Ron 10 #51 September 28, 2008 Quote Ok, stick to your anecdotal stories and strawmans, you even drew me into using one. First you tried to act like you had a degree in economics. Quote Clearly everyone was an economics major in college. Then you assumed I had a position that I never once took. Quote So individuals who were not fiscally responsible should not be helped but a systemic failure of banks that had the same problem should be bailed out? High risk asset backed securities like CDOs and their off shoring to hide the risk is more of major issue with our current economy than the person who defaulted on their mortgage when their rates went into orbit. I see a double standard here just because the banks tend to wear a suit. A stance I never took. When I pointed that out, you just ignored the fact I never took that stance. You could apologize for making a false assumption....You could at the very least ADMIT that you did."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 September 28, 2008 Quote What does that make the presidents Reagan and Bush, who each in his turn turn presided over the largest increases in spending unmatched by income in the history of the world? Presidents that were not fiscally responsible. But IMO better choices than the other options. You are barking up the wrong tree here Doc. I support getting out of Iraq since it costs so much and you can't force people to be "free" at the end of a gun barrel. Quote If the guys in the bully pulpit behave as if it's OK to borrow borrow borrow, why are you picking on the little folks who pick up on that behavior instead of on their leaders? Because I believe in personal responsibility. I think that people should strive to make smart choices based on logic not just desire. Just because politicians act stupid...Does not mean you or I should act stupid. Or do you think that since one person does it it should be fine for anyone to do it? Plus, you seem to overlook that the Presidents do not create bills, they can only ask for, sign, or veto bills. Individuals have much less outside influence over their personal finances."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #53 September 28, 2008 Quote You could apologize for making a false assumption....You could at the very least ADMIT that you did. The interwebs is serious business. http://xkcd.com/386/_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #54 September 28, 2008 Quote In Reply To You could apologize for making a false assumption....You could at the very least ADMIT that you did. The interwebs is serious business. http://xkcd.com/386/ So you will not admit you made a false assumption. You will not admit you were not correct, so you want to distract. Got it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #55 September 28, 2008 Quote Quote In Reply To You could apologize for making a false assumption....You could at the very least ADMIT that you did. The interwebs is serious business. http://xkcd.com/386/ So you will not admit you made a false assumption. You will not admit you were not correct, so you want to distract. Got it. Pretty sure my point, which I expounded upon with numbers and an article, covers what I needed to say. Your ability to turn everything into a strawman bores me and I have nothing else to say beyond what I contributed already. Continue to make your own assumptions, it won't bother me._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #56 September 29, 2008 Quote Pretty sure my point, which I expounded upon with numbers and an article, covers what I needed to say. Except you made an accusation about people not having a degree in economics...Which was hypocritical since you don't even have a degree. Then you made an accusation about ME that was wrong. I asked you to retract it, but you were not man enough to even admit you made a false assumption. Then instead of just admitting you were wrong, you tried to distract with a cartoon. But you are correct...there is no point in me having a discussion with someone that is not man enough to admit he made a simple mistake."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #57 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote What does that make the presidents Reagan and Bush, who each in his turn turn presided over the largest increases in spending unmatched by income in the history of the world? Presidents that were not fiscally responsible. But IMO better choices than the other options. You are barking up the wrong tree here Doc. I support getting out of Iraq since it costs so much and you can't force people to be "free" at the end of a gun barrel. Quote If the guys in the bully pulpit behave as if it's OK to borrow borrow borrow, why are you picking on the little folks who pick up on that behavior instead of on their leaders? Because I believe in personal responsibility. I think that people should strive to make smart choices based on logic not just desire. Just because politicians act stupid...Does not mean you or I should act stupid. Or do you think that since one person does it it should be fine for anyone to do it? Plus, you seem to overlook that the Presidents do not create bills, they can only ask for, sign, or veto bills. Please tell us how all these spending bills got past Reagan's and Bush's veto pens. Funny that government spending and deficits correlate extremely well with presidencies, and quite poorly with control of Congress.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #58 September 29, 2008 You really need to get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. Next time I'll do this for you just so you can read my tone: [sarcastic]Clearly everyone was an economics major in college. [/sarcastic] Also, the claim about the myopic POV said it was a culture one, it wasn't aimed towards you. This is something that the MSM has pushed on us via media outlets that are reliant on Wallstreet investor money for advertising. Get it now? Geesh. MY POINT was that the real problem of our country isn't the defaulted loans; it's the system that was created to allow them. That system wasn't made to drive the free market, it was made out of greed. Even with the bailout the CDO market place will still be there. The SPV loophole isn't used anymore but it still used to resell trash multiple times over. This bailout will not change anything. edit: Just an FYI. I've been doing this internet thing since I had my own BBS which is going on nearly 20 years now. I tend to leave the ++reps and internet bickering to the younger generation and instead lean on my education to have conversations. I grew tired of the bullshit arguments long a go. But go ahead and challenge my manhood on the internet, I'm sure to lose sleep over it (hint, that was sarcastic)._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #59 September 29, 2008 http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/09/chicago-tv-in-2000-obama-admits.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #60 September 29, 2008 Quote http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/09/chicago-tv-in-2000-obama-admits.html Late again to the party?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #61 September 29, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html I'm sure that video will be highlighted there soon._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 September 29, 2008 heee haawwww "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 September 29, 2008 Quote Funny that government spending and deficits correlate extremely well with presidencies, and quite poorly with control of Congress. Odd how you blame Congress for the banking issue starting in the 90's, then.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #64 September 29, 2008 Here, try this on for size Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis? Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true. Robert Gordon | April 7, 2008 http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis And Rushmc, if you want a more ethical journalistic story on the rise of Obama, try this: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #65 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote Funny that government spending and deficits correlate extremely well with presidencies, and quite poorly with control of Congress. Odd how you blame Congress for the banking issue starting in the 90's, then. No. I blame greed and mismanagement for that. No-one forced the banks to invest in "securitized" mortgages even though Gramm's bill allowed them to. However, it was a fair attempt at diversion on your part, but not one of your better ones. Government spending, debt and deficits correlate very well with presidencies, and GOP presidencies are the worst. Please tell us how all these big spending bills got past Reagan's and Bush's veto pens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #66 September 29, 2008 Quote You really need to get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. Irony score 10/10 since you made an assumption about me and will not apologize for making it. As you said..."Get it now? Geesh." Just an FYI....You lost, you know it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #67 September 29, 2008 Quote Please tell us how all these spending bills got past Reagan's and Bush's veto pens. Congress can override a Veto you know. Also both party's tack crap onto important bills that would not pass any other way. That should be prevented. Quote Funny that government spending and deficits correlate extremely well with presidencies, and quite poorly with control of Congress. The best always occurs when the House and Senate are controlled by one party and the WH from the other. Anytime all three are the same party it gets out of control. As I said before. Just because politicians act stupid...Does not mean you or I should act stupid. Or do you think that since one person does it it should be fine for anyone to do it?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #68 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote You really need to get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. Irony score 10/10 since you made an assumption about me and will not apologize for making it. As you said..."Get it now? Geesh." Just an FYI....You lost, you know it. Apology? Did your internet ego get bruised when you read the tone of something wrong and thought for even a moment that I cared? My original post wasn't even to you. Hell, I didn't even know you were still on these boards. What assumption did I make of you? I said I didn't care about your anecdotal evidence, and I never will. I wouldn't care if your big toe took out a loan for a new slipper and it made all the payments on time. MY POINT was about the broken financial system and the greed that drove us to this failure point. Somehow you are making this personal and it's making me laugh. MY POINT continues to be on the financial crisis. And if I did lose an argument to you on the internet, tell me, did I really lose anything at all? (hint again, sarcasm)._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #69 September 29, 2008 Quote Are you kidding me? My original post wasn't even to you. This was replied directly to me from you: "So individuals who were not fiscally responsible should not be helped but a systemic failure of banks that had the same problem should be bailed out? High risk asset backed securities like CDOs and their off shoring to hide the risk is more of major issue with our current economy than the person who defaulted on their mortgage when their rates went into orbit. I see a double standard here just because the banks tend to wear a suit. " Quote Hell, I didn't even know you were still on these boards. Busy finishing my degree, getting a new job, moving, building a house, getting engaged...ect. Glad to hear you missed me. <--Sarcasm BTW"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #70 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote Are you kidding me? My original post wasn't even to you. This was replied directly to me from you: heh...paranoia It was a continuation of my original thought to the original post I made....which you replied to. Quote Glad to hear you missed me. Oh ya, can't wait for more redundant misinterpreted posts with multiple quote/replies. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #71 September 29, 2008 Quote heh...paranoia It was a continuation of my original thought to the original post I made....which you replied to. Yeah, you quoted me, but still claim you were not replying to me...Right It is pretty clear you were, it is pretty clear that you made a false assumption, and it is pretty clear you will not admit you did any of it. Like I said...Nice to know you will stand up and admit when you are wrong "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #72 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote heh...paranoia It was a continuation of my original thought to the original post I made....which you replied to. Yeah, you quoted me, but still claim you were not replying to me...Right It is pretty clear you were, it is pretty clear that you made a false assumption, and it is pretty clear you will not admit you did any of it. Like I said...Nice to know you will stand up and admit when you are wrong OMG I NEED THE LAST WORD ON THE INTERWEBS. LOL Ok, sure whatever, think what you want and reply to this with some snarky comment again. Hey, about that financial crisis. Anyone actually read the CDO stuff I posted?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #73 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote Quote heh...paranoia It was a continuation of my original thought to the original post I made....which you replied to. Yeah, you quoted me, but still claim you were not replying to me...Right It is pretty clear you were, it is pretty clear that you made a false assumption, and it is pretty clear you will not admit you did any of it. Like I said...Nice to know you will stand up and admit when you are wrong OMG I NEED THE LAST WORD ON THE INTERWEBS. LOL Ok, sure whatever, think what you want and reply to this with some snarky comment again. Hey, about that financial crisis. Anyone actually read the CDO stuff I posted? The one about Obama was funnyI needed soap and a towel to get the surgar off"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #74 September 29, 2008 Quote Quote Please tell us how all these spending bills got past Reagan's and Bush's veto pens. Congress can override a Veto you know. OK, HOW MANY TIMES did the GOP controlled Congress override a Bush veto, at the time when government spending was increasing at a historically high rate and deficits first reached record levels? The answer is easy to find.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #75 September 29, 2008 Just because politicians act stupid...Does not mean you or I should act stupid? You never answered this one."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
