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Please explain why you think ACORN should NOT run voter registration drives.



Other than their PROVEN HISTORY of fraud, you mean?



When was the fraud trial that produced the guilty verdict?



john , if you were hit in the head with a hammer 4 or 5 times but didn't get an arrest or conviction, would you still put your head in the same spot agin? just because Obama has taught these guys about laws and how to get through the loopholes doesn't make them not guilty, just not guilty in the eyes of the law. remember OJ was found inocent would you like to be alone with him and a knife?

Acorn has consistantly been involved with the law for alot of different reasons and has a reputation of going to extremes, therefore we need to be aware of their presence and question the validity of their actions.

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Please explain why you think ACORN should NOT run voter registration drives.



Other than their PROVEN HISTORY of fraud, you mean?



When was the fraud trial that produced the guilty verdict?



john , if you were hit in the head with a hammer 4 or 5 times but didn't get an arrest or conviction, would you still put your head in the same spot agin? just because Obama has taught these guys about laws and how to get through the loopholes doesn't make them not guilty, just not guilty in the eyes of the law. remember OJ was found inocent would you like to be alone with him and a knife?

Acorn has consistantly been involved with the law for alot of different reasons and has a reputation of going to extremes, therefore we need to be aware of their presence and question the validity of their actions.



In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?

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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



would you rather find out now or after it's to late?

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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



would you rather find out now or after it's to late?


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I'm sure there are a bunch of incorrect and possibly fraudulent registrations. Does that mean the organization itself is fraudulent, or maybe just overworked or careless? Fraud is criminal. Carelessness is not.
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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



would you rather find out now or after it's to late?


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I'm sure there are a bunch of incorrect and possibly fraudulent registrations. Does that mean the organization itself is fraudulent, or maybe just overworked or careless? Fraud is criminal. Carelessness is not.



but maybe we should find out just to be sure

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Your one warning.



seriously, that required a warning? considering some of the stuff that flies on here?

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They don't want to know. Just like they don't want a voter registration ID card that would stop this. Fact is, they get upset if you say Obama's full name.



you mean Barrack hussien Obama? imagine that, a president that has a name that sounds like the guy behind 911.

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They don't want to know. Just like they don't want a voter registration ID card that would stop this. Fact is, they get upset if you say Obama's full name.



you mean Barrack hussien Obama? imagine that, a president that has a name that sounds like the guy behind 911.



You have a name that sounds like the guy who shot John Lennon.
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They don't want to know. Just like they don't want a voter registration ID card that would stop this. Fact is, they get upset if you say Obama's full name.



you mean Barrack hussien Obama? imagine that, a president that has a name that sounds like the guy behind 911.



You have a name that sounds like the guy who shot John Lennon.



but i'm not running for president

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They don't want to know. Just like they don't want a voter registration ID card that would stop this. Fact is, they get upset if you say Obama's full name.



you mean Barrack hussien Obama? imagine that, a president that has a name that sounds like the guy behind 911.



You have a name that sounds like the guy who shot John Lennon.



but i'm not running for president



Good job, with a name like that. Some idiots would have a field day with your name and you'd never be electable.
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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



would you rather find out now or after it's to late?



I would like to have every eligible citizen be registered to vote, however that occurs.
Further, I would like to see those registered voters who are at least moderately intelligent take the time to become fully informed on the issues, carefully consider the positions of their local and national candidates, then vote for the candidates that best reflect their personal values and attitudes.

Those organizations that work towards getting all eligible citizens should be commended for their efforts.

The local election officials who are responsible for verifying the accuracy of voter registration forms should do their jobs. Any fraudulent forms should be investigated and those that signed the f forms should be arrested and prosecuted.

I think we are on the same page with regard to the desired outcome, Where we strongly differ is the tactics used.

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Please explain why you think ACORN should NOT run voter registration drives.



Other than their PROVEN HISTORY of fraud, you mean?



Why isn't law enforcement working to find and prosecute those that sign the fraudulent voter registration forms? If it can be PROVEN to be ACORN staff, they should be prosecuted. If ignorant righties are deliberately handing in falsified forms, and ACORN passes along these forms, how is that ACORNs fault?

The Rs are caging votes again, without any investigation or prosecution occuring. The Rs are doing everything they can to purge the voter rolls in the key battleground states. They target poor and minority neighborhoods that are likely to vote D. The Rs post reps to challenge voters in these neighborhoods. Do you righties approve of the deliberate actions designed to REDUCE the number of people voting? If so, why?



Give me a friggin BREAK, dude - what do you think those new stories about ACORN prosecutions are?
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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



You mean, like the ACCUSATIONS of voter fraud in Florida and Ohio that y'all keep bringing up over and over?

Is it possible that THOSE accusations are carefully coordinated Democratic attacks tha have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?
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In other words, because the corporate media reports these so called nefarious dealings, they're true. Even though the trial and conviction for fraud never happened. But being ACCUSED of fraud is good enough for you.
All those accusations, from all of those different sources... and no convictions of the folks who run the operations.
Is it possible that the accusations are carefully coordinated Republican attacks that have no real basis in fact and are purely political in nature?



would you rather find out now or after it's to late?


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I'm sure there are a bunch of incorrect and possibly fraudulent registrations. Does that mean the organization itself is fraudulent, or maybe just overworked or careless? Fraud is criminal. Carelessness is not.



I believe it's called willful negligence...and it is punishable.
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In Ohio it seems we have a Sec of State who's unwilling to allow the counties who control the registration to cross check databases.

It's the law of the land that you have to check a voter registration against State ID and Soc Sec #'s.

Ohio Secretary of State Ordered to Verify Voter Registrations
Federal judge orders Ohio's top elections official to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/09/judge-orders-ohio-elections-chief-verify-voters/

"For some reason, Jennifer Brunner does not want these new registrations checked," said Ohio Republican Party Deputy Chairman Kevin DeWine. "Her refusal to comply with federal law raises serious concerns about her ability to objectively oversee this election."

This has the taintings of Party Politics, but something is wrong if a Federal Judge thinks he needs to step in.

I'm amazed that 8 years after the last election debacle we're still trying to get this right.>:(

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Fraud is criminal. Carelessness is not.





So, carelessness?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

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Do you think that snipping the part that said "I'm sure there are a bunch of incorrect and possibly fraudulent registrations." strengthens your position somehow?
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Nope, it just didn't have anything to do with the inferred question, Do you think this qualifies as fraud or carelessness. Hell, son, you're the educated one-I know you can follow the thread when you want to. So, as reported ,is it fraud or careless?
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