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Then think twice about who you're going to vote for. Sen. Obama is not in favor of drilling, nuclear energy, coal, etc.....the list goes on and on...the things he is in favor of are only in the interests of his power...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/02/audio-obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry/

So, have a listen to this audio and tell me what we'll do with the hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs his plan would eliminate, not to mention the millions of indirect jobs generated by the coal industry.

More than half of the power surging through the North American power grid is generated by coal.

Folks, I heard Sen. Biden's comments months ago, and was amazed that more wasn't pointed out about it. The fact that this is just now coming to light really disturbs me and it's a shame that Sen. McCain's campaign missed it.
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This country had better keep fossil fuels going for at least the next 15 years or we will end up in the dark. The long term solution is nuclear and hydro. Wind and solar are inconsistent and the USA grid is not designed to support them. The largest solar facility in the world is SEGS and it only makes 354 MW. That is nothing in the power industry. The plant that I work at makes 3,650MW. We have two new nukes that we are starting and they have a 10-12 completion date and they are approved. Try building a new nuke from start and you are looking at 20 years.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/02/audio-obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry/

So, have a listen to this audio



Uh...no.



Okay, listen to this one then, it's on the SF Chronicle, liberal enough for you?? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opinionshop/detail?&entry_id=23562

Edit to add: this one here has video: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/01/18/MNSNUH7GC.DTL&o=0
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?? McCain didn't miss it. He's blasted Obama on the offshore drilling thing several times.

By this point everything the McCain campaign can try has been exhausted. Over the next day, we will see a rehash of every major attack as McCain supporters make one last desperate attempt to tar Obama with something. I expect to see Ayers, Wright, "socialist," his birth certificate, his wife's thesis, his thesis and his suits brought up in the final day.

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Sen. Obama is not in favor of drilling, nuclear energy, coal, etc....



Yes he is.
And Malkin is a hack, but most of us know that.



You know what, I opened that fact sheet, read it...his bullet point on nuclear is non-committal at best to quote:
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Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy. Nuclear power represents more than 70 percent of our non-carbon generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is considered, key issues must be addressed...



His point about coal is 180 degrees from his statements in San Francisco.

The stated positions for oil drilling are equally ambiguous. There is no commitment to increase exploration or ease the restrictions. The off-shore ban expiration will be reinstated.
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?? McCain didn't miss it. He's blasted Obama on the offshore drilling thing several times.

By this point everything the McCain campaign can try has been exhausted. Over the next day, we will see a rehash of every major attack as McCain supporters make one last desperate attempt to tar Obama with something. I expect to see Ayers, Wright, "socialist," his birth certificate, his wife's thesis, his thesis and his suits brought up in the final day.



Seen Wright already, during Sunday Night Football and the Today Show this a.m.
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Obama is for coal as he is for christians!
People don't believe the HYPE, he is a MUSLUM MAN intende on destroying the world. Our economy will continue to fall into a deep, deep depression if he becomes president. YOU MUST REMEMBER THIS;
it is AMERICA the United STATES of AMERICA - ONE NATION UNDER GOD! NOT UNDER MUSLUMS OR alah. Get real people do not vote for this man he is a FAKE! And when he causes the coal industry to go bankrupt then you will all have wished you had done the right thing.
GOD HELP US ALL,if you vote this man in office!
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Sen. Obama is not in favor of drilling, nuclear energy, coal, etc....



Yes he is.
And Malkin is a hack, but most of us know that.



You know what, I opened that fact sheet, read it...his bullet point on nuclear is non-committal at best to quote:
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Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy. Nuclear power represents more than 70 percent of our non-carbon generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is considered, key issues must be addressed...



His point about coal is 180 degrees from his statements in San Francisco.

The stated positions for oil drilling are equally ambiguous. There is no commitment to increase exploration or ease the restrictions. The off-shore ban expiration will be reinstated.



Comment from a coal state:
wvgazette.com/News/200811030309
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Obama's energy ideas typically put more weight in pursuing the long term solution to our problems. He also wants things to be dealt with responsibly instead of giving industry the freedom to pursue policies that put their profits ahead of our needs. He wants oil companies to use the leases they have before opening up new ones but that doesn't mean that he's against drilling. He prefers conservation and efficiency in order to lower demand for the finite resource over "drill baby drill" (which is short sighted and ineffective). Look at the role that conservation has played in lowering fuel prices over the last year. It's both cheap and effective.
The nuclear, coal and oil industries will do just fine under an Obama administration. They just won't get the carte blanche they prefer. Some of their desires will probably be held hostage until more green initiatives are put into motion. It's a more responsible, bottom up approach. We'll be better off if in the long run, both financially and environmentally. "Trickle down" apparently doesn't work for energy policy either.

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?? McCain didn't miss it. He's blasted Obama on the offshore drilling thing several times.

By this point everything the McCain campaign can try has been exhausted. Over the next day, we will see a rehash of every major attack as McCain supporters make one last desperate attempt to tar Obama with something. I expect to see Ayers, Wright, "socialist," his birth certificate, his wife's thesis, his thesis and his suits brought up in the final day.



You forgot his grandmother's illegal immigrant status, his friendship with Osama bin Laden's suppliers, and *most* important, his ability to practice Jedi-like mind tricks over television, radio, and internet.

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Sen. Obama is not in favor of drilling, nuclear energy, coal, etc....



Yes he is.
And Malkin is a hack, but most of us know that.



You know what, I opened that fact sheet, read it...his bullet point on nuclear is non-committal at best to quote:
Quote

Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy. Nuclear power represents more than 70 percent of our non-carbon generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is considered, key issues must be addressed...



His point about coal is 180 degrees from his statements in San Francisco.

The stated positions for oil drilling are equally ambiguous. There is no commitment to increase exploration or ease the restrictions. The off-shore ban expiration will be reinstated.



Comment from a coal state:
wvgazette.com/News/200811030309



what about Obama's interview on the carbon tax that he said " you can still build a coal plant but why, it would bankrupt the plant with the carbon tax" and "electric rates will nessesarily skyrocket"

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>what about Obama's interview on the carbon tax that he said " you can still build
>a coal plant but why, it would bankrupt the plant with the carbon tax" and "electric
>rates will nessesarily skyrocket"

I think you are thinking of McCain there. In 2005, McCain proposed an amendment to a law that would virtually shut down the coal industry here in the US. Here's what Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) had to say about it:

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On one side of this debate, there are proposals to create a mandatory domestic program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as the amendment that will be proposed by Senator McCain, to my understanding, and I strongly urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.

It is my understanding that the amendment, according to Charles Rivers Associates, which analyzed its provisions, would cause the loss of 24,000 to 47,000 Ohio jobs, in 2010, and energy-intensive industries to shrink by 2.3 to 5.6 percent in 2020. We are talking about manufacturing industries, energy-intensive manufacturing and chemical and many others.

The McCain amendment will put coal out of business by forcing fuel switching to natural gas.
=============================
McCain's reply:

Does it involve some sacrifice on the part of the American people? Yes. ... This amendment, I am sure, will be attacked--thousands of jobs will be lost, we will find some obscure scientist, some will talk about the dangers of encouraging the use of nuclear power. The fact is, we are going to win on this issue.
=============================

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Then think twice about who you're going to vote for. Sen. Obama is not in favor of drilling, nuclear energy, coal, etc.....the list goes on and on...the things he is in favor of are only in the interests of his power...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/02/audio-obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry/

So, have a listen to this audio and tell me what we'll do with the hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs his plan would eliminate, not to mention the millions of indirect jobs generated by the coal industry.

More than half of the power surging through the North American power grid is generated by coal.

Folks, I heard Sen. Biden's comments months ago, and was amazed that more wasn't pointed out about it. The fact that this is just now coming to light really disturbs me and it's a shame that Sen. McCain's campaign missed it.

Yeah and you have Anald and Co. in Cali who have lied to the people, shut down most of the APPROVED powerhouse const. (natural gas fired w/ clean air systems) talking green while raping the citizens by forcing them to buy elec. at a way more expensive price from the coal fired plants in Nv, Nm, Utah, Co, Wy, and on and on. No side is any better. All serving their own personal agenda.
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>what about Obama's interview on the carbon tax that he said " you can still build
>a coal plant but why, it would bankrupt the plant with the carbon tax" and "electric
>rates will nessesarily skyrocket"

I think you are thinking of McCain there. In 2005, McCain proposed an amendment to a law that would virtually shut down the coal industry here in the US. Here's what Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) had to say about it:

==============================
On one side of this debate, there are proposals to create a mandatory domestic program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as the amendment that will be proposed by Senator McCain, to my understanding, and I strongly urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.

It is my understanding that the amendment, according to Charles Rivers Associates, which analyzed its provisions, would cause the loss of 24,000 to 47,000 Ohio jobs, in 2010, and energy-intensive industries to shrink by 2.3 to 5.6 percent in 2020. We are talking about manufacturing industries, energy-intensive manufacturing and chemical and many others.

The McCain amendment will put coal out of business by forcing fuel switching to natural gas.
=============================
McCain's reply:

Does it involve some sacrifice on the part of the American people? Yes. ... This amendment, I am sure, will be attacked--thousands of jobs will be lost, we will find some obscure scientist, some will talk about the dangers of encouraging the use of nuclear power. The fact is, we are going to win on this issue.
=============================



no i think Obama , the actual interview was on the news last night and unless McCain became black it had to be Obama. you can watch it herewww.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes

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>no i think Obama , the actual interview was on the news last night and
>unless McCain became black it had to be Obama

Ah, OK. So McCain and Obama now agree on coal.


no McCains policy includes brakes for coal plants to ease the switch to clean coal and nuclear. he is not looking to kill the caol industry like Obama.
www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes

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>he is not looking to kill the caol industry like Obama.

Well, let's see here. A republican senator claimed the McCain amendment would put coal out of business - and McCain agreed it would at the very least cost thousands of jobs.

Now the usual smear merchants are saying Obama wants to "kill coal" while conveniently forgetting McCain's desire to shut down coal. Bit what did Obama actually _do_? In 2006 he joined with Sen. Jim Bunning, a Kentucky Republican, to help coal companies develop liquefied coal as an alternate transportation fuel. Not even you can spin that as "trying to kill the caol industry."

I think might be time to choose another source of information beyond FOX News.

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>he is not looking to kill the caol industry like Obama.

Well, let's see here. A republican senator claimed the McCain amendment would put coal out of business - and McCain agreed it would at the very least cost thousands of jobs.

Now the usual smear merchants are saying Obama wants to "kill coal" while conveniently forgetting McCain's desire to shut down coal. Bit what did Obama actually _do_? In 2006 he joined with Sen. Jim Bunning, a Kentucky Republican, to help coal companies develop liquefied coal as an alternate transportation fuel. Not even you can spin that as "trying to kill the caol industry."

I think might be time to choose another source of information beyond FOX News.



what does the sorce have to do with Obama's own words? does what he said mean something different on CNN or MSNBC?

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>what does the sorce have to do with Obama's own words?

Both he and McCain have talked about both clean coal and emissions caps. A balanced source would point that out. (Of course, that would fail to make people angry or afraid, and at this point anger and fear is all they have left.)

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