kallend 2,027 #176 September 8, 2009 Quote Has anyone seen the documents where scientists show they have found thermite particles in the dust from the towers? - WOW - a plane crashes into a building which collapses and partially burns and iron oxide, iron, aluminum and aluminum oxide are found in the debris. CONCLUSIVE PROOF! ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #177 September 8, 2009 Quote Quote Has anyone seen the documents where scientists show they have found thermite particles in the dust from the towers? - WOW - a plane crashes into a building which collapses and partially burns and iron oxide, iron, aluminum and aluminum oxide are found in the debris. CONCLUSIVE PROOF! You read it, and you just choose not to believe. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #178 September 8, 2009 Quote There are reams of reports on why it collapsed. None of which choose to utilize much common sense, unless it is PM common sense... And your TP factory example is very cute and quite illustrative of your classic distractionary nonsense- but it was ultimately only worthless plinking on your part and more of the same ole 'no comment' type of answer have you even addressed the thermite reports bill? other than just simply labeling the academics a buncha quacks and not worthy of your time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #179 September 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Has anyone seen the documents where scientists show they have found thermite particles in the dust from the towers? - WOW - a plane crashes into a building which collapses and partially burns and iron oxide, iron, aluminum and aluminum oxide are found in the debris. CONCLUSIVE PROOF! You read it, and you just choose not to believe. Oh, he believes alright. He believes, as do I, that iron, aluminum, and their oxides indicate there was iron and aluminum (and maybe their oxides) present at the time of the fire.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #180 September 8, 2009 [Jedi mind trick] these are not the oxides you are looking for [/Jedi mind trick]Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #181 September 8, 2009 You sure you read that report? Thermite particles found in the dust are not suggestive proof of thermite being in the building prior to collapse?? What about the iron sphere shaped droplets they found? How in the world could those have formed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #182 September 8, 2009 [Jedi mind trick] these are not the oxides iron sphere shaped droplets you are looking for [/Jedi mind trick]Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #183 September 8, 2009 >None of which choose to utilize much common sense Common sense in the real world: when you drop tons of concrete through a building, and then start a fire that burns for hours, sometimes it severely damages the building to the point that it can collapse. Common sense in truther world: all buildings in New York are designed to withstand being perforated by tons of concrete, since that happens all the time. Common sense in the real world: two hour fire insulation on steel structural members may not last through a seven hour fire Common sense in truther world: steel doesn't need insulation to prevent weakening during a fire, and insulation lasts forever in any case >And your TP factory example is very cute Glad you liked that example of a steel frame building collapsing due to fire. >have you even addressed the thermite reports bill? Yes. Do you know what thermite is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #184 September 8, 2009 QuoteCommon sense in the real world: when you drop tons of concrete through a building, and then start a fire that burns for hours, sometimes it severely damages the building to the point that it can collapse. Common sense in truther world... Today is a big day for the 911 truth movement; QuoteAE911Truth with Richard Gage, AIA LIVE STREAMED from The Commonwealth Club of California TOMORROW, Tuesday, Sept 8 starting at 5:45PM Pacific Dear AE911Truth Supporters, 1. An important event for the 9/11 truth movement will occur on Tuesday night in San Francisco when Richard Gage, AIA, speaks at the oldest public forum in the nation, The Commonwealth Club of California. Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth will webcast this event live on the Internet from our website AE911Truth.org. We follow in the footsteps of the great David Ray Griffin, who first broke the 9/11 Truth barrier at the Commonwealth Club last year. In just under 40 minutes we will present the scientific evidence for the explosive controlled destruction of the 3 World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11. We will examine the behavior of these buildings as well as the explosive evidence found in the debris. More evidence may be found on our website and DVD. A screening of this historic moment will be presented in New York City at 56 Walker Street. Also, everyone is encouraged to tune in on youy own computer as Mr. Gage explains why the official conspiracy theory put forth by NIST is not supported by the evidence, and that explosive controlled demolition is, very unfortunately, the only viable explanation for the WTC destruction in New York City on September 11, 2001. 2. Richard Gage will also be a guest on the Alex Jones Show the next day, Wednesday, Sept 9, at 11:00 AM Pacific to discuss the recent National Geographic Channel hit piece 9/11: Science & Conspiracy. Now, Bill. You have already atmitted that you have not ever studied the offical story indepth/read the reports as they are written. You have based your assertions on your current understanding of physcs and engineering. As well as the story told by the media, and discussed in great depth in these here forums. You can do as you please, and this applies to everyone here... With all the hoo ha, and turmoil that has surrounded this subject, and the countless minutes typing one line, tin hat jokes, I suggest you give 45 minute of your time to witness this being presented! Let alone the thousands of people that have died, not only in the 911 event itself, but during the retaliation, they deserve your time too, because this is no joking matter! Commonwealth Club of California The audaciousness of this event is extremely exciting, you will see no finger pointing just facts. The reult will also be very interesting. My guess, what ever comes of it, is that it will likely slip under the mainstream media radar. We'll see?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #185 September 8, 2009 Rhys... If they demolished the building with explosives (whoever "they" are), why did they bother to fly planes into the building? They could have just blown up the building and said it was a terrorist bomb. Easy! Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #186 September 8, 2009 QuoteRhys... If they demolished the building with explosives (whoever "they" are), why did they bother to fly planes into the building? They could have just blown up the building and said it was a terrorist bomb. Easy! You're a little late to the game, to me it is obvious. Watch the presentation if you want information, it's too tiring for me to explain over and over when it has been done so many times by much more qualified people than me, and ignored,time and time again. From now, I am simply forwarding the information that comes to me, that actually has a considerable impact, and is making ground in the quest for the real truth, not the swept under the carpet false truth. As much as popular culture finds it hard to believe, this subject/investigation has never been conclusivly solved. Like with many things the truth hurts, and most would rather live in disbelief, knowing the truth is in fact harder to cope with than what has already been presented. The truth has just been swept under the carpet. It never dissapears, not anymore anyway..."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #187 September 8, 2009 QuoteAs much as popular culture finds it hard to believe, this subject/investigation has never been conclusivly solved. Actually, yeah it has - it's the nutjob fringe that keeps this 'inside job' bullshit alive. QuoteLike with many things the truth hurts, and most would rather live in disbelief, knowing the truth is in fact harder to cope with than what has already been presented. Which is exactly why the "truthers" are still out there - they just can't believe what happened and so they search for ANYTHING that could offer an alternate explanation. QuoteThe truth has just been swept under the carpet. It never dissapears, not anymore anyway... Yeah, Jones and his crew are doing their best to do just that...sweep the truth under the rug. Luckily, most folks are more rational than that and disregard him.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #188 September 8, 2009 Quote >No one really addresses Building 7's collapse There are reams of reports on why it collapsed. >many examples of fires much more intense, in steel framed >structures, yet they failed to bring down the building . . . ============================= Last Updated: Wednesday, 1 November 2006 A toilet paper factory in Worcestershire has been severely damaged in a major fire. About 50 firefighters tackled the blaze at the ESP plant in the Enigma Business Park, near Malvern, which started on Wednesday morning. The roof collapsed inside the building and flames leapt 45ft (14m) into the sky in a strong wind, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Service said. The cause of the fire is not known and nobody has been hurt in the incident. Firefighters could still not get into the building on Wednesday lunchtime and a full investigation will start when they can gain access. A spokesman for the fire service said the blaze had resulted in a black smoke cloud which could be seen for miles. He added: "Intense heat buckled the steel girders holding the roof." ==================================== Shame on them for making thermite toilet paper. There you go again, trying to facts in the way of a good story.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #189 September 8, 2009 QuoteYou're a little late to the game, to me it is obvious. I have watched loose change, looked at the 911 truth sites and still have never seen a reason for doing two very difficult tasks .... a) Secretly wire three building with explosives to demolish them b) Fly two aircraft into two buildings .. when only one would acheive the same objectives. It just makes no sense. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #190 September 8, 2009 It is only a "big day" if there is something new presented. A reassertion of things already discussed is not a "big day". So, residue that would exist from the use of thermite was found. Do you claim that the use of thermite is the only thing that can make such residue? Your sources likely claim that is the case, but it is not the truth. Why are you only skeptical of what one side says?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #191 September 8, 2009 We should immediately arrest and charge Al Franken with the 9/11 collapse. After all is we can not see it or hear it, it must have been him and his damned flying saucer again! Now he is a Senator, coincidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #192 September 8, 2009 QuoteI have watched loose change, looked at the 911 truth sites and still have never seen a reason for doing two very difficult tasks .... a) Secretly wire three building with explosives to demolish them b) Fly two aircraft into two buildings .. when only one would acheive the same objectives. It just makes no sense. Apparently the goofs that created Loose Change are working on a 3rd edition. They had to create a 2nd edition after some of their claims were shown to be just too thin for even them to support. In an attempt to save credibility (having credibility with truthers is like saying masturbation is making love to your hand) they needed to rework some things. Now that a few more claims that remained in the 2nd edition have worn completely thin, they are creating a "final" version. What a fucking joke. These people are like the end of the world folks. They pick a day, and when it passes and the world still hangs tight, they revise and set a new date. The only unfortunate part is that a lot of people that have trouble using a modicum of logic keep buying into this crap. As an aside, and not that it is any kind of proof; but watching any sampling of truthers talk, you just gotta wonder why any intelligent person would even listen. A good portion of them are so obviously neurotic it is humorous. If it weren't for this interweb thingy coming of age and allowing flotsam to spread as if it were actually knowledge, this would all be treated as just so much noise from a few goofs." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #193 September 8, 2009 QuoteHas anyone seen the documents where scientists show they have found thermite particles in the dust from the towers? I noticed that the authors of that document are the same nutters you guys keep quoting. Basically, this is just more material that was peer reviewed only by other 9/11 conspiracy types and entirely rejected by the other 99% of scholars, colleagues, and faculty."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #194 September 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou're a little late to the game, to me it is obvious. I have watched loose change, looked at the 911 truth sites and still have never seen a reason for doing two very difficult tasks .... a) Secretly wire three building with explosives to demolish them b) Fly two aircraft into two buildings .. when only one would acheive the same objectives. It just makes no sense. and if the goal was to justify the invasion of Iraq, couldn't they have made at least one of the hijackers be an Iraqi??? after all that planning, and the hundreds of people involved in the conspiracy to wire the buildings, fly the planes, & kidnap the passengers to Area 51, they forgot that one detail? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #195 September 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou're a little late to the game, to me it is obvious. I have watched loose change, looked at the 911 truth sites and still have never seen a reason for doing two very difficult tasks .... a) Secretly wire three building with explosives to demolish them b) Fly two aircraft into two buildings .. when only one would acheive the same objectives. It just makes no sense. Speaking of things that make no sense - WHY are the 'loose change' guys still alive? After killing 3000+ of their own citizens to start a war, why would the gov't risk these guys being able to tell 'the truth'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #196 September 8, 2009 QuoteNo one really addresses Building 7's collapse, which in and of itself indicates element of doubt within the official story- since the "investigation" doesn't even recognize this fact. You'll have to refresh me as to why Building 7 was demolished and not others (or ALL). If it was so easy for them to take down 1, 2, and 7 then why didn't they they try to take down more?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #197 September 8, 2009 I love this thread Every time I need a fix of either reality or imagination, I can come in here and get one Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #198 September 8, 2009 QuoteYou sure you read that report? Thermite particles found in the dust are not suggestive proof of thermite being in the building prior to collapse?? What about the iron sphere shaped droplets they found? How in the world could those have formed? Do you know what thermite is? And what the reaction products are? And whether you can stop the reaction once started? Here's a picture of me doing a thermite reaction.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #199 September 8, 2009 QuoteI love this thread Smile Every time I need a fix of either reality or imagination, I can come in here and get one [Sly] Wendy P. Me too!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #200 September 8, 2009 QuoteMy guess, what ever comes of it, is that it will likely slip under the mainstream media radar. Now if there was ever a story to sell some advertising/newspapers... it would be this event today. A quick google search shows the only people that are interested ate the truthers, even though the majority of the comments on the subject come from those that follow to official story. so the interest is there, you are just 'not allowed' to have it in your media. This lack of interest from mainstream media is evidence of the censored nature of thier operations. Reuters has the story but who will have the guts to print it? They (those with all the cash) are hoping this will be water under the bridge in no time, but unfortunately for them, it will not."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
