McCain and ACORN

[funjumper101 15]

McSame used to like ACORN. Now he doesn't.
Can you say "flip-flop"? Can you spell "erratic"?
Scary, isn't it...

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McCain was the keynote speaker at a Feb. 20, 2006 Miami rally cosponsored by Acorn to build support for a comprehensive immigration reform bill co-sponsored by McCain and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. The bill never passed Congress.

In a statement, Bertha Lewis, chief organizer of Acorn, sharply attacked McCain, suggesting the 72-year-old senator is “erratic”—a word that Republicans believe Democratic opponents use against McCain to stir up concerns about his age.

“Maybe it is out of desperation that Sen. McCain has forgotten that he was for Acorn before he was against Acorn; he was for immigration reform before he was against immigration reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic,” Lewis said.

She added, “We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally. Maybe this surprise attack and change of heart is indicative of his state of mind, and the way he would govern.”

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The bad-tempered troll will say or do anything to become POTUS.

[FallingOsh 0]

So the voter registration fraud isn't a big deal? It should not be condemned?

I used to like my friend's dog. Then the little fucker bit me. I don't like it now. Am I a flip flopper?

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McSame used to like ACORN. Now he doesn't.
Can you say "flip-flop"? Can you spell "erratic"?
Scary, isn't it...

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McCain was the keynote speaker at a Feb. 20, 2006 Miami rally cosponsored by Acorn to build support for a comprehensive immigration reform bill co-sponsored by McCain and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. The bill never passed Congress.

In a statement, Bertha Lewis, chief organizer of Acorn, sharply attacked McCain, suggesting the 72-year-old senator is “erratic”—a word that Republicans believe Democratic opponents use against McCain to stir up concerns about his age.

“Maybe it is out of desperation that Sen. McCain has forgotten that he was for Acorn before he was against Acorn; he was for immigration reform before he was against immigration reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic,” Lewis said.

She added, “We are surprised at his efforts to vilify an organization that, until recently, he saw as an ally. Maybe this surprise attack and change of heart is indicative of his state of mind, and the way he would govern.”

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The bad-tempered troll will say or do anything to become POTUS.

so changing your mind is wrong? sounds to me like he found out what acorn was all about and then walked away. sounds to me like he made a good choice.

[mnealtx 0]

When McCain gets endorsed by ACORN's political arm, heads an organization that funnels money to them, or donates $800k to them, let us know, m'kay?

Mike
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[funjumper101 15]

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When McCain gets endorsed by ACORN's political arm, heads an organization that funnels money to them, or donates $800k to them, let us know, m'kay?

What a SHOCK!!!!

A grassroots community organizing organization in favor of DEMOCRATS????

What is the world coming to? Next thing you know, the sun will come up in the east!

For the MORONS among us, here is a FACT.

It is a federal law that anyone who collects a voter registration form MUST turn in the form to the voter registration organization for that state. ACORN volunteers CAN NOT screen voter registration forms for fraud and discard them. They MUST be turned in.
Funny that meeting a FEDERAL legal requirement is spun by the corporate media and the rescumlicans to be a "voting fraud" issue.

Are you righties really that gullible? It appears so.
Try becoming fully informed before you jump on the bandwagon of bullshit.

[kallend 2,030]

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Are you righties really that gullible? .

Well, they bought into G.W. Bush, so it seems they are.

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[mnealtx 0]

DO try a few more of those tap-dance moves...you're getting quite good at it.

Now - care to actually REFUTE my comment?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freeflybella 0]

What exactly is the issue with ACORN?

From what I can tell, they submitted a bunch of voter registrations that were fraudulent - but according to the law, they MUST submit ALL forms gathered by canvassers - even if signed by elmer fudd.

I guess their offices were raided to determine if ACORN itself planted those forms or if they were really gathered by canvassers? Has there been an official determination yet?

Also, hasn't it been proven that fraudulent registration forms do not equate to fraudulent votes?

Seriously asking...

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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I guess their offices were raided to determine if ACORN itself planted those forms or if they were really gathered by canvassers? Has there been an official determination yet?

Also, hasn't it been proven that fraudulent registration forms do not equate to fraudulent votes?

I would not be surprised if those fraudulent forms were submitted by rePUBICan operatives.. to CREATE the issue in the first place as a talking point to discredit ACORN.

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What exactly is the issue with ACORN?

From what I can tell, they submitted a bunch of voter registrations that were fraudulent - but according to the law, they MUST submit ALL forms gathered by canvassers - even if signed by elmer fudd.

I guess their offices were raided to determine if ACORN itself planted those forms or if they were really gathered by canvassers? Has there been an official determination yet?

Also, hasn't it been proven that fraudulent registration forms do not equate to fraudulent votes?

Seriously asking...

Joe Blow Voter doesn't register over and over and over and over. ACORN is not just standing by, innocently collecting forms and dutifully turning them in. They have been convincing people that singing up multiple times is somehow helping.

I saw an interview with two people last night. One said he told them no, but the ACORN rep said that if he signed more then he's be helping people. So he signed up like 8 more times. The next interview was with a guy who was convinced to sign up 73 times. 73! You think anyone would register to vote 73 times on their own?

You're right. Voter registration fraud does not [yet] equal voter fraud. But, that's like saying getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar doesn't mean you were actually going to take the cookie.

AND THEN... people are trying to spin it as a right wing conspiracy and McCain is guilty. You've gotta be shittin me. A left leaning organization is caught organizing voter registraion fraud and it's the republican's fault. rediculous

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[piper17 1]

How about aiding and abetting fraud. Conspiracry to commit fraud?

What do you call giving people money and cigarettes to encourage them to register to vote multiple times?

Why do you think some ACORN people are being prosecuted for their activities? I'm sure you have some lame excuse for it...or will try to find a way equivocate or deflect.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[billvon 3,008]

>You think anyone would register to vote 73 times on their own?

Of course they would if they thought it would help their candidate win. There are people who are convinced the US will be handed over to terrorists if Obama wins. Surely a little voter fraud is better than having the terrorists take over!

I am not saying ACORN did not have a hand in this; they probably did. However, people can and do commit voter-registration fraud on their own, and it happens quite often. Heck, the first recorded incident of voter fraud occurred in 471 BC, and I'm pretty sure ACORN didn't have anything to do with that one.

[freeflybella 0]

Were these people pressured to register by the same person? Or was it multiple people over a period of time?

I'm just trying to figure out what the motive is - since it doesn't equate to fraudulent votes?

Are the canvassers getting paid by the registration? Probably a bad move - but possibly necessary - can't imagine that's a job most are willing to do/volunteer for.

Has there been evidence of ACORN firing canvassers that are caught or have a history of turning in "suspect" forms? (I say suspect since ACORN is still required to turn them all in) Or has it been shwon to be ACORN policy to create bad forms?

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[kallend 2,030]

It's far from clear that the number of suspicious registrations is enough to affect the outcome of the presidential vote, even in tight states, elections officials say. They say enforcement efforts are likely to spot any big collections of fake registrations before votes are cast. What's more, a fake registration doesn't necessarily mean an ineligible vote is tallied. Officials say canvassers sometimes make up registered names to impress bosses or earn bonuses, but that doesn't result in anyone ineligible casting a vote.
Wall Street Journal (Bastion of Socialism) Oct 9, 2008

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[piper17 1]

ACORN's Bad Seed
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: As a major voting fraud scandal explodes, the mainstream media seem intent on ignoring it. Given the seriousness of the charges, maybe a formal federal investigation is in order.

The charges involve ACORN — the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now — for which Barack Obama once served as a lawyer and as a trainer.

In recent months, a picture has emerged of ACORN as a group run amok — with ACORN accused of registering thousands of bogus voters using such names as Mickey Mouse, Veronica Mars and Pat Tillman, plus names from the Dallas Cowboys.

Why care? As documented by Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at Washington's Ethics and Public Policy Center, Obama has ties to ACORN that are numerous, irrefutable and go back years. Initial denials by the Obama campaign of links to ACORN have been shown to be false.

Obama at various times during his 1990s career as a "community organizer" served ACORN in several roles, including as a major conduit of funds. And the ties continue. This year, Obama's campaign has delivered $800,000 to an ACORN affiliate. Obama has also vowed to give ACORN a big role in his administration.

ACORN's links to the Democratic Party are deep, extending back to its 1970 founding. By its own reckoning, ACORN this year has registered 1.32 million voters in 18 states — many in swing states that could have an outsized impact on the outcome of the election.

Nothing wrong with registering voters, except that ACORN has been accused of voter fraud activities across the country. At least 12 states have started investigations against ACORN.

ACORN also has been implicated in the subprime mortgage meltdown. But it still gets millions in taxpayers' dollars. Something is seriously wrong here.

Yet the media seem curiously incurious about it — just as they refuse to look deeply into Obama's longstanding ties to terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, or ACORN's own radical ties.

ACORN, as it turns out, was co-founded by Wade Rathke, a former member of the radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The SDS spawned the terrorist Weathermen — of which Ayers and Dohrn were members.

The media show no interest. They're in the bag for Obama, big time. A study of the Big Three networks' election coverage released Tuesday by George Mason University's Center for Media & Public Affairs found that, from Aug. 23 to Sept. 30, 61% of their stories about the Democratic Party were positive; just 39% of the stories about Republicans were positive.

With widening evidence of massive voter fraud nationwide, we can't leave it to a biased media to investigate. ACORN's alleged voter fraud crosses all jurisdictions, and is now federal in scope.

So why hasn't the Justice Department launched a full-scale investigation? Or the Federal Election Commission?
And why isn't Congress up in arms over this attempt to steal our republic?

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

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Yet the media seem curiously incurious about it — just as they refuse to look deeply into Obama's longstanding ties to terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, or ACORN's own radical ties.

REALLY? The media is "incurious" about it?? I must have hallucinated all those news stories about it then.

Hey, if Ayers & his wife are still terrorists, then why aren't they arrested & sent to Gitmo?

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[FallingOsh 0]

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Of course they would if they thought it would help their candidate win. There are people who are convinced the US will be handed over to terrorists if Obama wins. Surely a little voter fraud is better than having the terrorists take over!

So now it's the republicans fault, again. ACORN is a left learning group pressuring people to register multiple times. The guys in those interviews were not exactly the type to mastermind a voting scheme and both said the ACORN rep guilted them into it.

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I am not saying ACORN did not have a hand in this; they probably did. However, people can and do commit voter-registration fraud on their own, and it happens quite often. Heck, the first recorded incident of voter fraud occurred in 471 BC, and I'm pretty sure ACORN didn't have anything to do with that one.

Bill. Really? There's no argument that ACORN did this. Comparing an event in 471BC to ACORN as a defense is just plain rediculous.

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[billvon 3,008]

>So now it's the republicans fault, again.

No, it's not.

>There's no argument that ACORN did this.

Of course not. That was an example of how people commit voter fraud completely on their own, and do not need an organization (like ACORN) to 'make them do it.'

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>So now it's the republicans fault, again.

No, it's not.

>There's no argument that ACORN did this.

Of course not. That was an example of how people commit voter fraud completely on their own, and do not need an organization (like ACORN) to 'make them do it.'

That sounded differently in my head. I meant, It's a fact ACORN did this.

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[funjumper101 15]

Here is a link to a well written explanation of what ACORN is, what ACORN does, and what the results of their activities are.
If you are too lazy to read it, here is the short version - there is nothing to fear from ACORN's voter registration activities.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/15/cracking-the-acorn-case.aspx

[FallingOsh 0]

You guys are unbelievable. Voter registration fraud is illegal. That's all there is to it. I didn't say we should fear it. I didn't even say it would effect the election. It's illegal and should be punished. The fact that Obama is again tied to a questionable organization is a whole different argument.

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[kallend 2,030]

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The fact that Obama is again tied to a questionable organization is a whole different argument.

Well, McCain IS tied to the Republican Party.

Right now that is the biggest negative in the campaign.

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