kallend 2,106 #1 October 15, 2008 A parting gift from George W. Bush: www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-deficit15-2008oct15,0,7718487.story... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 October 15, 2008 Quote A parting gift from George W. Bush: www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-deficit15-2008oct15,0,7718487.story And Congress. Lest we forget little things like that... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #3 October 15, 2008 QuoteQuote A parting gift from George W. Bush: www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-deficit15-2008oct15,0,7718487.story And Congress. Lest we forget little things like that... And they were supposed to cut spending to the troops and all the norm? They had no choice but to follow the trash that had been the previous Congressional terms and of course the turd in WH. It took Clinton 8 years to change 12 years of Reagan/Bush, so it's not realistic to blame the new congress for a thing. When Dems sweep the deal this Nov, take office in Jan, then we can blame them, until then they are prisoners of this mess that Republican voters did to us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 October 15, 2008 QuoteAnd they were supposed to cut spending to the troops and all the norm? Yes. They said they would. Then they changed their minds. QuoteThey had no choice but to follow the trash that had been the previous Congressional terms Oh. They are followers and not leaders. They couldn't have said, "We were elected to do things differently, so we are." You know, the Republicans were put into office in DROVES in 1994 to change things. They did. And then they became worse than what they replaced. QuoteIt took Clinton 8 years to change 12 years of Reagan/Bush No. Clinton's first two years were a dismal failure. Then he had a Congress that was of a different party, and he AND Congress both became great. It took Clinton and a new Congress to change things. Had Clinton been up for re-election in 1994, he'd have lost if unopposed. It wasn't the shittiness of Reagan/Bush that caused the first GOP-controlled Congress since the 1950's. So, the GOP was able to say, "Here's what we're gonna do." Then they did it. The brilliance of Clinton was that he became a different president once it happened. Clinton was able to adapt to having a Congress that operated as a check on him. Bush, Jr. has had no such problem because the Democratic Congress lacks sufficient cajones to do anything. Trust me - if McCain wins, then Congress will do something. 4 years until an election won't be any good. If Obama wins, Congress will do something. It's been better for the Dems to fiddle to get a POTUS from their party. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #5 October 15, 2008 What part of "record number of filibusters by Republicans" and "We'll stop everything the Democrats try to do, then blame them for inaction" do you not understand? The rescumlicans have performed a record number of filibusters. This is spite of their threat to change the rules to prevent the Ds from filibustering them when the Rs controlled Congress. The Ds have a very slim majority that is not veto proof. So the Rs can and did prevent much of anything from happening. The Rs publically stated that their tactic was going to be exactly what they have done - filibuster practically everything and use the rules to stymie everything the Ds try to do. The Rs have been remarkably successful at preventing the Ds from accomplishing much of anything, and blaming the Ds for their inability to get much of anything done. There appear to be a lot of dumbasses who blame the Ds for the successful obstruction of progress as performed by the Rs. The Rs were very forthright in their announcement of what they planned to do after the 2006 elections. They have done exactly what they said they would. And the Corporate Media has let them get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 October 15, 2008 QuoteThe rescumlicans have performed a record number of filibusters. Really? Or were there just cloture votes? Between 1999 and 2002, there were 58 filbusters. Oh, yes. When the GOP was in power. How about that? Filibusters by Democrats. Cough. Hack. Wheeze. And yet, to hear some talk, Bush was able to do whatever he wanted despite this. Yet, Democrats cannot, I guess. QuoteSo the Rs can and did prevent much of anything from happening And the D's can prevent ANYTHING from happening. And yet, things happen. Why can't the D's stop the R's, but the R's can stop the D's. Because the D's are either: 1) chickenshit; or 2) don't want to do anything. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #7 October 16, 2008 Only 5 responses. I suppose the topic is rather like "dog bites man".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 October 16, 2008 And giving tax refunds to people who do not pay taxes will REALLY help this matter, eh? How about a new entitlement program? That'll help, right? Increasing costs of operating corporations here in the US will surely boost tax revenues, eh? That'll help, right? Pshaw! This is old news. When leftists - or right leaning folks - are ready to put EVERYTHING on the table for possible elimination or reduction, come see me. John McCain has some credibility in doing this. Leftists - zero. Nada. The Democratic party platform is a tribute to the brilliance of de Tocqueville. "Hey electorate! Here's what I can give YOU from somoebody else's pocket!" And dumbfucks everywhere are falling for it. FIDIOTS! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #9 October 16, 2008 QuoteAnd giving tax refunds to people who do not pay taxes will REALLY help this matter, eh? How about a new entitlement program? That'll help, right? Like Bush's plan for the banks? Quote Increasing costs of operating corporations here in the US will surely boost tax revenues, eh? That'll help, right? Pshaw! This is old news. When leftists - or right leaning folks - are ready to put EVERYTHING on the table for possible elimination or reduction, come see me. John McCain has some credibility in doing this. Leftists - zero. Nada. Ha ha. McCain voted against how many of Bush's record spending budgets? If McCain is as anti Bush as he now claims, how come he didn't have the courage of his convictions and become a Libertarian 8 years ago after he'd been KarlRoved?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #10 October 16, 2008 That's not what I asked you. I asked you if X, Y, or Z would help the current deficit situation. The answer is res ipsa loquitor. When you've realized that, come talk to us. McCain probably didn't become a libertarian for myriad reasons. Why the hell should he forsake the political philosophy he believes in (including the dumbfuck stupid stance against legalization of drugs) because he was torpedo'd by others in his party? Should Hillary Clinton become a Republican? If the democrats win this election should I become a racially prejudiced bigot and start supporting affirmative action? A socialist, perhaps? Don't hold your breath waiting - or do, if you like; could be cheap entertainment. Liberalism USED to be about government solutions to problems vice giving away the fucking treasury to the populace in an attempt to destroy the U.S. ala de Tocqueville. Dammit to HELL some of the ideas presented are so fucking stupid it's mind-boggling. How the HELL do you give a federal 'tax break' [sic] to 95% of the populace when 95% of the populace DOES NOT PAY FEDERAL TAXES? iT CAN'T FUCKING BE DONE!! That's welfare masked as a tax break and ANYONE with a three digit IQ availing themselves of its use realizes that. No exception. None. Zero. Face the fact. Or run from it - a fact it remains. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #11 October 16, 2008 Quote How the HELL do you give a federal 'tax break' [sic] to 95% of the populace when 95% of the populace DOES NOT PAY FEDERAL TAXES? iT CAN'T FUCKING BE DONE!! You have some proof of that claim? That there are only 15M federal taxpayers in the USA?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #12 October 16, 2008 If you'd done adequate research, you wouldn't need me to provide that, would you? Again, the answer is res ipsa loquitor. And you didn't answer my questions, either. Don't like the answers, eh? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #13 October 16, 2008 Quote If you'd done adequate research, you wouldn't need me to provide that, would you? Again, the answer is res ipsa loquitor. And you didn't answer my questions, either. Don't like the answers, eh? Just wanted to see you justify the inaccurate rubbish you posted. Must be the tequila writing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #14 October 16, 2008 No tequila tonight. keep running, Sir John. good for the heart. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #15 October 16, 2008 >How the HELL do you give a federal 'tax break' [sic] to 95% of the >populace when 95% of the populace DOES NOT PAY FEDERAL TAXES? There are around 300 million people in the US. In 2007, there were 138 million tax returns filed, roughly one per household. Of those, approximately 1/3 of them pay no federal tax. So of 300 million people, 98 million households pay federal taxes on their income. You can argue that some households have only one person, but there's no way you can get 95% out of those numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #16 October 16, 2008 Quote No tequila tonight. keep running, Sir John. good for the heart. Well, Vinny, according the Tax Foundation, 41% of Americans pay no federal income tax (not 95% as you claimed). And that includes children so the % of adults is even smaller. It also excludes various federal excise taxes that even poor people have to pay. And the states with the highest fraction of non payers are the "red" states. Funny, don't you think, that the states that whine most about taxes turn out to have the most people sponging off the system?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #17 October 16, 2008 Quote>How the HELL do you give a federal 'tax break' [sic] to 95% of the >populace when 95% of the populace DOES NOT PAY FEDERAL TAXES? There are around 300 million people in the US. In 2007, there were 138 million tax returns filed, roughly one per household. Of those, approximately 1/3 of them pay no federal tax. So of 300 million people, 98 million households pay federal taxes on their income. You can argue that some households have only one person, but there's no way you can get 95% out of those numbers. You forgot all the illegal aliens that aren't counted. You just need to add in China and the math will work out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #18 October 16, 2008 You misunderstood my wording - perhaps I could have worded it better - and then make my point for me so well. You (and Bill) state that 95% of Americans do not pay taxes...Bill says the # is 1/3 don't and you state 41% don't - neither would equate to 95% Yet a 'tax break' these people would indeed get. And you know damned good and well I'm not talking excise taxes. As I said: YOU CANNOT GIVE TAX BREAKS TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PAY TAXES! THAT IS CALLED WELFARE. NO EXCEPTIONS. Hot DAMN I am so fucking sexy. And you're still running. I'm going to go run myself, but not from a question whose answer I do not like. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 October 16, 2008 Quoteaccording the Tax Foundation, 41% of Americans pay no federal income tax how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people when only 59% pay any taxes then? bread and circuses I guess the only way to give a tax break to someone that pays zero, is to make them pay half of that. Anything more is pure welfare and would damage the economy. I guess you could pay their mortgage. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #20 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote I guess you could pay their mortgage. I think McCain has proposed that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #21 October 16, 2008 Quote You misunderstood my wording - perhaps I could have worded it better - and then make my point for me so well. You (and Bill) state that 95% of Americans do not pay taxes...Bill says the # is 1/3 don't and you state 41% don't - neither would equate to 95% Yet a 'tax break' these people would indeed get. And you know damned good and well I'm not talking excise taxes. As I said: YOU CANNOT GIVE TAX BREAKS TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PAY TAXES! THAT IS CALLED WELFARE. NO EXCEPTIONS. Hot DAMN I am so fucking sexy. And you're still running. I'm going to go run myself, but not from a question whose answer I do not like. Wow, have you been taking angry lessons from McCain?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #22 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I guess you could pay their mortgage. I think McCain has proposed that. and a few of his friends in "Congress" including another pres candidate you worship, you must be pleased to see it, it allows equal 'opportunity' for all to live in homes they can't afford ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,070 #23 October 16, 2008 >how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #24 October 16, 2008 Quote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. When the Otter has a broken engine, I'm sure you think fixing the toilet at the DZ is a good response too? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #25 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. Talk about missing the point! No-one deliberately lowers their income to the poverty level to avoid paying tax. Lots of well-off self-employed individuals and small business owners cheat on their taxes to the tune of some $160Billion per year, according to the IRS. Small business owners are the biggest source of tax cheating in the country, yet the Republicans seem to worship them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. 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kallend 2,106 #21 October 16, 2008 Quote You misunderstood my wording - perhaps I could have worded it better - and then make my point for me so well. You (and Bill) state that 95% of Americans do not pay taxes...Bill says the # is 1/3 don't and you state 41% don't - neither would equate to 95% Yet a 'tax break' these people would indeed get. And you know damned good and well I'm not talking excise taxes. As I said: YOU CANNOT GIVE TAX BREAKS TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PAY TAXES! THAT IS CALLED WELFARE. NO EXCEPTIONS. Hot DAMN I am so fucking sexy. And you're still running. I'm going to go run myself, but not from a question whose answer I do not like. Wow, have you been taking angry lessons from McCain?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I guess you could pay their mortgage. I think McCain has proposed that. and a few of his friends in "Congress" including another pres candidate you worship, you must be pleased to see it, it allows equal 'opportunity' for all to live in homes they can't afford ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,070 #23 October 16, 2008 >how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #24 October 16, 2008 Quote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. When the Otter has a broken engine, I'm sure you think fixing the toilet at the DZ is a good response too? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #25 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. Talk about missing the point! No-one deliberately lowers their income to the poverty level to avoid paying tax. Lots of well-off self-employed individuals and small business owners cheat on their taxes to the tune of some $160Billion per year, according to the IRS. Small business owners are the biggest source of tax cheating in the country, yet the Republicans seem to worship them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,070 #23 October 16, 2008 >how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 October 16, 2008 Quote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. When the Otter has a broken engine, I'm sure you think fixing the toilet at the DZ is a good response too? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #25 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote>how can Obama claim to want to give a tax break to 95% of the people >when only 59% pay any taxes then? Any american who works or spends money pays taxes. True, there are some people who don't spend any money at all; two year old children, for example. Thus, their taxes can be cut. (Even if they are not federal income taxes.) Not to say that's a good idea or that it's easy to do, of course. Yes, yes, your old argument "Oh, my local sales tax is too high ===> therefore the Feds should send me a check". specious argument - we're talking Federal Income Tax Only If you want to correct perceived issues with state or local taxes, or users fees, etc, address them directly. Having the Feds implement a sneaky form of welfare and then trying to justify it as compensating for State, Sales, Local taxes,etc, is totally slimy and takes power out of more local institutions. Talk about missing the point! No-one deliberately lowers their income to the poverty level to avoid paying tax. Lots of well-off self-employed individuals and small business owners cheat on their taxes to the tune of some $160Billion per year, according to the IRS. Small business owners are the biggest source of tax cheating in the country, yet the Republicans seem to worship them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
