MikeForsythe 0 #1 October 17, 2008 HERETime and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #2 October 18, 2008 Actually The Post-American World is probably a book we should all read and has nothing to do with islam.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #3 October 18, 2008 QuoteHERE What a joke, this shit was already done, just waiting to pop in 2006. Furthermore, the 1st 5.5 years of your guy, your congress ran the country and your guy didn't even veto 1 bill until the stem cell bill came along, something not intrinsic with the running of the country. The came the Dems with essentially a tie in the senate and a majority in the house and they mustered 12 vetoes from Bush, 4 of which they shoved back up his ass with an override, something the Republican congress didn't do for 6 years. So your point is so ridiculous, it's like a person becoming obese for 6 years, then starting to excercize for 2, then having a heart attack and blaming the excercize. Keep trying, someone is believing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #4 October 18, 2008 In 2004 we had two bad candidates to choose from and had to go with what we hoped would be the lesser of two evils. This year we have a real candidate and one that wants to do away with everything that makes this a great country, and unfortuanately the candidate that feels he can deceive his way into the white house is going to win. This country is going to deserve everything it gets in the next four years for voting for that man. Hopefully the power will shift in the senate enough to offset the damage he causes.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #5 October 18, 2008 Without clicking the link, I feel obliged to remind you which party it was fucking the dog from 2001 through 2006 and thereby setting the table for a rebound in the opposite direction. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #6 October 18, 2008 Ah, to go back to the good old days of Joe McCarthy and the politics of fear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #7 October 18, 2008 Fear isn't always generated by the right...just ask the Russians what it was like under Stalin. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 October 18, 2008 snif snif snif SPLAT More DOOM AND GLOOM.. Mikeeee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #9 October 18, 2008 >Fear isn't always generated by the right... I actually don't see McCarthy as a right winger or a left winger. He was a brand of politics unto himself, and was more a student of Machiavelli than of either brand politics here in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #10 October 18, 2008 Thanks Jason, at least you provided some constructive input. As to the others here that still like to attack the messenger instead of the subject and offer nothing constructive to show anything that was in the presentation was not factual, all I can say is it is sad. In canine training we call this fear biting!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #11 October 18, 2008 It's all kind of unfortunate really. Any truth that may be in this little presentation is over shadowed by the lies. The mainstream media is getting almost as bad as this website. A person has to almost be a detective now a days to actually know what is going on. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #12 October 18, 2008 The sad thing Mike is we keep drifting closer and closer and no one seems to care. Social Security and the income tax were the two largest steps, and we now look at them as the norm. Government education certainly has its merits, but efforts to reform cases of dismally poor performance have met with resistance by the left. The trend toward abolishment of inheritance rights will most certainly come back under Obama and Reid/Pelosi. And now steps to control the banks. Here are Uncle Karl's ten steps. Again. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 October 18, 2008 Oh, the socialist have been in charge... You mean like G W Bush? Just how far right does your politics have to be untiol you see GWB as a Socialist? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #14 October 18, 2008 Quote Oh, the socialist have been in charge... You mean like G W Bush? Just how far right does your politics have to be untiol you see GWB as a Socialist? yes GWB has screwed the pooch on this one. when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse and then sided with them on this bailout, he is going socialist. but the big movement towards socialism will be under Obama and the dem controled congress. yep those dem's controling congress, the ones that promised to change things when they took control. they did change things and not for the better. these guys are bad mouthing Bush when they have an aprooval rating less than half of bush's. the do nothing congress will soon become the do everything to socialize the country congress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 October 18, 2008 Quote Thanks Jason, at least you provided some constructive input. As to the others here that still like to attack the messenger instead of the subject and offer nothing constructive to show anything that was in the presentation was not factual, all I can say is it is sad. In canine training we call this fear biting! Yeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. For the most part I just wanted to see what Obama was reading so looked it up. The irony is I'll likely go get the book now. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #16 October 18, 2008 Yes, I can see your point, that the Dems, who didn't have the White House or Congress from 2001 to 2006, are at fault here in a debt crisis that's been years in the making. The the huge borrow and spend policies of Bush and the GOP Congress from 2001 - 2006 were all the dems fault. Yes, that's great logic.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #17 October 18, 2008 >when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Bush proposed mailing people checks of their own money as 'stimulus.' Bush implemented the biggest new entitlement since Lyndon Johnson, the Medicare drug benefit. So if anything, the current congress hasn't done enough to stop Bush, rather than the other way around. One of the reasons I would worry about a McCain presidency; we don't need even more socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #18 October 18, 2008 QuoteYes, I can see your point, that the Dems, who didn't have the White House or Congress from 2001 to 2006, are at fault here in a debt crisis that's been years in the making. The the huge borrow and spend policies of Bush and the GOP Congress from 2001 - 2006 were all the dems fault. Yes, that's great logic. McCain has said he will change the way that things are done, veto any bill with pork, cut taxes, and freeze government spending. we all know that things aren't good right now and things need to be done but voting for a socialist government is not the answer. fixing our problems is. to many people will vote for Obama because they don't like Bush. Bad choice unless this country wants socialism and a hugh increase in welfare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #19 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteYes, I can see your point, that the Dems, who didn't have the White House or Congress from 2001 to 2006, are at fault here in a debt crisis that's been years in the making. The the huge borrow and spend policies of Bush and the GOP Congress from 2001 - 2006 were all the dems fault. Yes, that's great logic. McCain has said... . McCain says lots of things that are untrue. Take a look at factcheck.org.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #20 October 18, 2008 Quote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #21 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. UNFORTUNATELY, thanks to the examples set by Reagan and Bush, we have an economy whose foundation is a mountain of debt. That in turn means that TRUST is required to get the necessary credit to invest in any business. The obscure investment instruments and derivatives invented by the Wall St. Whiz Kids eventually made it unclear which institutions could be trusted to pay back any loans, and the trickle down effect killed the economy. Much as I also dislike bailing out the Wall St. Whiz Kids, doing nothing would have been far far worse as the economy would be completely paralyzed from top to bottom, right down to the level of small businesses like yours. Sometimes the medicine tastes vile, but you have to take it anyway.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 October 18, 2008 Maybe Socialism will be the best thing that could happen to America.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #23 October 18, 2008 QuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #24 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Honestly. Do you read how that sounds? You can disagree with Mike. But your disrespect that you show to him as a person is sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #25 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. UNFORTUNATELY, thanks to the examples set by Reagan and Bush, we have an economy whose foundation is a mountain of debt. That in turn means that TRUST is required to get the necessary credit to invest in any business. The obscure investment instruments and derivatives invented by the Wall St. Whiz Kids eventually made it unclear which institutions could be trusted to pay back any loans, and the trickle down effect killed the economy. Much as I also dislike bailing out the Wall St. Whiz Kids, doing nothing would have been far far worse as the economy would be completely paralyzed from top to bottom, right down to the level of small businesses like yours. Sometimes the medicine tastes vile, but you have to take it anyway. so you are saying bush did the right thing? the problem i have is the continued increase in spending and the promotion of welfare that Obama has promised. both of these things will create more problems and make it harder to get out of this mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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kallend 2,027 #21 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. UNFORTUNATELY, thanks to the examples set by Reagan and Bush, we have an economy whose foundation is a mountain of debt. That in turn means that TRUST is required to get the necessary credit to invest in any business. The obscure investment instruments and derivatives invented by the Wall St. Whiz Kids eventually made it unclear which institutions could be trusted to pay back any loans, and the trickle down effect killed the economy. Much as I also dislike bailing out the Wall St. Whiz Kids, doing nothing would have been far far worse as the economy would be completely paralyzed from top to bottom, right down to the level of small businesses like yours. Sometimes the medicine tastes vile, but you have to take it anyway.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 October 18, 2008 Maybe Socialism will be the best thing that could happen to America.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #23 October 18, 2008 QuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #24 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Honestly. Do you read how that sounds? You can disagree with Mike. But your disrespect that you show to him as a person is sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #25 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. UNFORTUNATELY, thanks to the examples set by Reagan and Bush, we have an economy whose foundation is a mountain of debt. That in turn means that TRUST is required to get the necessary credit to invest in any business. The obscure investment instruments and derivatives invented by the Wall St. Whiz Kids eventually made it unclear which institutions could be trusted to pay back any loans, and the trickle down effect killed the economy. Much as I also dislike bailing out the Wall St. Whiz Kids, doing nothing would have been far far worse as the economy would be completely paralyzed from top to bottom, right down to the level of small businesses like yours. Sometimes the medicine tastes vile, but you have to take it anyway. so you are saying bush did the right thing? the problem i have is the continued increase in spending and the promotion of welfare that Obama has promised. both of these things will create more problems and make it harder to get out of this mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Skyrad 0 #22 October 18, 2008 Maybe Socialism will be the best thing that could happen to America.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 October 18, 2008 QuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #24 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteYeah I figured shit would be flung in your direction. Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Honestly. Do you read how that sounds? You can disagree with Mike. But your disrespect that you show to him as a person is sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #25 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote>when he let the dem's stop him from preventing this economic colapse . . . Bush proposed the socialized banking scheme that is supposed to save the banks. Quotewhich most of us oposed and both McCain and Obama voted for. i didn't like any version of the bailout. my feelings were to let it ride and those companies that failed should have been bought by the ones that did things right. UNFORTUNATELY, thanks to the examples set by Reagan and Bush, we have an economy whose foundation is a mountain of debt. That in turn means that TRUST is required to get the necessary credit to invest in any business. The obscure investment instruments and derivatives invented by the Wall St. Whiz Kids eventually made it unclear which institutions could be trusted to pay back any loans, and the trickle down effect killed the economy. Much as I also dislike bailing out the Wall St. Whiz Kids, doing nothing would have been far far worse as the economy would be completely paralyzed from top to bottom, right down to the level of small businesses like yours. Sometimes the medicine tastes vile, but you have to take it anyway. so you are saying bush did the right thing? the problem i have is the continued increase in spending and the promotion of welfare that Obama has promised. both of these things will create more problems and make it harder to get out of this mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
