blueskybug 0 #1 October 23, 2008 Sorry I don't post often but i was curious if anyone had any thoughts on the following. Would it be good or bad for the country if one party controlled the white house, senate and house ? thanks all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #2 October 23, 2008 QuoteSorry I don't post often but i was curious if anyone had any thoughts on the following. Would it be good or bad for the country if one party controlled the white house, senate and house ? thanks all Well, 1 has for most of 8 years and you tell me how it's working out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 October 23, 2008 Exactly. We had it for Dubya. Bad. We had it the first couple of years of Clinton, and the voters found it intolerable. We had it for Carter. Not a good history over the last 30 years... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #4 October 23, 2008 I don't think it has worked out all that well esp when it comes to spending...But I was looking for others opinions. Care to share yours ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 October 23, 2008 QuoteExactly. We had it for Dubya. Bad. We had it the first couple of years of Clinton, and the voters found it intolerable. We had it for Carter. Not a good history over the last 30 years... Altho with Clinton that's where he laid the foundation for his tax increases with helped him with his fiscal success. I just think people were so shocked and dismayed that Clinton was elected that it was a whiplash with the 94 election cycle going huge R in congress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 October 23, 2008 QuoteI don't think it has worked out all that well esp when it comes to spending...But I was looking for others opinions. Care to share yours ? That was rhetorical. I think we lose that checks and balances thing when are 1-sided. With that said, I want us to be full-on Dem for at least 4 years so we can come closer to center, even tho it may be harmful in ways. I think the gross-conservatism we now enjoy needs to be undone and with balance we won't get there. What do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #7 October 23, 2008 Hmmm... the Barry, Harry, and Nancy Show. If that were on TV it wouldn't make it past the pilot.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #8 October 23, 2008 Sorry- computer problem I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. Also iirc during the 70's I think all 3 were under the same party but I may be wrong so feel free to correct me. While i personally won't be voting for sen Obama I have am quite interested as to how this will play out. Will this be the answer to the woes of the country or after 4 yrs will it be "we're just getting started and need more time." My hope is that something good comes out of this and I will reserve judgement until I see results. My worry is that we get more of the same but with a left spin on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 October 23, 2008 QuoteI think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. I don't think any respectable political scientist or historian would classify W as a centrist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #10 October 23, 2008 Quote Sorry- computer problem I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." Source: “A Charge to Keep”, George W. Bush p.235 Are you suggesting G.W. Bush LIED?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #11 October 23, 2008 There was a good article a few weeks ago about this subjet. I don't hav the link, but it referenced some economic statistics that supported the economy does better when one party holds the presidency and another the congress. Over the past 50 or so years, the best mix was a Democratic president and republican congress. The worst was a Democratic president and democratic congress. The reality of the last 2 years was not factored in the report because no one, not even msnbc, has enough data to figure it out yet. You might do some searching on Wall Street Journal or Financial Times. I think this particular article was in the Economist. --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #12 October 23, 2008 If he lied or not during this speech is not overly important to me. His results and actions speak louder to me. There is no need to bash GW to me, I am not his fan. Make NO mistake, I am not condoning a lie, but for me to know if it was a lie I would need to know if that was his intention. hope this makes sense.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #13 October 23, 2008 Thanks for the info. I will be sure to follow up on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 October 23, 2008 Quote You might do some searching on Wall Street Journal or Financial Times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 October 23, 2008 QuoteHmmm... the Barry, Harry, and Nancy Show. If that were on TV it wouldn't make it past the pilot. And yet the King George, Dick and Rice show made it, but the actors kept dropping out, out of embarassment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 October 23, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. I don't know how we classify them then. I do understand that people in the Republican Party want to distance themselves, but they voted him, he is a product of them; we can't divorce ourselves from our actions just because they didn't work well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also iirc during the 70's I think all 3 were under the same party but I may be wrong so feel free to correct me. All 3 of what? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.While i personally won't be voting for sen Obama I have am quite interested as to how this will play out. Will this be the answer to the woes of the country or after 4 yrs will it be "we're just getting started and need more time." It took until the 4th or 5th year of Clinton to unfuck 12 years of Reagan/Bush and they weren't nearly as bad in 12 as GWB was in 8, so it may well take into his second term if there is one to unfuck GWB;s goodies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>My hope is that something good comes out of this and I will reserve judgement until I see results. My worry is that we get more of the same but with a left spin on it. People who find themselves blaming the left or on the ready to do so crack me up. We had the worst fiscal disater with Reagan/Bush in teh 80's leading to a deep recession in the early 90's, Clinton led to a very proserous time, the answer from the right was to impeach him for a BJ and lie, then the right made fascist Ronnies/GHWB's deeds look small in 2 terms, now the RW wants to doubt Obama? That's a good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 October 23, 2008 Quote Quote Sorry- computer problem I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. "I am a conservative because I believe in the power of each individual. My philosophy trusts individuals to make the right decisions for their families and communities [instead of] from distant bureaucracies. I am a conservative because I believe government should be limited and efficient. I am a conservative because I believe in a strong national defense [and] I support free markets and free trade. I am a conservative because I believe government closest to the people governs best." Source: “A Charge to Keep”, George W. Bush p.235 Are you suggesting G.W. Bush LIED? Let's see here, Bush: - Claims he's a conservative and a Republican - Ran as a Republican all of his life, governor, president - The Republican electorate elected him twice, or so the records show - He didn't veto 1 bill in 5.5 years from a Republican congress ......... but some contend he's not a Republican Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #18 October 23, 2008 Quote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. I don't know how we classify them then. I do understand that people in the Republican Party want to distance themselves, but they voted him, he is a product of them; we can't divorce ourselves from our actions just because they didn't work well. . It's really funny watching the GOP congressional candidates' TV ads here. They are falling over themselves pointing out how they opposed Bush on this, that and the other issue, anyone would think they were Dems. Not one of them mentions being Republican in their ads, like it would be the kiss of death.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 October 23, 2008 QuoteThere was a good article a few weeks ago about this subjet. I don't hav the link, but it referenced some economic statistics that supported the economy does better when one party holds the presidency and another the congress. Over the past 50 or so years, the best mix was a Democratic president and republican congress. The worst was a Democratic president and democratic congress. The reality of the last 2 years was not factored in the report because no one, not even msnbc, has enough data to figure it out yet. You might do some searching on Wall Street Journal or Financial Times. I think this particular article was in the Economist. I read that too and the worst was a Repub/Repub. But the best was a Repub congress/Dem pres. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #20 October 23, 2008 QuoteThere was a good article a few weeks ago about this subjet. I don't hav the link, but it referenced some economic statistics that supported the economy does better when one party holds the presidency and another the congress.. Define "the economy", and what metric is used to determine if it's better or worse.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 October 23, 2008 QuoteThanks for the info. I will be sure to follow up on it. I'll do it for you: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/03/opinion/oe-kinsley3 http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/68900 The eight years of the GWB Republican administration (2001-09) have repeated almost all of the economic policies of the Coolidge administration (1923-29). GWB has been just as pro-business and pro-tax cuts for millionaires and corporations as Coolidge was. GWB has been just as opposed to government regulation of business as Coolidge was. GWB has been just as opposed to labor as Coolidge was. GWB has appointed cronies and pro-business people to all important economic positions in the government, the same as Coolidge did. The similarities between these two Republican administrations is remarkable. They are almost identical. There is little evidence that any present Republican economic policy ideology has changed in any substantial way since the 1920´s. Unfortunately for the American people, these two like-minded administrations have also produced the same unavoidable and predictable outcomes. After eight years of GWB´s pro-business anti-labor policies, the entire nation is facing the same economic conditions that existed in 1929. Another way to look at it is that some of the time presidents/parties are voted out. This was evidenced with the ouster of Ford for pardoning crook Nixon and the ouster of Carter for doing nothing. Now we see that no matter who ran for left they would win due to the Republicans demolishing this country for decades in just 8 years. You deserve the governemtn you elect. Still, laughable how anyone can advocate Republican ideals right now, astonishing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 October 23, 2008 QuoteQuote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. I don't know how we classify them then. I do understand that people in the Republican Party want to distance themselves, but they voted him, he is a product of them; we can't divorce ourselves from our actions just because they didn't work well. . It's really funny watching the GOP congressional candidates' TV ads here. They are falling over themselves pointing out how they opposed Bush on this, that and the other issue, anyone would think they were Dems. Not one of them mentions being Republican in their ads, like it would be the kiss of death. Laughable. I guess they really can't change parties w/o looking worse, so they just bought into a POS years ago that they can't shed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #23 October 23, 2008 I was refering to the pres, house and congress when you asked all 3 of what. I was merely asking a simple question. Furthermore I stated I was not a supporter of Bush. But the constant attacks and whining by some groups remind me of why I left the Dems. Is this only to say this happens on the left ? Of course not, but there is not a viable 3rd party and I haven't seen much new in over 20 yrs from my party...So what choice am I left with ? This is what got me thinking and how I arrived at my question. thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #24 October 23, 2008 >Would it be good or bad for the country if one party controlled the white >house, senate and house ? In general it's better for the country to have different parties controlling the executive and legislature. My ideal is a libertarian president, democratic house and republican senate (preferably by tiny majorities.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #25 October 23, 2008 QuoteI think that anyone that considers W to be to the right is mistaken. There, fixed it for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
