kallend 2,026 #51 October 16, 2008 Quote"the comunists made their children learn that America was bad and evil. to this day the muslims do the same." "the Capitalists made their children learn that Russia was bad and evil. to this day the Christians do the same to the muslims." seems strangely familiar... We learned the same about Chinese communism too. Too bad we now owe those Chinese communists some $1.6Trillion, and depend on them for our bail-out of Wall Street.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #52 October 16, 2008 Still avoiding the original subject, I see."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #53 October 16, 2008 QuoteStill avoiding the original subject, I see. That story is not just lame, it's dead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #54 October 16, 2008 Quote "the Capitalists made their children learn that Russia was bad and evil. to this day the Christians do the same to the muslims." seems strangely familiar... I've never been taught, or told, by anyone in any church or affiliated with any church that the muslims are all bad. I guess we could have a whole argument on why you think Russia wasn't bad and evil. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #55 October 16, 2008 >I've never been taught, or told, by anyone in any church or affiliated with any >church that the muslims are all bad. Rev. Rod Parsley, the man McCain called his "spiritual advisor": "I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore." If you are indeed defined by the company you keep, then McCain will be looking to destroy Islam as soon as he gets into office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D-rock 0 #56 October 16, 2008 QuoteStill avoiding the original subject, I see. OMG, You and the other crazy's are the only ones that care about your "original subject". Like others have said you're not changing anyone's vote. You're just making your side look insane. The rest of us can see that the Ayers connection doesn't really matter. The Annenberg Challenge board weren't planting bombs they were trying to fix our country's messed up education system. It was a bipartisan organization: Quote Among the mainstream Chicago luminaries on Obama's board was Arnold R. Weber, a former president of Northwestern University, who in 1971 was appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon as executive director of the Cost of Living Council and who later was tapped by Republican President Ronald Reagan to serve on an emergency labor board. More recently, Weber has given $1,500 to John McCain's presidential campaign this year. The best part of this is that no one on the right seems to care that Todd Palin apparently was and still maybe a secessionist. Now, I don't give two shits about that. I have better reasons to not vote for Palin (her thinking the earth is 6000 years old, among other things) But the fact that, her husband is a secessionist seems like something the "America, love it or leave it" crowd might want to take a look at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #57 October 17, 2008 Quote OMG, You and the other crazy's are the only ones that care about your "original subject". They have nothing else. The don't like their candidate. His numbers don't add up. His ideas rhyme with a very unpopular lame duck. There's nothing left but to break out the crocodile tears. They're looking for their whitewater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfnren 2 #58 October 17, 2008 "I guess we could have a whole argument on why you think Russia wasn't bad and evil." My point isn't that Russia didn't do evil things, it most certainly did. It's that since you were a child you've been taught that Russia is evil, so you believe it, just the same as some Russians believe that America is evil. It's propaganda on both sides. America has as much blood on it's hands as Russia. In much of the world this country has been incredibly oppressive, supporting dictators and death squads when it suits the economic interests of people with influence. Our respective governments justify horrible things because our intentions are good and the "others" are evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #59 October 17, 2008 Quote My point isn't that Russia didn't do evil things, it most certainly did. It's that since you were a child you've been taught that Russia is evil, so you believe it, just the same as some Russians believe that America is evil. It's propaganda on both sides. America has as much blood on it's hands as Russia....Quote Well, that and the whole Stalin, pact with Hitler, communist rule thing. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfnren 2 #60 October 17, 2008 Jeeebus, your dense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #61 October 17, 2008 regarding Ayers: Hey, maybe Barack Obama was like Stewie in the Family Guy cartoon (the evil genius-baby), and actually masterminded the bombings when he was eight years old!!it could have happened. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #62 October 17, 2008 QuoteThe Annenberg Challenge board weren't planting bombs they were trying to fix our country's messed up education system. Too bad they couldn't find their way clear to funding actual school programs instead of cultural activism programs, then. Find my post about what was/wasn't funded by Annenberg under Obama / Ayers.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #63 October 17, 2008 QuoteJeeebus, your dense... It's you're I know what you're saying. I don't agree with the part where you twist it into 'America has just as much innocent blood on it's hands as communist Russia.' -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #64 October 17, 2008 Quote"Obama/Ayers" "McCain/Keating". Is this really the way we ought to play this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #65 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Obama/Ayers" "McCain/Keating". Is this really the way we ought to play this? McCain wasn't on the S&L board with Keating, while Obama and Ayers *were* on the board of the Annenberg Challenge - did you have a point with your comment?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #66 October 17, 2008 >McCain wasn't on the S&L board with Keating . . . McCain DID have several private meetings with Keating where they conspired to remove federal oversight of Keating's company. That's worse, not better. He didn't just end up on some board, he intentionally planned and executed a meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #67 October 17, 2008 QuoteThat's worse, not better. Funny, the person that did the investigation disagrees with you. From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: QuoteAnd, Senator McCain attended that meeting. And one thing led to another and the Ethics Committee conducted an investigation. And I investigated it for a long, long time, well over a year. For the purpose of determining whether or not the Senators, including McCain, violated any standards, rules, ethical prohibitions. And at the end of the investigation, I concluded that Senator McCain and Senator Glenn should be exonerated, that is, that there should be no further action against them, but that was rejected by the Committee and there were some twenty-six days of public hearings. As you know, Mark, ’cause on the occasions we’ve met, I- we argued some. I’m a Democrat, as you know. But, I had to call it the way the evidence dictated, and I called it that John McCain did nothing wrong. How Heflin, who at the time, was the Chairman of the Committee, was very concerned that there be twenty-six days of hearings with only Democrats in “the docks”, so to speak, so my recommendation about exonerating Senators Glenn and McCain was rejected and we went forward. But… it’s….and at the end of the day, it was pretty clear, from all the evidence, that there was no violation by Senator McCain. And: QuoteBut the direct, that as background, I certainly saw nothing in my investigation that would call into question, John McCain’s ethics. When he learned that there had been a referral to the Justice Department by the regulators, uh, he withdrew from any assistance to Keating and in fact, got into a big argument with Charles Keating, who called McCain “a wimp”, which did not sit well with the Senator. So, I certainly, based on my investigation in that case, saw nothing to call in to question John McCain’s ethics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #68 October 17, 2008 >From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #69 October 17, 2008 Mike... face it You LOVE Bush... you Like McCain as his pseudo replacement.. and no matter the kind of deeds he did in the past will sway you. Obama has never delved into the same antics in his few short years in Washington that Bush and McCain has.. growing up bathed in the power surrounding them. I guess your tolerance for dirty politics has a higher threshold than many of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #70 October 17, 2008 Quote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #71 October 17, 2008 QuoteMike... face it You LOVE Bush... you Like McCain as his pseudo replacement.. and no matter the kind of deeds he did in the past will sway you. Obama has never delved into the same antics in his few short years in Washington that Bush and McCain has.. growing up bathed in the power surrounding them. I guess your tolerance for dirty politics has a higher threshold than many of us. Wow - I see you have your telepathy running again - so, care to tell me who I voted for the last two elections? My tolerance for dirty politics applies equally to both sides of the aisle - something YOU can definitely not claim.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #72 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup. If you want technical, no court has found any wrongdoing on Ayers' part.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #73 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup. If you want technical, no court has found any wrongdoing on Ayers' part. He admitted to it and said he wish he did more. The Keating scandal was investigated thoroughly. McCain always said he did nothing wrong and was found innocent. Trying to make the two sound the same is a waste of time. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #74 October 17, 2008 >Obviously your opinion . . . Nope. Nothing I said was opinion; it was all fact. Actively participated in meetings - fact. McCain admitted this. With a convicted felon - fact. He was in fact convicted. Google the court records if you do not believe this. Who was also one of his closest friends - fact. McCain himself admitted this. Heck, McCain often used Keating's private jet for vacations.* Got more money from him than any other senator - fact. Look it up. He got $166,000 from Keating over the years. And then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - fact. He has admitted this. It is unfortunate for McCain supporters that the Internet exists; all this stuff is easy for anyone at all to prove to themselves. ================================== * from McCain's book: More important, I became friends with Charlie, his family, and many of the top executives and employees of his company, American Continental Corporation. Charlie was a real go-getter. He had quite a reputation not only for his entrepreneurial genius, but also for his famously extravagant approach to business and life . . .He was as close to the archetype of the high-flying eighties chief executive as anyone I had encountered, and he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around. On several occasions, he invited Cindy and me to his beautiful vacation retreat at Cat Bay in the Bahamas, flying us there, with our infant daughter, Meghan, and her nanny, on his private jet. He entertained lavishly, as was his style. We would all crowd on his yacht, off for a day of swimming and snorkeling, and then return for another extravagant party with the best wine, food, and entertainment available. They were memorable experiences, and even though our trips would almost lead to my ruin, I would be lying were I to deny just how much I enjoyed them and how eagerly I awaited invitations to Charlie Keating's Shangri-la. =================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #75 October 17, 2008 Quote The Keating scandal was investigated thoroughly. McCain always said he did nothing wrong and was found innocent. Trying to make the two sound the same is a waste of time. Obama hasn't been charged with anything either. Keating and Liddy - convicted felons and associates of McCain. You want guilt by association, then look at associations with those who have been found guilty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. 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mfnren 2 #60 October 17, 2008 Jeeebus, your dense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #61 October 17, 2008 regarding Ayers: Hey, maybe Barack Obama was like Stewie in the Family Guy cartoon (the evil genius-baby), and actually masterminded the bombings when he was eight years old!!it could have happened. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 October 17, 2008 QuoteThe Annenberg Challenge board weren't planting bombs they were trying to fix our country's messed up education system. Too bad they couldn't find their way clear to funding actual school programs instead of cultural activism programs, then. Find my post about what was/wasn't funded by Annenberg under Obama / Ayers.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #63 October 17, 2008 QuoteJeeebus, your dense... It's you're I know what you're saying. I don't agree with the part where you twist it into 'America has just as much innocent blood on it's hands as communist Russia.' -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #64 October 17, 2008 Quote"Obama/Ayers" "McCain/Keating". Is this really the way we ought to play this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #65 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuote"Obama/Ayers" "McCain/Keating". Is this really the way we ought to play this? McCain wasn't on the S&L board with Keating, while Obama and Ayers *were* on the board of the Annenberg Challenge - did you have a point with your comment?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #66 October 17, 2008 >McCain wasn't on the S&L board with Keating . . . McCain DID have several private meetings with Keating where they conspired to remove federal oversight of Keating's company. That's worse, not better. He didn't just end up on some board, he intentionally planned and executed a meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #67 October 17, 2008 QuoteThat's worse, not better. Funny, the person that did the investigation disagrees with you. From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: QuoteAnd, Senator McCain attended that meeting. And one thing led to another and the Ethics Committee conducted an investigation. And I investigated it for a long, long time, well over a year. For the purpose of determining whether or not the Senators, including McCain, violated any standards, rules, ethical prohibitions. And at the end of the investigation, I concluded that Senator McCain and Senator Glenn should be exonerated, that is, that there should be no further action against them, but that was rejected by the Committee and there were some twenty-six days of public hearings. As you know, Mark, ’cause on the occasions we’ve met, I- we argued some. I’m a Democrat, as you know. But, I had to call it the way the evidence dictated, and I called it that John McCain did nothing wrong. How Heflin, who at the time, was the Chairman of the Committee, was very concerned that there be twenty-six days of hearings with only Democrats in “the docks”, so to speak, so my recommendation about exonerating Senators Glenn and McCain was rejected and we went forward. But… it’s….and at the end of the day, it was pretty clear, from all the evidence, that there was no violation by Senator McCain. And: QuoteBut the direct, that as background, I certainly saw nothing in my investigation that would call into question, John McCain’s ethics. When he learned that there had been a referral to the Justice Department by the regulators, uh, he withdrew from any assistance to Keating and in fact, got into a big argument with Charles Keating, who called McCain “a wimp”, which did not sit well with the Senator. So, I certainly, based on my investigation in that case, saw nothing to call in to question John McCain’s ethics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #68 October 17, 2008 >From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 October 17, 2008 Mike... face it You LOVE Bush... you Like McCain as his pseudo replacement.. and no matter the kind of deeds he did in the past will sway you. Obama has never delved into the same antics in his few short years in Washington that Bush and McCain has.. growing up bathed in the power surrounding them. I guess your tolerance for dirty politics has a higher threshold than many of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #70 October 17, 2008 Quote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #71 October 17, 2008 QuoteMike... face it You LOVE Bush... you Like McCain as his pseudo replacement.. and no matter the kind of deeds he did in the past will sway you. Obama has never delved into the same antics in his few short years in Washington that Bush and McCain has.. growing up bathed in the power surrounding them. I guess your tolerance for dirty politics has a higher threshold than many of us. Wow - I see you have your telepathy running again - so, care to tell me who I voted for the last two elections? My tolerance for dirty politics applies equally to both sides of the aisle - something YOU can definitely not claim.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #72 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup. If you want technical, no court has found any wrongdoing on Ayers' part.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #73 October 17, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>From a interview between Mark Levin and Bob Bennett: Obama: sat on a board that happened to include a man never convicted of anything. McCain: actively participated in meetings with a convicted felon who was also one of his closest friends, got more money from him than any other senator, and then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - a mistake that he admits was the "worst mistake of his life." Obviously your opinion, since the INVESTIGATOR found no violations on McCain's part. Was it a mistake? Yup. If you want technical, no court has found any wrongdoing on Ayers' part. He admitted to it and said he wish he did more. The Keating scandal was investigated thoroughly. McCain always said he did nothing wrong and was found innocent. Trying to make the two sound the same is a waste of time. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #74 October 17, 2008 >Obviously your opinion . . . Nope. Nothing I said was opinion; it was all fact. Actively participated in meetings - fact. McCain admitted this. With a convicted felon - fact. He was in fact convicted. Google the court records if you do not believe this. Who was also one of his closest friends - fact. McCain himself admitted this. Heck, McCain often used Keating's private jet for vacations.* Got more money from him than any other senator - fact. Look it up. He got $166,000 from Keating over the years. And then tried to interfere with a Federal investigation into Keating's dealings - fact. He has admitted this. It is unfortunate for McCain supporters that the Internet exists; all this stuff is easy for anyone at all to prove to themselves. ================================== * from McCain's book: More important, I became friends with Charlie, his family, and many of the top executives and employees of his company, American Continental Corporation. Charlie was a real go-getter. He had quite a reputation not only for his entrepreneurial genius, but also for his famously extravagant approach to business and life . . .He was as close to the archetype of the high-flying eighties chief executive as anyone I had encountered, and he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around. On several occasions, he invited Cindy and me to his beautiful vacation retreat at Cat Bay in the Bahamas, flying us there, with our infant daughter, Meghan, and her nanny, on his private jet. He entertained lavishly, as was his style. We would all crowd on his yacht, off for a day of swimming and snorkeling, and then return for another extravagant party with the best wine, food, and entertainment available. They were memorable experiences, and even though our trips would almost lead to my ruin, I would be lying were I to deny just how much I enjoyed them and how eagerly I awaited invitations to Charlie Keating's Shangri-la. =================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #75 October 17, 2008 Quote The Keating scandal was investigated thoroughly. McCain always said he did nothing wrong and was found innocent. Trying to make the two sound the same is a waste of time. Obama hasn't been charged with anything either. Keating and Liddy - convicted felons and associates of McCain. You want guilt by association, then look at associations with those who have been found guilty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
