normiss 806 #76 October 3, 2008 A lot of what you have expressed here has come from private industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #77 October 3, 2008 >but I'm refferring to Washington D.C. not technology. Sorry, when you said "look at where we are today as a country" I thought you meant more than DC. My mistake. >And don't take this as if I have anything against super smart people >because I don't. Fair enough - just realize that you have just defined the "intellectual elite." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #78 October 3, 2008 >A lot of what you have expressed here has come from private industry. Absolutely. The intellectual elite often end up there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #79 October 3, 2008 Quote What I like most about Palin is that she is, admittedly and proudly, not part of the Washington "machine". I was surprised to hear Bidin admit that he'd changed on some issues depending on his political standing. Good for him for being honest. Joe Bidin also said that as VP he would give Obama his best advice, but its his job to support Obama, and he is not the President, Obama is. To me, thats like saying "I'm not fucking this cat, I'm just holding the tail". Palin's cheesy lines, "Joe Six Pack" and "golly gee", are just part of her personality. Heaven forbid a government official have any sort of personality. There are Washington "machines" everywhere, Anybody who seeks political office has to play the game. Don't you think that she is a big part of the the Alaska political "machine"? Its simple really, the boss is the president. Of course his cabinet will surround him and give him advice but the decisions he makes must be his alone.Her cheesy lines are part of her political personality. The hockey mom routine is a little annoying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #80 October 3, 2008 QuotePeople see a person who is one of them as someone who understands who the people are. True, but I personally don't relate to Palin as someone similar to myself. I probably relate more to Obama and Biden, though I don't really relate to any of the candidates on that level. Their lives all seem to be vastly different from my own. So when she uses her "one of us" line, I just assume she's talking to someone other than me. Which is fine; I'm obviously not the vote she's looking for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #81 October 3, 2008 Quote Fair enough - just realize that you have just defined the "intellectual elite." On the contrary...you did actually. Quote True. In 1787, the intellectual elite of the country wrote us a pretty important document, one we still abide by. In 1791 they added a very important bill to it. They have given us airplanes, spacecraft, the Internet, lasers, transistors, telephones and lightbulbs. They've given us vaccines, surgery, roads and cars from model-T's to the Tesla. Without them you wouldn't be able to waste hours of time here posting, nor be able to decide to skydive instead. We owe them quite a bit; they have indeed gotten us to where we are today. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #82 October 3, 2008 QuoteQuotePeople see a person who is one of them as someone who understands who the people are. True, but I personally don't relate to Palin as someone similar to myself. I probably relate more to Obama and Biden, though I don't really relate to any of the candidates on that level. Their lives all seem to be vastly different from my own. So when she uses her "one of us" line, I just assume she's talking to someone other than me. Which is fine; I'm obviously not the vote she's looking for. I'd really be interested to hear more about how you relate to Obama and Biden out of curiosity. Personally I relate the most to McCain due to him being a veteran.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #83 October 3, 2008 Agreed..... the intellectuals have taken us far but the intellectual "elite" have done nothing but cause us pain! GOP or dems!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #84 October 3, 2008 What is annoying is people in power not looking for what is best for the people and trying to turn the US into a socialist nation. That is something we should not be and not what the country was founded on! Ask anyone who has lived in a socialist country if it works.... the answer will always be no unless you happen to be in power.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #85 October 3, 2008 >the intellectuals have taken us far but the intellectual "elite" have done >nothing but cause us pain! The intellectual elite are the best of the intellectuals. People like Einstein, Edison, Teller, Feynmann, Schottky etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #86 October 3, 2008 I disagree...... take the phrase literally and yes thats what it means but not in the context that we are applying it to Obama and you know that. He is arrogant and his past is riddled with bad votes and shady dealings to get where he is. Sure a lot of politicians pasts are but there have been teams trying to dig up dirt on Palin and it simply is not there. She is getting no chance. The interviews that were done especially with Couric.... what a joke! A two hour interview condensed and edited to 15-20 minutes. If I interviewed anyone and did that I could make you look however I wanted you to look.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #87 October 3, 2008 have fun all..... im heading to the DZLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #88 October 3, 2008 QuoteThe hockey mom routine is a little annoying. Puck Gov Failin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #89 October 3, 2008 Quote Quote The hockey mom routine is a little annoying. Puck Gov Failin What is it with the name calling? Didn't you shake your head at someone for calling Obama Saddam? Do you live in a glass house?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #90 October 3, 2008 >take the phrase literally and yes thats what it means but not in the >context that we are applying it to Obama and you know that. "Intellectual elites" are the best of the intellectuals. I realize that some conservatives are trying to make that into a dirty word so they can use it as an insult, but it doesn't change things. Words mean things, and intellectual elite means someone who is the smartest of the smart. > He is arrogant and his past is riddled with bad votes and shady >dealings to get where he is. Yep - as is McCain. >Sure a lot of politicians pasts are but there have been teams trying to dig >up dirt on Palin and it simply is not there. The dirt's certainly there. She lied about earmarks and there is an ethics investigation into her dealings while Governor. (And no, you can't blame that on the evil Obama-ites; it began before she was named as the VP pick, and one of the people on the investigation is a republican from Wasilla.) But it's not all that significant in the big scheme of things. > She is getting no chance. She has been given more of a chance than any other candidate would have been given. She was asked questions in interviews - and when she didn't know the answer, the interviewer was accused of being biased. She was involved in a major debate, and everyone treated her as fragile. No tough questions, no criticisms of her. >The interviews that were done especially with Couric.... what a joke! >A two hour interview condensed and edited to 15-20 minutes. ?? Uh, you realize there were several parts to that interview, right? They were filmed in several parts and shown in several parts. The filming took well over two hours (a lot of walking around) and the pieces I've seen so far added up to over half an hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #91 October 3, 2008 QuoteI'd really be interested to hear more about how you relate to Obama and Biden out of curiosity. Personally I relate the most to McCain due to him being a veteran. Again, I don't relate to them very much on a personal level. But (without going into too much detail) I sort of relate to some of the problems of Obama's youth. And with Biden, I get the sense that his life has been largely defined by a personal tragedy, and I sort of relate to that as well. But these things have nothing to do with why I am voting for them. I in no way look at them and think, "Hey, they're just like me. They must understand what I'm going through." And even if I did think that, it wouldn't necessarily mean that they'd do a good job of running the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #92 October 3, 2008 OMG all that righteous indignation.. .Did you get the part about Hocky mom.. and PUCK????I am not laughing with you... I am laughing AT you... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #93 October 3, 2008 Oh I got it. You are just one of the worst perpatrators when it comes to coloring your arguments with insults regarding the subjects so I found it odd you would roll your eyes at someone for doing the exact thing you are known for. Laugh at me all you want because it is obvious you are the one who doesn't get the actual punchline. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #94 October 3, 2008 If GW Bush is the "intellectual elite", we are in big trouble. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #95 October 3, 2008 If you consider GW our entire government, you're in trouble. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #96 October 3, 2008 QuoteIf you consider GW our entire government, you're in trouble. He sure made all you neo-cons happy for 8 years.... lots of people in the military got promoted.. well the ones who are not dead because of his Excellent Little Adventure in Oil Rich Iraq for his fun and his profit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 October 3, 2008 QuoteI said in another thread the biggest problem I had with the format was Gwen was scared shitless about appearing biased. I could have moderated that "debate". Considering how the Republicans had "just recently!" discovered her book . . . I'm pretty sure she was forced to be as low-key as possible.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #98 October 3, 2008 Quote If you consider GW our entire government, you're in trouble. I don't think he is the entire government. But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night . . . (and the rest of them let him get away with playing the part) Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #99 October 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteI whole heartedly disagree that she has 'shamelessly showcased her down syndrome baby.' Fine, well then she has shamelessly showcased her pregnaht child having a child. Ah, but didn't she have a lovely glow? Anyhow, I hear that when those 2 happless kids get married, Cheney will be holding the shotgun. Family Values, it's a big Republican thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #100 October 4, 2008 QuoteBottom line is Palin is not the usual Some people want to control what people sound like and act like. She is proud to not be the Hill-erator. They must be angered by her diversity. The only one who troubles me is Jesse Jackson. His speeches sound like his writer was Dr. Seuss. If he came out with a red and white striped hat, it would be too obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
