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QuoteWTF??? Since when is self-defense execution?
No one said anything about shooting anyone in self defense. You proposed preemptive execution, shooting a "rapist" before he/she rapes.
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QuoteQuoteWTF??? Since when is self-defense execution?
No one said anything about shooting anyone in self defense. You proposed preemptive execution, shooting a "rapist" before he/she rapes.
He didn't specify who would be doing the shooting. At first I read it the way you did, but on review it makes more sense that he was referring to would-be victims.
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kallend 2,030
QuoteThis article is so absurd there is no word to describe it. Tell me any Mayor, Governor, or President in history that it has been assumed that he or she endorses every law on the books during their time in office. The report never mentioned Wasilla, so this was obviously a statewide issue. To say that she even knew of this policy of the police dept just because she appointed the cheif is a stretch beyond my comprehension. In that town it may have never come up, and I'm curious if there was ever a scenario where a rape victim was forced to pay for the testing in Wasilla during Palin's term as Mayor.
Now if she ever fought the bill to throw out this ridiculous law in the first place, then you can easily make that statement. However that's not the case and this is one of the worst stretches on any attack ad I've ever seen. How about we start picking thru books to find some strange policy on the books during Biden's or Obama's leadership roles during any part of their political careers and say that they must have endorsed it if they were the mayor.
It's a stretch beyond my imagination that a mayor who micromanaged the Wasilla public library would not know what her police chief in a town of only 6000 was doing.
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Braz933 0
So far, the following things seem to be undisputed:
1) There have been no cases in Wasila in which a victim was actually billed.
2) This law about billing victims was passed at the STATE level, by the STATE Governor.
3) This law is beyond grotesque.
I don't think it is fair to attack ANY Mayor over decisions made at the STATE level.
Seems to me the blame lies at the STATE level. That being said, I would like to hear a direct response from Palin as to her opinion on this vile law.
1) There have been no cases in Wasila in which a victim was actually billed.
2) This law about billing victims was passed at the STATE level, by the STATE Governor.
3) This law is beyond grotesque.
I don't think it is fair to attack ANY Mayor over decisions made at the STATE level.
Seems to me the blame lies at the STATE level. That being said, I would like to hear a direct response from Palin as to her opinion on this vile law.
QuoteSo far, the following things seem to be undisputed:
1) There have been no cases in Wasila in which a victim was actually billed.
2) This law about billing victims was passed at the STATE level, by the STATE Governor.
3) This law is beyond grotesque.
I don't think it is fair to attack ANY Mayor over decisions made at the STATE level.
EXACTLY!!
Especially for blaming a mayor for a state issue.
If Palin comes out says anything to the extent that she supports this grotesque law, then I'll be the first to eat crow.
Andy9o8 2
>>So far, the following things seem to be undisputed:
>>1) There have been no cases in Wasila in which a victim was actually billed.
I don't think that's correct. From what I've read so far, I think there were specific complaints about women being billed by Wasilla. For example, here's an article from the Wasilla area local newspaper:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt
And from the Anchorage Daily News:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/523708.html
>>2) This law about billing victims was passed at the STATE level, by the STATE Governor.
Well, the CORRECTIVE legislation (prohibiting municipalities from billing victims) was at the state level, naturally, because state law always preempts a municipality's regulations and ordinances. Prior to the state legislation, each municipality was at liberty to do as it wished on this subject. From all the articles available thru a Google search, it seems as though Wasilla stood out as being particularly egregious, even when specifically asked to stop the practice.
>>3) This law is beyond grotesque.
Do you mean the CORRECTIVE legislation, or the victim-billing practice the legislation was passed to prohibit?
>>I don't think it is fair to attack ANY Mayor over decisions made at the STATE level.
See above. The problem was at the municipal level; the corrective legislation was passed by the state legislature.
>>>Seems to me the blame lies at the STATE level. That being said, I would like to hear a direct response from Palin as to her opinion on this vile law.
Again: see above.
>>1) There have been no cases in Wasila in which a victim was actually billed.
I don't think that's correct. From what I've read so far, I think there were specific complaints about women being billed by Wasilla. For example, here's an article from the Wasilla area local newspaper:
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt
And from the Anchorage Daily News:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/523708.html
>>2) This law about billing victims was passed at the STATE level, by the STATE Governor.
Well, the CORRECTIVE legislation (prohibiting municipalities from billing victims) was at the state level, naturally, because state law always preempts a municipality's regulations and ordinances. Prior to the state legislation, each municipality was at liberty to do as it wished on this subject. From all the articles available thru a Google search, it seems as though Wasilla stood out as being particularly egregious, even when specifically asked to stop the practice.
>>3) This law is beyond grotesque.
Do you mean the CORRECTIVE legislation, or the victim-billing practice the legislation was passed to prohibit?
>>I don't think it is fair to attack ANY Mayor over decisions made at the STATE level.
See above. The problem was at the municipal level; the corrective legislation was passed by the state legislature.
>>>Seems to me the blame lies at the STATE level. That being said, I would like to hear a direct response from Palin as to her opinion on this vile law.
Again: see above.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWell, check out the GOP 2008 party platform, that's in writing.
"We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children."
NO exceptions for rape and incest.
*yawn*
Hard to deny your own party's published platform, isn't it, even if you deny Sarah's video statement where she says the exact same thing.
Do you think rapists should be allowed to select the mothers of their children, like Sarah does?
Again - show me the bills with her signature - THEN I'll worry about it
it's an easy question - YOU CAN DO IT!
Do you think rapists should have the right to select the (involuntary) mothers of their children? Yes or No, Mike?
It is a stupid, misleading and poorly framed question. So I KNOW you thought of it yourself! With out any help (for a change)"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteYour ad hominem attack neither impresses me nor improves your argument.
Provide the proof.
Compare the amount Wasilla's (then) police chief estimated the new legislation would cost with the amount in your attached document. Why don't they come close to matching?QuoteSo what? If Wasilia was such a problem, why didn't Croft mention it along with Anchorage in the meeting?
All you have is suspicion and rumor - if you want to convince me (or anyone), show me some PROOF.
Only suspicion and rumor? You must have missed the part in the cited article where Croft explicitly stated that Wasilla's policy was among the motivator's to propose the bill. We have zero reason to believe that Wasilla would have or should have been mentioned in the minutes, despite being a reason for the legislation. Your demand for documented proof why the city wasn't mentioned is absurd.
Much of what is posted about this is true. The context however is highly suspect and misleading. You know, normal politics.
The law was there already when Palin became Mayor.
The fact that the drive bys are not reporting much on it says the most .........
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think rapists should be shot before they ever get their pants down.
So you believe that we should execute people with only suspicion that they'll commit a crime? I guess that demonstrates how little value you recognize in the Constitution.
It's cognitive dissonance because he can't bring himself to acknowledge Palin's true positions.
Confusing comments with legislature again, Professor?
Are you really claiming that Palin is a liar? That the GOP platform is a pack of lies?
kettle? pot kettle? pot, kettle? pot
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,030
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think rapists should be shot before they ever get their pants down.
So you believe that we should execute people with only suspicion that they'll commit a crime? I guess that demonstrates how little value you recognize in the Constitution.
It's cognitive dissonance because he can't bring himself to acknowledge Palin's true positions.
Confusing comments with legislature again, Professor?
Are you really claiming that Palin is a liar? That the GOP platform is a pack of lies?
kettle? pot kettle? pot, kettle? pot
Name calling suggests you have nothing useful to add.
Palin said in a recorded interview (to which I have provided links) that she supports a constitutional change to make abortions illegal for rape and incest victims.
The 2008 GOP platform has exactly the same thing written in it.
Mike seems to be in denial. Are you?
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think rapists should be shot before they ever get their pants down.
So you believe that we should execute people with only suspicion that they'll commit a crime? I guess that demonstrates how little value you recognize in the Constitution.
It's cognitive dissonance because he can't bring himself to acknowledge Palin's true positions.
Confusing comments with legislature again, Professor?
Are you really claiming that Palin is a liar? That the GOP platform is a pack of lies?
kettle? pot kettle? pot, kettle? pot
Name calling suggests you have nothing useful to add.
Palin said in a recorded interview (to which I have provided links) that she supports a constitutional change to make abortions illegal for rape and incest victims.
The 2008 GOP platform has exactly the same thing written in it.
Mike seems to be in denial. Are you?
OK, so are we talking about the rape kits? Are we going to talk about the Republican platform? You going to talk about Alaska and cities laws or policies?
Your debate style is change the supject so you cant ever get caught. You want another thread about a differnt topic? Starte one. This one is about Palin and rape kits.. You ran out of gas on that one so (as per normal) you redirect.
Childish.
As for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,030
QuoteQuoteQuoteYour ad hominem attack neither impresses me nor improves your argument.
Provide the proof.
Compare the amount Wasilla's (then) police chief estimated the new legislation would cost with the amount in your attached document. Why don't they come close to matching?QuoteSo what? If Wasilia was such a problem, why didn't Croft mention it along with Anchorage in the meeting?
All you have is suspicion and rumor - if you want to convince me (or anyone), show me some PROOF.
Only suspicion and rumor? You must have missed the part in the cited article where Croft explicitly stated that Wasilla's policy was among the motivator's to propose the bill. We have zero reason to believe that Wasilla would have or should have been mentioned in the minutes, despite being a reason for the legislation. Your demand for documented proof why the city wasn't mentioned is absurd.
Much of what is posted about this is true. The context however is highly suspect and misleading. You know, normal politics.
The law was there already when Palin became Mayor.
The fact that the drive bys are not reporting much on it says the most .........
From Anchorage Daily News:
The bill passed the Legislature over the objections of Wasilla police chief Charlie Fannon, who said it would require the city to come up with more money to cover the costs of buying the rape kits and doing the exams.
Fannon was Palin's appointee. She already fired his predecessor for going against her. So how likely is it that Fannon opposed the legislation without Palin's go-ahead?
US News reports that Wasilla started charging for rape kits in 1998, when Palin was ALREADY mayor.
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Amazon 7
QuoteAs for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
Nice to know you are yet another similarly ill informed rePUBICan voter who does not know what they are voting for.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYour ad hominem attack neither impresses me nor improves your argument.
Provide the proof.
Compare the amount Wasilla's (then) police chief estimated the new legislation would cost with the amount in your attached document. Why don't they come close to matching?QuoteSo what? If Wasilia was such a problem, why didn't Croft mention it along with Anchorage in the meeting?
All you have is suspicion and rumor - if you want to convince me (or anyone), show me some PROOF.
Only suspicion and rumor? You must have missed the part in the cited article where Croft explicitly stated that Wasilla's policy was among the motivator's to propose the bill. We have zero reason to believe that Wasilla would have or should have been mentioned in the minutes, despite being a reason for the legislation. Your demand for documented proof why the city wasn't mentioned is absurd.
Much of what is posted about this is true. The context however is highly suspect and misleading. You know, normal politics.
The law was there already when Palin became Mayor.
The fact that the drive bys are not reporting much on it says the most .........
From Anchorage Daily News:
The bill passed the Legislature over the objections of Wasilla police chief Charlie Fannon, who said it would require the city to come up with more money to cover the costs of buying the rape kits and doing the exams.
Fannon was Palin's appointee. She already fired his predecessor for going against her. So how likely is it that Fannon opposed the legislation without Palin's go-ahead?
US News reports that Wasilla started charging for rape kits in 1998, when Palin was ALREADY mayor.
You are one desperate lefty arent you?
kallnd, this is just the kind of stuff when others post you blast away at
When you find something important come back
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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kallnd, this is just the kind of stuff when others post you blast away at
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What??
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kallend 2,030
Quote
OK, so are we talking about the rape kits? Are we going to talk about the Republican platform? You going to talk about Alaska and cities laws or policies?
Your debate style is change the supject so you cant ever get caught. You want another thread about a differnt topic? Starte one. This one is about Palin and rape kits.. You ran out of gas on that one so (as per normal) you redirect.
If you paid attention you would know that the abortion for rape victims issue was first brought up in this thread by mnealtx, not by me.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3346984#3346984
Not that I expect you to pay attention.
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Childish.
As for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
Maybe, as a devout Replican, you should look it up before voting for the Replicans.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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kallend 2,030
QuoteQuote
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kallnd, this is just the kind of stuff when others post you blast away at
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What??
Apparently he finds rape a laughing matter, and unimportant.
Must be a Republican thing:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhy8bKih8gg
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
OK, so are we talking about the rape kits? Are we going to talk about the Republican platform? You going to talk about Alaska and cities laws or policies?
Your debate style is change the supject so you cant ever get caught. You want another thread about a differnt topic? Starte one. This one is about Palin and rape kits.. You ran out of gas on that one so (as per normal) you redirect.
If you paid attention you would know that the abortion for rape victims issue was first brought up in this thread by mnealtx, not by me.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3346984#3346984
Not that I expect you to pay attention.Quote
Childish.
As for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
Maybe, as a devout Replican, you should look it up before voting for the Replicans.
If that is what you are worred about (I did notice your still off topic) then the R's got you lefties beet 1000 to 1.
Besides, I dont claim to be a Repulican. Never have.
Now I will wait to see what other false claims you make......
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,030
QuoteQuoteQuote
OK, so are we talking about the rape kits? Are we going to talk about the Republican platform? You going to talk about Alaska and cities laws or policies?
Your debate style is change the supject so you cant ever get caught. You want another thread about a differnt topic? Starte one. This one is about Palin and rape kits.. You ran out of gas on that one so (as per normal) you redirect.
If you paid attention you would know that the abortion for rape victims issue was first brought up in this thread by mnealtx, not by me.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3346984#3346984
Not that I expect you to pay attention.Quote
Childish.
As for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
Maybe, as a devout Replican, you should look it up before voting for the Replicans.
If that is what you are worred about (I did notice your still off topic) then the R's got you lefties beet 1000 to 1.
Besides, I dont claim to be a Repulican. Never have.
Now I will wait to see what other false claims you make......
So without reading the Republican platform, you are prepared to call me a liar for quoting its contents. Fascinating debating tactic.
And make up your mind! Is it Replican or Repulican?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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funjumper101 15
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
OK, so are we talking about the rape kits? Are we going to talk about the Republican platform? You going to talk about Alaska and cities laws or policies?
Your debate style is change the supject so you cant ever get caught. You want another thread about a differnt topic? Starte one. This one is about Palin and rape kits.. You ran out of gas on that one so (as per normal) you redirect.
If you paid attention you would know that the abortion for rape victims issue was first brought up in this thread by mnealtx, not by me.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3346984#3346984
Not that I expect you to pay attention.Quote
Childish.
As for the Replican platorm? I dont know cause I will have to take your word on it (for now) that that is what it says.
Maybe, as a devout Replican, you should look it up before voting for the Replicans.
If that is what you are worred about (I did notice your still off topic) then the R's got you lefties beet 1000 to 1.
Besides, I dont claim to be a Repulican. Never have.
Now I will wait to see what other false claims you make......
So without reading the Republican platform, you are prepared to call me a liar for quoting its contents. Fascinating debating tactic.
And make up your mind! Is it Replican or Repulican?
Isn't it kind of mean to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person?
Just askin'
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html
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Braz933 0
The Huffington Post article says...
"Starting with the last budget under Mayor John Stein, the FY97 budget (July 1, 1996-June 30, 1997), the line item explanations became less detailed, with the explanation for the "contractual services" line item for several departments combined into one. The explanation reads "Contractual Services/General-medical testing, road maintenance, equipment rental, airport snow removal."
It is likely that Palin did not realize "general medical testing" included rape kits.
"Starting with the last budget under Mayor John Stein, the FY97 budget (July 1, 1996-June 30, 1997), the line item explanations became less detailed, with the explanation for the "contractual services" line item for several departments combined into one. The explanation reads "Contractual Services/General-medical testing, road maintenance, equipment rental, airport snow removal."
It is likely that Palin did not realize "general medical testing" included rape kits.
What a convenient twist to add to make your point in the article. Wonderful, unbiased journalism this is! When no where in the meeting notes for the bill being passed http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_single_minute.asp?session=21&beg_line=0603&end_line=0887&time=1503&date=20000323&comm=HES&house=H is Wasilla even mentioned.
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