quade 4 #51 October 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteLet's just agree that they are all corrupt in some fashion or another. Just like we are all human and make mistakes too. That set aside, who is going to make things worse and who is going to have a chance at making things better? I think at the very least from current history, we need a change in the status quo. I couldn't agree more with you. All the more reason to vote for the GOP ticket. Please see attached.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #52 October 2, 2008 QuoteCould you translate that please? Having trouble with English? I know Spanish is pretty much the predominant language in Florida now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #53 October 2, 2008 Quote Point being I don't want a socialist country. Thanks! You're stuck with it regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans win. Defense spending and the Wall Street bailout are both huge Socialist programs. Bush 43's discretionary non-defense spending increases eclipsed Carter and Clinton's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #54 October 2, 2008 QuoteWe already have a HUGELY socialized government; we just don't call it that. I completely agree!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #55 October 2, 2008 Stick your head in the sand all you want....www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #56 October 2, 2008 >Stick your head in the sand all you want.... Out of intelligent arguments so soon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ASTKU 1 #57 October 2, 2008 DITTO #3.....CAN'T DO IT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #58 October 2, 2008 Quote >Stick your head in the sand all you want.... Out of intelligent arguments so soon? You know that's one hell of a compliment that you think any of my arguments are intelligent. But yeah there's is no point in arguing this anymore. The level of denial here is astounding. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #59 October 2, 2008 Huffington Post? Fortune magazine....hardly "fair and balanced" sources."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #60 October 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteLet's just agree that they are all corrupt in some fashion or another. Just like we are all human and make mistakes too. That set aside, who is going to make things worse and who is going to have a chance at making things better? I think at the very least from current history, we need a change in the status quo. I couldn't agree more with you. All the more reason to vote for the GOP ticket. Please see attached. Deny it all you want, but the two on the GOP ticket are the only ones that have actually demonstrated that they BOTH will do what is right, not simply follow the party line. BO and JB have NEVER went against the party line. You want status quo, put them in office. You want REAL change, get maverick McCain in."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #61 October 2, 2008 > The level of denial here is astounding. Of course. And given that most of the accusations thrown by both sides are false, it's a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #62 October 2, 2008 > but the two on the GOP ticket are the only ones that have actually >demonstrated that they BOTH will do what is right . . . So let me get this straight. Getting hundreds of millions in earmarks to build a Bridge to Nowhere - and then not giving the money back when Congress cancels the project - is the right thing to do? Voting for a 850 billion dollar corporate bailout bill is the right thing to do? Choosing one of the architects of the economic collapse as your senior economic adviser is the right thing to do? Claiming to "suspend your campaign" to solve a big problem - and then neither suspending it nor solving the problem - is the right thing to do? There's no doubt a lot of people have made a lot of mistakes lately, and neither Obama nor McCain have consistently done "what is right." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #63 October 2, 2008 No, just your version of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #64 October 2, 2008 Quote> but the two on the GOP ticket are the only ones that have actually >demonstrated that they BOTH will do what is right . . . So let me get this straight. Getting hundreds of millions in earmarks to build a Bridge to Nowhere - and then not giving the money back when Congress cancels the project - is the right thing to do? Voting for a 850 billion dollar corporate bailout bill is the right thing to do? Choosing one of the architects of the economic collapse as your senior economic adviser is the right thing to do? Claiming to "suspend your campaign" to solve a big problem - and then neither suspending it nor solving the problem - is the right thing to do? There's no doubt a lot of people have made a lot of mistakes lately, and neither Obama nor McCain have consistently done "what is right." I agree that neither have consistently done "what is right". Obama says, "Vote for me for change." The only change he will really bring is his color and his inexperience. As far as the bridge, do you really think there is any political leader that would give the money back? She did nothing to get the 'pork' for AK. I noticed that all three of the senators in this race voted for the bailout."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #65 October 2, 2008 > Obama says, "Vote for me for change." The only change he will really bring >is his color and his inexperience. Well, if he continues doing exactly what he has done in the senate, it will certainly be more of a change than McCain (compared to the current president.) But I do agree that far more will remain the same than will change. >As far as the bridge, do you really think there is any political leader that would give the money back? No! Indeed, one could argue that a "good" governor would fight over every earmark tooth and nail for the citizens of Alaska. Had she not claimed she was against earmarks, that would have been a point in her favor. >She did nothing to get the 'pork' for AK. She actually fought quite hard for AK earmarks. There are notes in her own handwriting congratulating her team for getting such earmarks. (The quote is on a report of earmarks for Wasilla; she added in her own hand "FYI This does not include our nearly one million Dollars from the Feds for our Airport Paving Project. We did well!!!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #66 October 2, 2008 QuoteShe actually fought quite hard for AK earmarks. There are notes in her own handwriting congratulating her team for getting such earmarks. (The quote is on a report of earmarks for Wasilla; she added in her own hand "FYI This does not include our nearly one million Dollars from the Feds for our Airport Paving Project. We did well!!!") She did reduce AK's total earmark requests by 30%.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #67 October 2, 2008 >She did reduce AK's total earmark requests by 30%. Yes, she did. You could say "she reduced them by 30%" or "she only requested $198 million in earmarks last year." And again, if the McCain campaign was claiming that some earmarks were OK, then it would be a non-issue. But they're not. When asked if Palin sought earmarks, he said "No, not as governor she didn't." Palin herself said she was against earmarks. Had she said "I plan to cut earmarks a bit, like I did in Alaska" then no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerRoo 0 #68 October 2, 2008 nope cant vote for obama either (I.C.D#2 VP) "<3 ..Looks like breasts coming out of an ice cream cone. Mmmm."~John Mitchell "I'm good with my purple penis straw" ~sky mama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #69 October 2, 2008 I love this thread. SO telling.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #70 October 2, 2008 Wow is it getting too boring in Bonfire. We're seeing some unusual faces today. Oh and Billvon...fair enough and touche. What do you think about Obama's hypocrisy on equal pay for women?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #71 October 2, 2008 I've posted here in recent months (years? haven't done the math) more often than Bonfire. It's not so much "boring" as predictable in either forum. Synonymous. Still, I like to play once in a while. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #72 October 2, 2008 >What do you think about Obama's hypocrisy on equal pay for women? That's a "are you still beating your wife?" question. Do you have a specific question that does not contain its own answer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #73 October 3, 2008 Never. His policies and beliefs are counter to my own. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #74 October 3, 2008 Quote Quote But, but, but...... he got a BJ and lied about it.. I have no problem with the BJ, I have a problem with Purjury. And so you hate Bush for commuting Libby for the same, right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, I really believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #75 October 3, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We already have a HUGELY socialized government; we just don't call it that. Not even close. W/o uni healthcare, the cornerstone of Socialism, you can't even bring that in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
