Wealth redistrubtion - the McCain way

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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So in this fairy tale, how did the defense contractors get theirs?

classic kallend re-direct. we're talking about wealth redistibution here.

How isn't that the same thing? My money going to a possible no bid contract that was chosen by looking back on the shirt tales.

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Defense contracting is the biggest form of wealth distribution in America.

no, that is not wealth redistribution. wealth redistribution is when you take money from someone rich and give it to someone who is poor.

Star Wars is a perfect example of wealth redistribution.

And when the peace dividend resulted in bases and defense contracting slowing down throughout CA in the late 80s/early 90s, that was a massive distribution of wealth.

[FallingOsh 0]

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Under Obama's plan, he'd be better off just quitting and collecting a welfare check and free healthcare.

Can you point to the part of the plan that says that? Or are you just making stuff up again?

You really need me to look up and cite Obama's healthcare plan?

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[FallingOsh 0]

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>The kid makes about $2.00 an hour, Bill.

Right! Surely you do not advocate giving him money just because he's poor. That's so - Obama-ish.

I advocate giving him money for working hard and earning it. It's not socialist to pay someone for working. Obama-ish would be giving him money for nothing.

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Nonsense! If you channel money to the CEO's instead of the servers, they do better in the end! Right? If not, better get McCain on the horn and set him straight,

If the evil corporation closes then where does that server go to work? McCain has never once even come close to saying he will take money from the employee to pay the employer.

I would really, really like you to tell me this whole story is made up for the sake of argument.

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[Lucky... 0]

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So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter had a "Say No to Socialism - Vote for McCain" button on.

Lunch was great, and afterwards the waiter dropped the bill off. I dug out exact change and gave it to him. He looked in the folder as he picked it up, and he frowned a bit.

"Let me explain about the no tip thing," I said. "I notice you are against socialism and for McCain. So you'll understand that you have no right to my money."

"But that doesn't mean I'm cheap," I said. "I'm going to take half of what I would have tipped you and give it to the CEO of Chili's. That way, the company you work for will be enriched, and as McCain has pointed out many times, that will help you."

"Further," I said, "no doubt the CEO of Chili's will make so much money that you will soon be making over a quarter million dollars a year. And at that point, you will be better off under McCain's tax plan. Heck, you could probably buy your own Chili's at that point without any onerous taxes from Obama."

"So, overall, I am helping you out far more than I would be by giving you money that doesn't belong to you."

For some odd reason, though, he didn't seem all that grateful.

Is that a true story? If so, I wouldn't eat there any time soon unless you like spit pate.

Good point tho, true or not.

[Lucky... 0]

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Wealth Redistribution the Libertarian Way

So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter had a "Vote Libertarian" button on.

Lunch was good, as was his service, and afterwards the waiter dropped the bill off. "Do you take American Express?" I asked him. "We certainly do." He looked in the folder as he picked it up, and rant the card.

He returned a couple of minutes later. I put the food bill on the Amex, and dug out five bucks for a tip, even though the bill was only twenty dollars.

"Would you like me to break that fiver?" he asked. I said. "No. Keep the five. You did a great job, so your tip is commensurate with that."

"Wow. In the last few minutes, I've had this Republican in here, who borrowed money from his kid to pay my tip. I had a Democrat who wanted to borrow money from me to tip me, but then left without paying any money because he said he couldn't afford it."

Then he said, "Thanks."

I said, "You're welcome. And here's another five bucks for the cook."

Since he was libertarian, I know that the cook actually received it.

....and then as you left the building, you found yourself having to step over the human garbage that was so pathetic they couldn't even afford a house, as they were disabled or otherwise sick and couldn't fend for themselves.

[Lucky... 0]

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> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . .

Socialist!

really? an individual giving someone money by their own choice is socialism?

No, but try stiffing them and then going back the next day for the spit souflee'...point is, the understanding is that the tip is required regardless of service quality, IOW's the RW defintion of Socialism that they subscribe to as well, they just don't admit it.

[Lucky... 0]

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So in this fairy tale, how did the defense contractors get theirs?

classic kallend re-direct. we're talking about wealth redistibution here.

And the military contractors aren't under the premise of socialism? Why not, taxes are collected and then redistributed in a big way; sounds like Socialism to me.

[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's capitalist to reward good service.


Point is, it's expected, not voluntary.

[billvon 3,073]

>I advocate giving him money for working hard and earning it.

OK. So you are for paying him a salary, but not giving him extra tips just because he's making a waiter's salary.

>If the evil corporation closes then where does that server go to work?

You're sorta making my case for me here.

Yes, and by that standard, not tipping him and sending a few bucks the CEO's way would work better. But in the real world of low wages and struggling waiters, sometimes it IS better to just give him the money.

Which is the point of all of this.

>I would really, really like you to tell me this whole story is made up for
>the sake of argument.

Of course it is. Like the original story, it is a parable. I'll generally tip waiters even if they just do their job, mainly because I was one once and appreciated it when people did it for me - and because they need the money more than I do.

[kallend 2,106]

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Under Obama's plan, he'd be better off just quitting and collecting a welfare check and free healthcare.

Can you point to the part of the plan that says that? Or are you just making stuff up again?

You really need me to look up and cite Obama's healthcare plan?

Yes, and the welfare plan too, since you mentioned welfare.

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[georgerussia 0]

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OK. So you are for paying him a salary, but not giving him extra tips just because he's making a waiter's salary.

In a socialist system there is no tipping. Nor he needs any tips, because by the government rules his salary is the same as yours. We had something like that it in Soviet Union.

So actually he'd be much better in a truly socialist system.

But you gave me a good idea. Next time I see a waiter with Obama button, I won't give him any tip, as he'll obviously agree that I need to save money now to be able to pay for his family healthcare.

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I would really, really like you to tell me this whole story is made up for the sake of argument.

Did you & Lucky seriously believe this was a literal story? I thought, based on the other threads, that it was obviously a parable.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I would really, really like you to tell me this whole story is made up for the sake of argument.

Did you & Lucky seriously believe this was a literal story? I thought, based on the other threads, that it was obviously a parable.

Ding ding ding.

It's much like the Bible (not that Bill's a prophet): fiction created to illustrate a point. Then before long you've got the Crazy McCain Rally Lady slurping it up, guys jumping outta planes w/o parachutes predicting the end of days, nuns hitting kids with rulers, all sorts of shit. It's infectious.