tbrown 26 #1 October 16, 2008 After today's news that the McCain campaign is pulling out of Wisconsin and Maine, I'm really wondering. Apparently their dwindling resources are needed to hang onto the red states, or at least that's what the "liberal" media is reporting. Anyway, although I am an Obama supporter, I'm trying to take a step back and ask myself what this is that we're seeing. I know a lot can happen in 3 weeks, and yes, I have seen the picture of Harry Truman holding up the "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline. But at the same time I'm seriously wondering if we're witnessing the beginning of a landslide in the coming election. I think the McCain campaign is about to run off the rails. Any thoughts on this ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #2 October 16, 2008 If his smarmy, condescending, childish, and arrogant presentation of this evening are any indication of his desperation....you're probably on the right trail. At the very least in this debate, Obama defined the term "Gentleman from....." Several times during the debate, McCain reminded me of the smart-ass kid in class always raising his hand screaming "Ooo ooo ooo, choose me!" before the teacher was finished. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #3 October 16, 2008 QuoteIf his smarmy, condescending, childish, and arrogant presentation of this evening are any indication of his desperation....you're probably on the right trail. At the very least in this debate, Obama defined the term "Gentleman from....." Several times during the debate, McCain reminded me of the smart-ass kid in class always raising his hand screaming "Ooo ooo ooo, choose me!" before the teacher was finished. I thought this was McCain's best debate of the three. But no game changer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #4 October 16, 2008 Quote I thought this was McCain's best debate of the three. But no game changer. My take was that it was pretty even up to the 41 minute mark, the point at which Obama dispatched the Ayers issue. That one seemed to jerk the rug out from under McCain and it was unbalanced after that. Considering that the negative attacks seem to be backfiring, I'll be curious to see what happens over the next couple of weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #6 October 16, 2008 NoTime and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #7 October 16, 2008 Yes. Their campaign is crumbling badly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #8 October 16, 2008 I thought McCain did his best in the last debate, but it didn't look that good to be on the attack for most of the debate, and to talk about issues that the voters don't care about. Even he said he didn't care about an old washed-up terrorist. We know the public doesn't care about it. So why make it a theme of your campaign? Obama was on the defensive, but he plays a good defense. Clinton won partly because he refused to attack his opponent, even when they were attacking him. I think Obama knows that most Americans don't want to see political fighting - they want answers to their issues. Obama supplied answers - McCain supplied attacks and rhetoric. No, the McCain campaign isn't crumbling, but at this point, I doubt they can overcome their current deficit. They don't have the money, and they are taking the blame for the economic crises.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #9 October 17, 2008 The election was McCain's to lose and his side is doing a wonderful job of it. He jumped the shark when he temporarily suspended his campaign to save the US economy. He was in trouble before then but that week's follies clinched it. Landslide for Obama. Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 October 17, 2008 QuoteLandslide for Obama. "Dewey Defeats Truman"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #11 October 17, 2008 Sarah Palin was the 'beginning of the end', anything can happen but he'll need a real good trick to pull back from his rut he has put himself into."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 October 17, 2008 I'd say yes. The population likes Obama better. He is a better speaker and he has told people what they want to hear. I don't think being popular means your plans are the best however."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 October 17, 2008 QuoteSarah Palin was the 'beginning of the end', anything can happen but he'll need a real good trick to pull back from his rut he has put himself into. Not to worry too much. Those who are in the Bush Administration still have till Nov 4 to cook something up..( a nice little terrorist attack anyone??)... so there is a seemless transition for them into a McCain Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,074 #14 October 17, 2008 >Sarah Palin was the 'beginning of the end' Agreed. When you look at the better polls, they show McCain taking a slight lead when she was first picked, and everyone was excited over this gorgeous gun-totin', Joe-Six-Pack supportin' woman. Once people started to see what sort of depth she had, though, they started swinging rapidly in the other direction. It wasn't so much her lack of experience or depth as the idea that if McCain was elected, we could have a whole cabinet full of Sarah Palins, if that was an example of his best judgment. The idea of Sarah Palin as VP isn't all that onerous to me. Chances are she'll never need to take over the presidency. The idea of Sarah Palin as Secretary of State is terrifying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 October 17, 2008 QuoteThe idea of Sarah Palin as VP isn't all that onerous to me. Chances are she'll never need to take over the presidency. Statistically, the chances have worked out to roughly 1 in 5. Do we adjust to account for McCain's age & health? I'm undecided. An insurance underwriter or an actuary would probably say yes. An historian would note that Eisenhower and Reagan were both old and survived, while Garfield and JFK were still in their 40's when they died. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #16 October 17, 2008 Quote The idea of Sarah Palin as VP isn't all that onerous to me. Chances are she'll never need to take over the presidency. Probably not, but she would stand a greater chance of making the move than I'm willing to accept. Attached is my vision of a Palin cabinet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #17 October 17, 2008 As an outsider watching from aboard, and frequently travel to the U.S. for skydiving, I have heard many opinions from both sides. I have nothing but deep respect for the pluses and minuses of both, but one thing I was surprised to find out was that I read an article that mapped experience levels (number of years to politics) and there was surprisingly no co-relation between experience versus greatness, it appears seemingly random. http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html Chart: "How Good Are Experienced Presidents?" Unfortunately, for many of my scared friends, it looks like only time will tell whether the winner (whomever it is) is Great or Terrible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #18 October 18, 2008 QuoteAs an outsider watching from aboard, and frequently travel to the U.S. for skydiving, I have heard many opinions from both sides. I have nothing but deep respect for the pluses and minuses of both, but one thing I was surprised to find out was that I read an article that mapped experience levels (number of years to politics) and there was surprisingly no co-relation between experience versus greatness, it appears seemingly random. http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html Chart: "How Good Are Experienced Presidents?" Unfortunately, for many of my scared friends, it looks like only time will tell whether the winner (whomever it is) is Great or Terrible. Good point. Our greatest President had very little prior experience, yet he saw our country through it's bloodiest war - against itself. And yet managed to hold the country together, even though his own life was ended within a week of the end of that war. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 October 18, 2008 Quote yet he saw our country through it's bloodiest war - against itself. some would say that that is NOT a great thing. I mean. your own country going to war against itself under your watch. I'm just saying. It all depends on how you look at it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #20 October 19, 2008 Quote Quote yet he saw our country through it's bloodiest war - against itself. some would say that that is NOT a great thing. I mean. your own country going to war against itself under your watch. I'm just saying. It all depends on how you look at it. A lot of people hated Lincoln when he was President. Julia Grant (the General's wife) called Lincoln a butcher. Lincoln could have stood by and let our country fracture in two. From there, I think things would have gone to pieces even worse. In the end, things didn't work out the way Lincoln would have wanted. He wanted to bring the South back with all forgiven, but after his death the radical hardliners carried out a harsh and vindictive policy. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 October 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe idea of Sarah Palin as VP isn't all that onerous to me. Chances are she'll never need to take over the presidency. Statistically, the chances have worked out to roughly 1 in 5. Do we adjust to account for McCain's age & health? I'm undecided. An insurance underwriter or an actuary would probably say yes. An historian would note that Eisenhower and Reagan were both old and survived, while Garfield and JFK were still in their 40's when they died. And Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain, if I recall correctly - do you have the same fears if he should succeed to the Presidency?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #22 October 19, 2008 The evidence of the plight of the McCain campaign can be summed up in one exchange: McCain supporter: "I don't trust Obama...He's an Arab." McCain: "No, ma'am, he's a decent family man" It illustrates the extreme bigotry of the supporter which has been strongly encouraged by the campaign, and McCain's highly inappropriate response shows his prejudice against Arabs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #23 October 19, 2008 Quote Quote Quote The idea of Sarah Palin as VP isn't all that onerous to me. Chances are she'll never need to take over the presidency. Statistically, the chances have worked out to roughly 1 in 5. Do we adjust to account for McCain's age & health? I'm undecided. An insurance underwriter or an actuary would probably say yes. An historian would note that Eisenhower and Reagan were both old and survived, while Garfield and JFK were still in their 40's when they died. And Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain, if I recall correctly - do you have the same fears if he should succeed to the Presidency? Scary! And worse, Biden can't see Russia from his house. (However, he does remember how many houses he owns).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 October 19, 2008 QuoteQuote Statistically, the chances have worked out to roughly 1 in 5. Do we adjust to account for McCain's age & health? I'm undecided. An insurance underwriter or an actuary would probably say yes. An historian would note that Eisenhower and Reagan were both old and survived, while Garfield and JFK were still in their 40's when they died. And Biden is only 6 years younger than McCain, if I recall correctly - do you have the same fears if he should succeed to the Presidency? The math is different. It's the probability of him dying (which is much lower at 66 than 72) X the probability of him assuming office (which I'd guess to be less than 1 in 10). So that might be 1 in 60 or 70, rather than 1 in 5. That ignores the fact that Biden had his first press conference in running for President 20 years ago, while Palin still hasn't had one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #25 October 20, 2008 QuoteIt illustrates the extreme bigotry of the supporter which has been strongly encouraged by the campaignYou might want to look at the democrats HERE and [url "http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/" ">HERE. So, do you approve of the democrats behavior?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites