quade 4 #26 November 3, 2008 QuoteFor me, the issue isn't the sudden death of McCain, it's his ability to do the job for the next 4 years. Ya know what? I really don't think McCain is nuts. I really don't think that McCain, if he did win would do anything any worse than GWB and would probably do a pretty decent job. All of that said, I think Obama is a better choice, but that doesn't mean McCain is a doddering old incompetent. Palin, on the other hand, is a big issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #27 November 4, 2008 QuoteNope not enough working days before Christmas, what with the Election, Thanks Giving (what ever that is) and Christmas shopping - who's got the time to invade another country..... best wait for spring... after the ski season and before the summer holidays start.. Jeeze, how's a guy to fit in all this imperialism crap?What about Lamp shade day??"No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 November 4, 2008 QuoteQuote (Israel)... its geographic compactness and the large number of hostile nations around it... unwilling to stake its existence on the tenets of MAD. The same could be said of Iran, surrounded as it is by states under "hostile" control and with a concentrated population and natural resources. This is probably a more fruitful conversation if you try to avoid making it about whether Iran is as good or bad as Israel. (esp when only one is advocating the destruction of the other). The land mass of the two is rather incomparable. Less than a quarter of Iranians are in the immediate vicinity of Tehran. Israel has much more to lose from a first strike, or even from a single truck carried bomb, and as I suggest, may be induced into launching its own. It's a theoretical question until Iran actually has a viable nuclear arsenal, and almost certainly Israel would strike prior to that achievement. The consequence of SDI in the 80s was somewhat similar - would a working Star Wars make a first strike against the USSR viable? And would the threat of this push the Soviets to do it ahead of time? Quote That's a possibility. Alternatively, they could follow the North Korean model, where posession of a delivery system and an apparently credible test of a nuke has actually resulted in an opening of dialogue and a reduction in tension in the area. North Korea is a broken nation, incapable of exerting influence. It's only relevant in demonstrating Iran's incentive to build a nuclear program, all the while lying about it being for power only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #29 November 4, 2008 I believe that there is a definite possibility of Israel striking Iran. Obama has stated that he would not support Israel. I could see Israel making an attack before Obama would take office so that they could still count on our support. just a theory -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #30 November 4, 2008 HOPE YOU VOTED! DON'T CARE WHO FOR, BUT VOTING IS VITAL! Quote This is probably a more fruitful conversation if you try to avoid making it about whether Iran is as good or bad as Israel. (esp when only one is advocating the destruction of the other). This discussion would only work if we are dispassionate about our feelings toward the countries discussed. I don't view either country as "Good" or "Bad". Each nation has some 60 years of recent history which has caused tensions between them. Regrettably, most of that has been caused by Britain & The US if you MUST look for who should wear the Black-Hats in this. AS to Ahmeninajad saying "The State of Israel should cease to exist", that is ambiguous & vague even for rhetoric. Quote The land mass of the two is rather incomparable. Less than a quarter of Iranians are in the immediate vicinity of Tehran. Over 70% of the Iranian population live in or near 4 cities; Tehran, Qom, Isfahan & Arvaz. Very susceptible to a first or retaliatory strike. Quote The consequence of SDI in the 80s...{/reply] Introduced the doctrine that the best defense was no defense? Yet since no-one actually has a working SDI, the "best" defense is to believe a nuclear exchange is not coherently survivable for the nation. This is supported by the fact that Israel is a nuclear power very sure of support from a superpower. If successful in acquiring nuclear weapons, then Iran would be a nuclear power with the relatively slight possibility of support by another regional nuclear power. Quote North Korea is a broken nation, incapable of exerting influence.... Yet it does exert influence, sufficient to be recognised. And for what? A missile capable of hitting the Pacific Ocean and the detonation of "something" equivalent to 5Kt of TNT. AS a result, America removes them from "The Axis of Evil" and opens negotiations despite still being at war with them!?Regards, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
