sure he also said elementary school teachers. It was an example. There are shitbags in every walk of life. That was his point. Really... because it reads like his point was that adults who fuck 10 year old children and two consenting adults in a specific power relationship hold the same level of shitbagness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #11 September 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #12 September 21, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. College professors who bang grown women are "abominable" and on par with pedophiles because the grown women are also their students... you are putting moral compass repair men out of business owning such a finely tuned instrument. Brings a whole new use for the terms: - sliding scale - grading on a curve College professors who score on their students rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #13 September 21, 2008 Quote This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, And the difference is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 September 21, 2008 QuoteThe Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. Right.. Christians get "in" by not being perfect but by being forgiven. So basically a bunch of them seem to believe they can treat others as they like all week.... do any act they wish all week long.. and go get "forgiven" for all of their sins on Sunday.. and start over just after church...or confession.. depending on their dogma. All the teachings of christ seem to come down to do unto others however the fuck you like.. as long as you beg for forgiveness before you die..... seems our right wing has attracted these people in droves. They are holier that all the rest of us...but certainly do know their sins quite well... they are very very schooled in sinning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #15 September 21, 2008 Wow. Alot happened while I was gone. My point was that to invalidate Christianity because there is sin (or in other terms "shitbaggedness") among us is missing the basis of Christianity. There have been some good people try to explain it on these forums and it meets with sarcasm and hatred and obtuse comments. I won't try because I don't think this is a good medium to explain something spiritual. But, call me or better yet come to my home and we will share some food and drink and good conversation. That's open to all of you. Kallend and Amazon included.... Normally people attack what they are afraid of. It seems many of you live in a state of anger and unforgiveness. Why?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 September 21, 2008 QuoteNormally people attack what they are afraid of. It seems many of you live in a state of anger and unforgiveness. Why? I know my fellow christian all too well. I spent YEARS in parochial school. I spent years in our church choir, we were very involved in our church. We knew our paster too well. I know my fellow christians very very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #17 September 21, 2008 You're missing the irony, which I'm certain Dr. K. got. I'll go ahead and add you to the parted hair list I keep of people on here.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #18 September 21, 2008 [What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. _________________________________________________ I really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #19 September 21, 2008 Quote Quote Well, it's not like the Roman Catholics don't have the same problem, is it? Or are they a "cult" too? The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. Maybe, just maybe, the Christian right's constant attempts to get their "morality" () enshrined in law so everyone else has to comply is what makes their hypocrisy so obvious. Case in point - Palin's desire to force rape victims to bear the child of the rapist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #20 September 21, 2008 Quote I'll go ahead and add you to the parted hair list I keep of people on here. Add me too -- my hair parted quite a while back. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 September 21, 2008 From the article: Quote “Alamo blames the Catholic Church for every evil imaginable, including communism, Nazism, the two world wars and even the Jonestown Massacre. "Narcotics, prostitution, pornography, booze and black market—every filthy thing—can be traced right back to the Vatican," the cult leader has written. Hey, it sounds like some of the people in this thread would fit right in. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
somethinelse 0 #22 September 21, 2008 wow this thread is one of the MAIN reasons that i seldom visiti this forum. You all seem to be seeing things in black and white, rather than the shades of grey in between. I am a Christian and far from perfect. Chrisitianity is not about what we do or do not do... But rather the awesome gift of forgiveness, restoration and renewal of our spirit and souls with God but only thru Jesus Christ and His mediation in fact for us and our lack or worthiness and perfection of soul. Who among us could possibly say that we are completely without fault or vice or even our own "pet" tendency or tendencies towards doing the wrong thing? Hey, I am far from perfect, and that is NOT what Chrisitianity is all about anyway. Religion... a organized spiritual way of doing life, Chrisitianity... organized or not, but thru Jesus, not by WHAT I do or do not do. Sorry, if that is about as clear as mud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 September 21, 2008 Quote [What you guys won't admit is that there is approximately the same rate of homosexuality, pedophilia, murder, etc in the church/Christianity as there is outside. _________________________________________________ I really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. It's gonna vary, but people are people and the law of averages seems to apply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #24 September 21, 2008 QuoteI really think the percentage of pedophiles, gays, and men with just all around issues involving sex are much higher than the general population in the catholic church. Any time someone commits to a life with zero sex is bound to have, or is going to have major issues with sex. When I was 12 I spent a weekend at a catholic seminary and the vast majority of guys were fucking strange. Source please, or is this part of your reality revealed to you by the god you do not believe in. Seriously...I want to see a credible source to your claim. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #25 September 21, 2008 John, You've been active in these forums for many years. Even though I haven't agreed with you on some issues, I told you that I thought you were an honest poster. Here's my question and I have no doubt that I will get an honest answer: What was your motivation in posting that article and wording the title of the thread the way you did? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
