Is there a place for tolerance anymore?

[kbordson 8]

Just reviewing all these political threads....

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Of course there is! But I'm buddhist so whatever....

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Of course not. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Nor will tolerance of intolerance. Intolerance of intolerance will be tolerated, unless the intolerance is intolerance of the tolerant.

Make sense??? It would to someone who is tolerant (one who is tolerant of even intolerance).

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...Intolerance will not be tolerated...

Make sense??? It would to someone who is tolerant (one who is tolerant of even intolerance).

But... Can someone who is tolerant of intolerance truly tolerant?..

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[lawrocket 3]

Right. How much intolerance should be tolerated?

That's a big question. Think about it this way. Christians are hated because they are alleged to hate.

My belief is that people like to THINK that they are more tolerant than others. Which is a reason why the others shouldn't be tolerated. Frankly, I have a lot more respect for people who say, "This shouldn't be tolerated" because they are at least honest. Those who say, "Intolerance should not be tolerated" create an irreconcilable problem.

Tolerance is typically defined as "You should be tolerated." Instead of "I should tolerate."

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[kbordson 8]

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Tolerance is typically defined as "You should be tolerated." Instead of "I should tolerate."

That is a good point.

Thinking of all this, an image of John Lithgow as Dick Soloman on Third Rock from the Sun comes to mind.


WHY CANT YOU TOLERATE MY INTOLERANCE?!

[lawrocket 3]

That's what tolerance is! Aleister Crowley said, "“The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one's neighbor and this fact goes far to account for religious intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the people next door are headed for hell.”

What Crowley failed to note is that it works both ways! We ALL despise our neighbors!

Tolerance of intolerance IS tolerance. Intolerance of intolerance is, well, intolerance! To commend intolerance of intolerance is to make a moral judgment - which is what "tolerance" is supposed to avoid.

"I hate Christians. They are SO intolerant." I think that is fucking bullshit. It does nothing more than provide a justification for hate. People can hate niggers and find some justification. People can hate crackers and justify it. People can hate religious and justify it. Oh, yeah - justify it to themselves.

How about not wasting your time? Don't justify it. That's a cop-out. Call it what it is. "I'm a bigot. Fuck you. I hate kikes (or fags, dykes, Christians, Muslims, the rich, the poor, democrats, etc.)"

Then at least I can disagree with you but respect your honesty.

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I hate Christians. I... hate niggers and... I'm a bigot. Fuck you. I hate kikes (or fags, dykes, Christians, Muslims, the rich, the poor, democrats, etc.)

...at least I can disagree with you but respect your honesty.

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[lawrocket 3]

That isn't me. They are just the most common hates that people seek to disguise.

I don't hate anyone. Well, except myself... And Italy Soccer...

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[kallend 2,027]

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That isn't me. They are just the most common hates that people seek to disguise.

I don't hate anyone. Well, except myself... And Italy Soccer...

I hate traffic lights.

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We ALL despise our neighbors!

Hey, my neighbors are pretty cool.

Well, except for those assholes down the street who have a "Yes on Prop 8" sign in their yard.

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That isn't me. They are just the most common hates that people seek to disguise.

I don't hate anyone. Well, except myself... And Italy Soccer...

I know that isn't you, I was just playing around.

I don't hate anyone, except poodles...but I don't think they qualify as anyone since they're dogs.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[kallend 2,027]

From Libertarian Stephen Chapman's column today:

Much of Obama's address consisted of standard campaign riffs, most of which could be delivered just as well by his opponent, on timeworn topics: the plight of the middle class, the need for tax relief, the unfairness of our health-care system and the failure of economic policies that—can you guess?—"put Wall Street before Main Street."

But wait long enough, and you hear the indispensable passage, the one that transcends everything else he says. "There are no real and fake parts of this country," Obama declares. "We are not separated by the pro-America and anti-America parts of this nation—we all love this country, no matter where we live or where we come from." America's veterans, he says, "have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America—they have served the United States of America."

From the moment he vaulted into national consciousness with his inspiring speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, this theme has lain at the heart of his approach and his appeal. "We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States," he reminded us then. "We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States."

It is a message of fundamental unity and good will, at a time when politics often resembles Henry Adams' mordant description: "the systematic organization of hatreds." And it has worked especially well for Obama for several reasons. One is that, as the son of an African father and a white, Kansas-born mother, he embodies the diversity of America.

Another is that it contrasts so starkly with the message of the opposing camp. You have Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) saying "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God." You have Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) suspecting the Democratic nominee is "anti-American." You have Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin saying she loves visiting "the real America . . . [the] very pro-America areas of this great nation."

It's a strategy of fear and division, and it seems to be failing because Obama is not very scary and because the things that bind us together really are more powerful than the ones that push us apart.


This column is also interesting.

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[shropshire 0]

No there bloody isn't, so stop asking.

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[cocheese 0]

I can't tolerate Speaker's Corner. I just wasted 1/2 hour of my life trying to understand why people like to post in this forum.

The bonfire is fun and funny most of the time. SC is so negetive and angry most of the time.

Does it feel good to think you won an arguement about politics on the internet?

Does it feel good to think your opinion is the right one and you feel obligated to change other's minds so they see your brighter light?

Just trying to understand why seemingly good people love to be so arguementative and defensive in this forum. I thought they were above such evilness.

I'd rather go stick my head in the sand where it is nice and quiet.

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Does it feel good to think you won an arguement about politics on the internet?

I don't think I've ever felt like I won (or lost) an argument on here. Though occasionally, my mind has been changed by someone pointing out a flaw in my reasoning.

I try not to visit this forum if I am in a negative mood. And if I start feeling truly pissed off at anyone in here, then I know it's time to go away. I guess I read/post in here because they are topics that I am interested in, but I find that it's best to approach this forum with a sense of humor, and to try not to take anything in here too seriously.

[masterblaster72 0]

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I can't tolerate Speaker's Corner.

then don't post here...no one asked you to.

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The bonfire is fun and funny most of the time.

I think the bonfire is impossibly stupid most of the time...and I usually feel dumber after reading it.

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SC is so negetive and angry most of the time.

Actually SC can be hilarious at times, just depends on your sense of humor.

Some people should just stick to posting fluff garbage where it belongs...

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[billvon 2,991]

>Does it feel good to think you won an arguement about politics on the internet?

If you come here to "win arguments" or "make other people agree with you" you're in the wrong place.

If Speaker's Corner amuses you, great. If you feel you must post political stuff on DZ.com, and you can't help yourself, then SC is the place to do it. Otherwise there is no real reason to post here or read stuff on here. This forum was created primarily because everyone else got sick of reading the endless politics, guns and religion threads on Bonfire, not because people wanted a forum to be convinced of things.

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If you come here to "win arguments" or "make other people agree with you" you're in the wrong place.

then stop posting

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[davadikian 1]

Funny, an angry/condescending post DENYING being angry, directed at another poster. I would like to assume you are being facetious, if not well then its even funnier.

I read SC specifically for the anger, and wonder if I WERE to meet some of the SC posters in person at a DZ after jumping wound they be so argumentative and negative or is that just an internet anonymity thing. Then I try to reason, Im sure each of you are good people in your own way so I expect it would be a good experience. (no sarcasm intended)

For instance if you were to meet cocheese after jumping and he were to make the comment about SC verses why he posts in the Bonfire would you, immediately and to his face, attack the intellect of the the bonfire (and subsequently him) or would you try to explain that the SC isn't an angry place, but posters are just very passionate and it sometimes has a negative edge or tone because it is over the internet and there aren't adequate tolerance/understanding smiley faces?

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If you come here to "win arguments" or "make other people agree with you" you're in the wrong place.

then stop posting

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