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You are absolutely wrong...and I'm sure that you know it.

McCain was exonerated in the Keating 5 mess...as was John Glenn, one of the four Dems. Even Dem lawyer Bob Bennett who headed up the investigation into the Keating 5 said that McCain was innocent. His only "crime" was being the only Republican of the 5 and Congress was not going to allow only Dems to take the fall.

I'm sure it is hard to admit the truth of this matter but it is the first step on the road to recovery. Give it a try.

Keating, CONVICTED on 73 counts of FRAUD, considered John McCain to be a close personal friend with whom he'd shared vacations and business ventures. McCain intervened on Keating's behalf with regulators WHILE Keating was committing fraud.

I expect next you'll claim 8 year old Obama worked for the Weathermen.

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Keating, CONVICTED on 73 counts of FRAUD, considered John McCain to be a close personal friend with whom he'd shared vacations and business ventures. McCain intervened on Keating's behalf with regulators WHILE Keating was committing fraud.

Yeah - maybe you should pay special attention to the bolded, below.

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In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a "classic political smear job" by the Democrats running the Senate at the time, saying that they only included McCain to make sure that a Republican was among the targets. "John had not done anything wrong," Dowd said.

Dowd's point of view was amplified by Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer and Democrat who served as special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee during the Keating Five investigation, which focused on whether McCain and other senators exercised improper political influence over the regulation of Keating's failed Lincoln Savings & Loan.

In an interview, Bennett said McCain should never have been dragged into the ethics case to begin with. He said that after his own lengthy investigation, he came to the conclusion that the case against McCain and former Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio) "should have been dropped" because the evidence suggested that once McCain understood that the Justice Department was investigating Keating, he backed off any involvement. Dowd noted that McCain threw Keating,once a strong supporter, out of his office after Keating pressed him to intervene in his case.

Bennett said former Sen. Howell Hefflin (D-Ala.) insisted that the two be included in the formal public inquiry because otherwise there would have been a month of public hearings "with no Republicans in the dock." The other members of the Keating Five were Democrats.

"It was clear that McCain should not have been at the table nor should Glenn," Bennett said. "I felt it was unfair for McCain to be included as part of the Keating Five." Bennett stressed that he was not speaking as part of the campaign, though he noted he also represented McCain in his recent battles with the New York Times.

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I expect next you'll claim 8 year old Obama worked for the Weathermen.

Nope - nice try at the misdirect, though.

He (Obama) worked with *A* Weatherman on several projects in Chicago, and was chairman of a foundation that said Weatherman created (Annenburg Challenge). He worked with said Weatherman on yet *another* project (Woods Fund) and said Weatherman also threw a party for Obama's political 'coming out'.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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He (Obama) worked with *A* Weatherman on several projects in Chicago, and was chairman of a foundation that said Weatherman created (Annenburg Challenge). He worked with said Weatherman on yet *another* project (Woods Fund) and said Weatherman also threw a party for Obama's political 'coming out'.

So what? Aside from the fact that, by then, Ayers was an EX-Weatherman by about 30 years, how does that make Obama a domestic terrorism sympathizer any more than riding on von Braun's rocket made Neil Armstrong a Nazi sympathizer? Give it up. There's lots of genuine shit at issue in this election - so let's debate that stuff! - but this ain't it.

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Keating, CONVICTED on 73 counts of FRAUD, considered John McCain to be a close personal friend with whom he'd shared vacations and business ventures. McCain intervened on Keating's behalf with regulators WHILE Keating was committing fraud.

Yeah - maybe you should pay special attention to the bolded, below.

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In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who represented McCain during the Senate investigation, called the inquiry a "classic political smear job" by the Democrats running the Senate at the time, saying that they only included McCain to make sure that a Republican was among the targets. "John had not done anything wrong," Dowd said.

Dowd's point of view was amplified by Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer and Democrat who served as special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee during the Keating Five investigation, which focused on whether McCain and other senators exercised improper political influence over the regulation of Keating's failed Lincoln Savings & Loan.

In an interview, Bennett said McCain should never have been dragged into the ethics case to begin with. He said that after his own lengthy investigation, he came to the conclusion that the case against McCain and former Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio) "should have been dropped" because the evidence suggested that once McCain understood that the Justice Department was investigating Keating, he backed off any involvement. Dowd noted that McCain threw Keating,once a strong supporter, out of his office after Keating pressed him to intervene in his case.

Bennett said former Sen. Howell Hefflin (D-Ala.) insisted that the two be included in the formal public inquiry because otherwise there would have been a month of public hearings "with no Republicans in the dock." The other members of the Keating Five were Democrats.

"It was clear that McCain should not have been at the table nor should Glenn," Bennett said. "I felt it was unfair for McCain to be included as part of the Keating Five." Bennett stressed that he was not speaking as part of the campaign, though he noted he also represented McCain in his recent battles with the New York Times.

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I expect next you'll claim 8 year old Obama worked for the Weathermen.

Nope - nice try at the misdirect, though.

He (Obama) worked with *A* Weatherman on several projects in Chicago, and was chairman of a foundation that said Weatherman created (Annenburg Challenge). He worked with said Weatherman on yet *another* project (Woods Fund) and said Weatherman also threw a party for Obama's political 'coming out'.

I find your idea of "parallel" quite amusing.

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[piper17 1]

Ayers made statements to the effect that "I wished had had done more" "done more bombing" as recently as shortly after 9/11/2001. Once a terrorist, doesn't renounce terrorism, still a terrorist!

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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Speaking of ACORN... why is voter fraud primarily the domain of the left? At least it is perceived to be.

How about the ACORNies registering the Dallas Cowboys in Nevada? I wonder how many BS registrations they'll actually get through? Why is this type of thing even thought of as a strategy by groups like this?

Oh, hello again!

[piper17 1]

I wonder if the moonbats will be running around protesting ACORN and talking about "stolen election" this time?

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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Speaking of ACORN... why is voter fraud primarily the domain of the left? At least it is perceived to be.

How about the ACORNies registering the Dallas Cowboys in Nevada? I wonder how many BS registrations they'll actually get through? Why is this type of thing even thought of as a strategy by groups like this?

Absolutely...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,030]

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Ayers made statements to the effect that "I wished had had done more" "done more bombing" as recently as shortly after 9/11/2001. Once a terrorist, doesn't renounce terrorism, still a terrorist!

Do you have a primary source for that "done more bombing" quote?

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>Keating wasn't a convicted felon at the time of his association with McCain.

Nope. But he used McCain to commit his crimes, and McCain aided him willingly, an action that he later admitted was one of the worst decisions of his life, and that he admits guilt for. Obama had zero to do with Ayer's activities.

[billvon 3,008]

>Speaking of ACORN... why is voter fraud primarily the domain of the left?

?? It's not. Even as we speak, GOP operatives are trying to deny Montana voters the right to vote in predominantly Democratic districts. I think it's going to backfire, though, as some of the people they are targeting are veterans, and taking away veteran's right to vote often doesn't sit well with people.

Both sides do it.

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>you don't have to be part of the crime to punished for the crime, only
>part of the group.

Hmm. Does that mean that McCain should be punished for his membership in the Keating Five?

he was and has acknowledged that he was wrong. to bad Obama doesn't have the integrity to admit what his involment was/is and tell us why he was right or wrong.

[kallend 2,030]

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Speaking of ACORN... why is voter fraud primarily the domain of the left? At least it is perceived to be.

How about the ACORNies registering the Dallas Cowboys in Nevada? I wonder how many BS registrations they'll actually get through? Why is this type of thing even thought of as a strategy by groups like this?

Absolutely...

Nice picture. Do you like this one?

And this one?

And this one?

And this one?

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[billvon 3,008]

>> Does that mean that McCain should be punished for his membership in the
>>Keating Five?

>he was . . .

What was his punishment?

>to bad Obama doesn't have the integrity to admit what his involment was/is . . .

He has already done so, very publicly. You simply choose to not believe him.

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Ayers made statements to the effect that "I wished had had done more" "done more bombing" as recently as shortly after 9/11/2001. Once a terrorist, doesn't renounce terrorism, still a terrorist!

When did he specifically say that he wished he had "done more bombing"? Or is that just your interpretation?

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Bill Ayers said in a interview that was published on 9/11/2001 (yes, THAT 9/11) in the New York Times "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."

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>> Does that mean that McCain should be punished for his membership in the
>>Keating Five?

>he was . . .

What was his punishment?

>to bad Obama doesn't have the integrity to admit what his involment was/is . . .

He has already done so, very publicly. You simply choose to not believe him.

Obama saying he lives in the nieghborhood isn't filling us in on the truth, it is avoiding the possible fallout from the truth. he was in with Ayers for alot more than a nieghborhood block party.

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Ayers made statements to the effect that "I wished had had done more" "done more bombing" as recently as shortly after 9/11/2001. Once a terrorist, doesn't renounce terrorism, still a terrorist!

Do you have a primary source for that "done more bombing" quote?

On September 11, 2001, A Story About William Ayers' Memoir Was Published In The New York Times; The Interview Occurred Prior To Publication. "'I don't regret setting bombs,' Bill Ayers said. 'I feel we didn't do enough.' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago." [New York Times, 9/11/01]

i think there may be much more relevant things about ayers' ideology and obama's role with the annenburg challenge, but for now i can only find info about that on right-leaning and far right websites. i'm waiting to see if the same things pop up in more objective sources.

"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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[billvon 3,008]

>Obama saying he lives in the nieghborhood isn't filling us in on the truth . . .

Right - he said far more than that. One of his statements:

"I'm sure you've got people who you serve on a board with or have dinner with who, you know, you would never expect to somehow have that seen as an endorsement of their views. Now, you know, Mr. Ayers is a 60-plus-year-old individual who lives in my neighborhood, who did something that I deplore 40 years ago when I was 6 or 7 years old. By the time I met him, he was a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education. He worked for Mayor Daley, the same Mayor Daley, by the way, who, when he was a state's attorney, prosecuted Mr. Ayers' wife for those activities in the '60s. So the point is that to somehow suggest that in any way I endorse his deplorable acts 40 years ago because I serve on a board with him is absurd."

> he was in with Ayers for alot more than a nieghborhood block party.

Coming up with strawmen like that is going to ensure that the GOP loses in November.

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Bill Ayers said in a interview that was published on 9/11/2001 (yes, THAT 9/11) in the New York Times "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."

Right, but he didn't say "I wish I had done more bombing." There's a bit of a difference.

(I'm not condoning what he did, but I understand how strongly he felt about stopping the war in Vietnam.)

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Nice pictures also. Not familiar with pictures taken with friends?
How about This one
or this one
this one?
or even THIS one?

[billvon 3,008]

Oh my God! Obama rides a bike and DRINKS BEER! Compared to the elitist latte-sipping Palin and John McCain's 13 cars, he is clearly the inferior candidate.

[normiss 806]

now Bill,
John posted pics of McCain hugging one of his friends and supporters...meaning WHAT?

I'm having trouble finding pictures of Obama with friends...maybe they're still smoking and snorting...

Something wrong with McCain owning 13 cars?
I have a bicycle - oh wait 2!
I wish I had 13 cars...or more accurately 13 motorcycles.
I don't get it.

While we ignore Obama's bad math, desire to invade a nuclear armed country, and simply move the billions being spent in Iraq simply to other countries....your side can't see past trying to equate McCain to Bush simply because they're in the same party.

[billvon 3,008]

>Something wrong with McCain owning 13 cars?

Not at all! He is clearly more successful than Obama, who owns only 1. And good on Palin for having a daily mocha latte; shows she can afford good upper class coffee.

>your side can't see past trying to equate McCain to Bush simply because
>they're in the same party.

Which side is "mine?" Independents? If so, you are incorrect. I am not trying to equate them; they are not the same. For one thing, McCain is considerably smarter and more flexible than Bush. For another, they differ on issues about 10% of the time.

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>Obama saying he lives in the nieghborhood isn't filling us in on the truth . . .

Right - he said far more than that. One of his statements:

"I'm sure you've got people who you serve on a board with or have dinner with who, you know, you would never expect to somehow have that seen as an endorsement of their views. Now, you know, Mr. Ayers is a 60-plus-year-old individual who lives in my neighborhood, who did something that I deplore 40 years ago when I was 6 or 7 years old. By the time I met him, he was a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education. He worked for Mayor Daley, the same Mayor Daley, by the way, who, when he was a state's attorney, prosecuted Mr. Ayers' wife for those activities in the '60s. So the point is that to somehow suggest that in any way I endorse his deplorable acts 40 years ago because I serve on a board with him is absurd."

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yep bill, you are correct, but the other people on the board didn't give out the money under Ayers' direction. other people on the board didn't involve themselves with acorn by defending and teaching them.

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