Lucky... 0 #76 October 3, 2008 Quote I don't see an independent having a chance with our current structure of election. Now if the popular vote were to be worth anything.... Even then wouldn't matter. Perot got 19% of pop vote, 0 electoral votes, still, 19% not even close. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #77 October 3, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>If I had my way I'd be voting for Abe Lincoln. That said, he's not really an option either. I dunno, he's only a 1 term guy, so he can still run. I would vote for Eisenhower if he were allowed and kickin. Obviously dead and a 2-term guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #78 October 3, 2008 QuoteAfter 8 years of a Republican running the country completely into the ground.....why would anybody want to give the Republican party another 4 years at the helm? To finish running us into the ground, so we can be in a full-on depressiona nd then get 6 or 8 terms of Dems...... stupid it has to work that way..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #79 October 3, 2008 ummm....yea. What I said... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #80 October 3, 2008 No.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 October 3, 2008 Same empty rhetoric from both sides - more bread and circuses, with the usual weighting toward the Dem side.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #82 October 3, 2008 QuotePlease vote for Obama this forum is filled with closed minded, gun tot'n, right wingers. don't be alarmed by the negative responses you will get. if america is ready to move forward, Obama will be elected, but the republicans may do a Mugabe manoever and tweak the polls ahain? who knows. One thing is for sure, this world is in serious trouble if the repubicans get in again. fucking sad really."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #83 October 3, 2008 Quote One thing is for sure, this world is in serious trouble if the repubicans get in again. fucking sad really. Oh yeah, Obama and Pelosi, now there is a winning combination that will help our country...................NOT!!!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #84 October 3, 2008 Quite funny really how they quickly forget what they themselves have voted for. As if the Republicans had the power and ability to pull a huge magic trick and enact legislation all on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #85 October 3, 2008 Quote Quote Point being I don't want a socialist country. Thanks! You're stuck with it regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans win. Defense spending and the Wall Street bailout are both huge Socialist programs. Bush 43's discretionary non-defense spending increases eclipsed Carter and Clinton's. True ... and at the same time I'd disagree on a strict definitional basis. One could argue that defense spending (will limit my response to that area since it's easier & it's the one to which I can speak write more authoritatively) does concentrate capital into the 'hands' of a few 'elite' companies (Lockheed, NG, GD, etc); small business -- however important for those businesses -- are <5% of direct USG contracts. The administration and execution of the programs funded is not totally/formally state controlled, i.e., not socialist. And if discretionary funding is curtailed, those companies and the people who they employ would be severely impacted. Every year the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) Statistical Information Analysis Division (SIAD) issues DoD PERSONNEL & PROCUREMENT STATISTICS that includes the 100 Companies Receiving The Largest Dollar Volume Of Prime Contract Awards. It’s usually a year or behind (to map execution to request & appropriation); the most recent available on the site that doesn’t require registration is FY06. There are a lot of privately held and publically traded companies that receive large amounts of money from DoD & the USG. The top 10 are Lockheed Martin ($26.6B high), Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Halliburton, L-3, (UK’s) BAE (nee British Aerospace), United Technologies, SAIC ($3.2B low of top 10). Some of those (e.g., SAIC) are built on a business model of securing USG contracts. It’s not an anti-Halliburton "rant" – it’s just reality. There are a lot of private companies – large & small – that depend on US discretionary spending. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #86 October 3, 2008 guess I an a ditto head..no to sadam barack obama59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 October 3, 2008 Quotesadam barack obama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #88 October 3, 2008 http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/ might want to re think Obama There is more than just McCain and Obama to vote for too. Check out Bob BarrDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #89 October 3, 2008 The problem is most of you seeing nothing else but "our country" stuff during elections. The reality is the US has the most influence over the whole world including all aspects like economic, political, and military. My Hungarian vote doesn't make any difference for the US when I vote in Hungary, but an American vote makes a major difference for the whole world. Unfortunately I don't have (neither any non US citizens) the "birth privilege" to vote here in America and weight in for the fate whole world. So American voters (who actually have a birth given right to vote, except the naturalized citizens who earn the right) should consider not only for their own interest but rather the whole world interest. "Act locally think globally" I truly believe that McCain/Palin team is maybe good for certain interest in the US, but definitely NO GOOD for the rest of the world. Their agenda to extend and keep carrying the fucked up Bush/Cheney foreign policy is scary. We all know that the US isn't the most popular country in the world since those (Bush/Cheny) took office. The Obama/Biden combo is a lot better choice. Planet Earth (the world) isn't equal “USA only” not even if history made America a most powerful country. I don't think a lady like Sarah Palin (who first traveled outside of the US a year ago) should go even close to the White House and try to make decisions over the whole world what she has a very little knowledge about. The best description of the current Bush Administration’s policy is: "Us, democratically elected government try to dictate the rest of the world". MacCain/Palin agenga has no any indication to change that. They want to “WIN A WAR” instead of making peace. They want drill for more oil instead of investing alternative energy technologies while it’s known for more than 100 years (yes for that long) no carbon based energy source can be used in a long run. (please see Nikola Tesla and other inventors and scientist work) That is bad… The Obama/Biden, Pelosi people have a lot better view over this issue. They try to talk and negotiate with the rest of the world rather than just dictate it. So far we all have to live on this planet, but not all of us have the same right to vote for its fate. So those who eligible to cast a vote here in America please don’t ignore the world’s interest over your own local interest because it will come back to you one day. And maybe that day there will be no more interest left to support because no Planet Earth left in a livable form. But what a fuck do I know…??? I heard communist dictators to speak on the stage, but I had a chance to vote in a democratic country as well. I traveled to different countries and I saw wars and conflicts (like Romania, Yugoslavia/Bosnia), I speak more than one language, and yes I do have military service too! I can point out any country on the world map and know world history. (I listed these things about me not as a show off but as some proof of having clue about what I’m saying) Does a McCain/Palin voter in middle of Kansas have the same experience before casting a vote which has effect on the whole world? -Laszlo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #90 October 3, 2008 QuoteThe Obama/Biden, Pelosi people have a lot better view over this issue. Thank you, that combination right there will make me work even harder to make sure McCain/Palin get voted in. Obama/Pelosi is the scariest combination you could ever have!!! You do know that Pelosi’s approval rating is at like 10%?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #91 October 3, 2008 > Obama/Pelosi is the scariest combination you could ever have! Good thing they're not an option then, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #92 October 3, 2008 QuoteGood thing they're not an option then, eh?But they are if he gets elected! If the thought of Obama as President and Pelosi as speaker doesn't scare the hell out of you I don't know what will.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #93 October 3, 2008 >But they are if he gets elected! ?? No. If Biden dies, Obama appoints a new VP. There will not be a realistic scenario where Pelosi enters the executive with Obama. (Unless you just mean "they will be in the same governemnt together." If that's the case, I am far more worried about Ted "the Internets pipes" Stevens and Palin joining forces for the next set of bridges to nowhere.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #94 October 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteGood thing they're not an option then, eh?But they are if he gets elected! If the thought of Obama as President and Pelosi as speaker doesn't scare the hell out of you I don't know what will. Obama as President, Pelosi as Speaker, and Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader...That's what scares the hell out of me..."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #95 October 3, 2008 You're right that stuff on Youtube most be true, because the video shows it. Am I right??? But whats the source of that video? People believed the popcorn cell phone trick too which was pretty retarded. (even if I think cell phones actually can have effect on a human brain). Do you really believe if Obama had a dirrect tie with some extremist terroist group (a group claimed to carry out actual bombing on US soil) could make it this far??? Then how come the super vigilant, most anti terrorist, best defense expert Bush administration didn't send him to Gitmo yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #96 October 3, 2008 QuoteObama/Pelosi is the scariest combination you could ever have!!! You do know that Pelosi’s approval rating is at like 10%? What's her approval rating within her district? and what's Bush's approval rating within her district? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #97 October 3, 2008 Obama get assasinated - some herre seem to think that possible or likely...Biden strokes on us....and then? No and then! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #98 October 3, 2008 >Obama get assasinated - some herre seem to think that possible >or likely...Biden strokes on us....and then? No and then! IF that happens before Biden appoints a new VP, then Pelosi could well become President. If that happens, feel free to head up to Canada, where you won't be afraid any more. (Or Iran, if you prefer a more theistically-oriented strong leader.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #99 October 3, 2008 Quote What's her approval rating within her district? 20% Quote and what's Bush's approval rating within her district? Don't know and who cares, he is out of here in a couple of months. But, under Pelosi's leadership the democratic lead house has a 9% approval rating. I encourage you to research about her. Anybody that thinks Obama is bad hasn’t read about Pelosi.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #100 October 3, 2008 Quote If that happens, feel free to head up to Canada, where you won't be afraid any more. (Or Iran, if you prefer a more theistically-oriented strong leader.) Nah, I prefer the Caribbean. The rum is better and the weather is warmer.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
