kelpdiver 2 #26 October 29, 2008 Quote Quote Quote we have a truly diverse population in this fine country of ours but i do get tired of over zealous NRA types who parade THEIR views around,,, like it is the way everyone should follow... So you're against free speech for gun guys? I'm in favor of free speech for everyone, whenever it is considerate, noninflamatory, and not SHOUTed... at me...i'd be against it for 'gun guys', if they behave like "jesus freaks" or Jehovahs' Witnesses, and become unable to recognize when their "targets" are not "interested".. and thereby fail to understand when enough is enough... In those cases they can go speek Freely!!! somewhere out of MY hearing range...j So the 'free' in free speech means wherever is convenient and comfortable for you. Gotcha. This country would be very different today if that was all the speech that was allowed. I'm still confused as to why you want to talk about the 8 year old in a conversation about a mature adult being denied her right to buy a gun. Completely unrelated topics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 October 29, 2008 Quote I'm in favor of free speech for everyone, whenever it is considerate, noninflamatory, and not SHOUTed... at me...i'd be against it for 'gun guys', if they behave like "jesus freaks" or Jehovahs' Witnesses, and become unable to recognize when their "targets" are not "interested".. and thereby fail to understand when enough is enough... In those cases they can go speek Freely!!! somewhere out of MY hearing range...j just like abortionists, anti-abortionists, enviromentalists, gay rights groups, anti-gay rights groups, racial pride groups, so-called 'artists', etc? the list goes on - but you seem to be focused on only one side of the (stereotype of the) aisle seems like everyone 'parades' their views around - that's what we have to deal with to enjoy free speech - those that aren't intelligent or considerate in how they practice it ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 October 29, 2008 QuoteSo the 'free' in free speech means wherever is convenient and comfortable for you. I'm ok with that. Anyone can rant or rave about any position, I can walk away. As long as they don't illegally try to restrain me to listen when I don't feel like it. The real issue is when free speech is used as an excuse to break other laws or violate other rights. Any other scenario, I'm ok with it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMiller 1 #29 October 29, 2008 Quote hell man,, I've heard it ALL about the "right to bear arms",,, the constitutionally protected Blah Blah Blah... etc etc Damn.. THAT amendment was written hundreds of years ago,,,,,at a time when single loader muskets were the rage, and when bears and wolves and bobcats, still roamed the areas where people were living,,,,, and where the founding Fathers were aware of the need for and the value of.... " a well regulated militia" . NONE of that applies in todays world.... I M H O and to fall back on those amendment rights, as an argument in favor of bullet spraying automatic weapons,,, is NOT Fair,, and dare i say,,, ??? is ignorant...... During the LA riots of 1992, a woman was trapped on the roof of her house with dozens of of people trying to get to her and burn it down. She had an automatic machine gun, and was able to fend them off. Wouldn't have happened with a pistol I can tell you that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #30 October 29, 2008 Just like a Lib...Always wanting sumthin fo nutin.I didn't want to see you left hanging out there prof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #31 October 30, 2008 This one time, I had a bazillion people trying to come after me (I didn't say kill or harm, because I don't for sure know what their intent was), but I was able to defend myself with a nuclear bomb. My story's way better. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #32 October 30, 2008 Quote Quote We give them cars,. No-one gave me a car and I'm older than dirt. Where do I go to get my free car? Ca. Just have to prove you are illegal. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #33 October 30, 2008 QuoteI'm not a hunter but I'm not against it. However, I do like to go hiking and in SoCal there is the danger of mountain lions, wild boar, and/or bears depending on where I'm hiking. My defense? A K-bar. I'd prefer to holster my .45 but it's not legal here. Thanks. Basically that was the answer to question posed to me. Better to have defense then be eaten alive. And fuck Cali's laws. Carry concealed. I'm not much on laws if to your detriment.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #34 October 30, 2008 Quote Quote Quote 62 yo Tampa teacher shoots attacker 62 isn't old. You should attend an SOS event. I know at Elsnore that always have an ambulance lurking around at the SOS events. Did get a pic w/ Lew Sanborn and myself awhile back tho. Cool guys. I'll be joining SOS in a few. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #35 October 30, 2008 So the 'free' in free speech means wherever is convenient and comfortable for you. Gotcha. This country would be very different today if that was all the speech that was allowed. I'm still confused as to why you want to talk about the 8 year old in a conversation about a mature adult being denied her right to buy a gun. Completely unrelated topics. 1. free speech is not the same, as the listener being forced to become a 'free audience'.. sure folks can SAY whatever they like... just as you and i do, when posting to ANY thread.... i'm surely not so arrogant to think that MY comfort or lack thereof enters into it...and I never denied that right to anyone.. just said i didn't wanna hear it....which is lots different than saying THEY can't say it...2. my bad to bring up the loss of the child here.. sorry. I saw the word gun... and it reminded me of the sad episode which snuffed out the life of an 8 year old...THAT seemed to me, to make it 'related'.as to old people wanting to buy guns....?? Frankly I don't care... just as long as they don't point them at Me and at those in my life, who are important to me...... my original post here,, simply was to point out the sad results that CAN occur when someone WANTS to have a gun, but does Not know HOW to safely operate one... automatic OR Not... NOW i'm done. mea culpa jimmytavino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #36 October 30, 2008 Quotemy original post here,, simply was to point out the sad results that CAN occur when someone WANTS to have a gun, but does Not know HOW to safely operate one The same can be said for cars, planes, chainsaws, parachutes, farm machinery etc....Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #37 October 30, 2008 For those that didn't bother to click the link, here is a little more to the story, in fact the lines directly after where the OP chose to cut: Quote"I believe there was caution taken on behalf of the call taker," he said. "It was done without malice." Vansickle's purchase was eventually approved -- 10 days after the initial application -- after she and the dealer were interviewed by police about the purchase. A normal delay is three days. The sale eventually went through. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #38 October 30, 2008 >The same can be said for cars, planes, chainsaws, parachutes, farm machinery etc.... Agreed. Fortunately, with cars, planes and parachutes you get formal training/testing before you do something that could kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #39 October 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm not a hunter but I'm not against it. However, I do like to go hiking and in SoCal there is the danger of mountain lions, wild boar, and/or bears depending on where I'm hiking. My defense? A K-bar. I'd prefer to holster my .45 but it's not legal here. Thanks. Basically that was the answer to question posed to me. Better to have defense then be eaten alive. And fuck Cali's laws. Carry concealed. I'm not much on laws if to your detriment. I've considered it. Especially when making a road trip. I decided against it because it's more likely I'll get in a car accident (requiring a trip in an ambulance resulting in my handgun being found which is a felony) than it would to actually need my .45. It sucks.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #40 October 30, 2008 Quote>The same can be said for cars, planes, chainsaws, parachutes, farm machinery etc.... Agreed. Fortunately, with cars, planes and parachutes you get formal training/testing before you do something that could kill you. So you're in favor of mandatory government training/testing before citizens are allowed to purchase chainsaws and farm machinery? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #41 October 30, 2008 Quote>The same can be said for cars, planes, chainsaws, parachutes, farm machinery etc.... Agreed. Fortunately, with cars, planes and parachutes you get formal training/testing before you do something that could kill you. The kind of training Scott Lutz recieved?Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 October 30, 2008 Quote>The same can be said for cars, planes, chainsaws, parachutes, farm machinery etc.... Agreed. Fortunately, with cars, planes and parachutes you get formal training/testing before you do something that could kill you. I'd say the requirements before you can purchase a handgun in CA are steeper than those to get a learner's permit. And to buy a car you merely need money. What does it take to get a first flight lesson? $50? The instructor is there to prevent trouble, but it doesn't seem impossible for you to fuck it up beyond recovery. And you can buy a rig off ebay and head to your nearest bridge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #43 October 30, 2008 >And you can buy a rig off ebay and head to your nearest bridge. True. And you can buy a car and drive it on a private track without a license. But in those cases, once you can mess with the public (i.e. flying/jumping in public airspace, driving on public roads) the additional requirements kick in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #44 October 30, 2008 We already are required to have a certificate to purchase a firearm. Are you suggesting further requirements and to what end?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 October 30, 2008 Quote>And you can buy a rig off ebay and head to your nearest bridge. True. And you can buy a car and drive it on a private track without a license. But in those cases, once you can mess with the public (i.e. flying/jumping in public airspace, driving on public roads) the additional requirements kick in. Not really. You aren't prevented from driving that car on a public road until you are pulled over and caught for it. There has been quite a few fatal hit and runs and just fatal accidents in the Bay Area lately that come down to a kid with no license, and adults with suspended ones. You can't buy the handgun without the HSC, and without multiple forms of residency proof (utility bills). Given that I live in SF, but maintain permament residency at my family's house in Oakland, I'm not sure I can purchase a handgun now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #46 October 30, 2008 >Not really. You aren't prevented from driving that car on a public road >until you are pulled over and caught for it. True. It's tough to buy a car without a license (partly for insurance reasons) but nothing stops you from just taking Dad's car and driving around on the freeway - until you get caught, that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #47 October 30, 2008 Quote>Not really. You aren't prevented from driving that car on a public road >until you are pulled over and caught for it. True. It's tough to buy a car without a license (partly for insurance reasons) but nothing stops you from just taking Dad's car and driving around on the freeway - until you get caught, that is. Not true. I just sold my 83 Jeep Cherokee Chief yesterday and I didn't ask to see the guy's license. He gave me the money. I gave him the pink slip. At that point he is free to do what he wants with it.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 October 30, 2008 Quote>Not really. You aren't prevented from driving that car on a public road >until you are pulled over and caught for it. True. It's tough to buy a car without a license (partly for insurance reasons) but nothing stops you from just taking Dad's car and driving around on the freeway - until you get caught, that is. The last car I bought predated California's move to require proof of insurance as part of registration. Back then, I think the only time my license was shown was for the test drive. And I know people could buy a motorcycle without an M endorsement....though usually not a wise course of action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #49 October 30, 2008 >Not true. I just sold my 83 Jeep Cherokee Chief yesterday . . . Good point. Amend that to "it's tough to buy a _new_ car from a dealer without a license." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #50 October 30, 2008 I thought if you went to a dealership with cash in hand (less than 10k) then you could buy a car no questions asked.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
