Now That Election 08 is in the Books, What do the Obama supporters EXPECT him to do?

[rushmc 23]

I am serious. I have listened to him many times and I have no idea what he really intends to try and do so, the question.

What do you all think?

Thanks in advance

Oh, and please, be specific. Generalities do not answer anything

Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[downwardspiral 0]

This ought to be fun

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[rushmc 23]

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This ought to be fun

Might be.

I will set my expectation here before so as to not be a gotcha type thread.

So, my expectation? This thread will not last very long. In any event, I am very very curious about this.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[stitch 0]

I'm hoping with a Democrat President and a primarily Democrat Congress, we can finally bring an end to the Iraq war. That war is dragging this country down. I would like to see full troop withdrawl in the next four years. With McCain we would more than likely be there at least another decade.

I'm all for the Afganistan campaign. But, the only thing we're currently earning from the Iraq campaign is a big fat deficit, while losing thousands of good young men and women.

"No cookies for you"- GFD
"I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65
Don't be a "Racer Hater"

[Misslmperfect 0]

i voted based mostly on foreign policy, unlike a lot of people here. i have no mortgage, major debt, and i'm a full time student with a laughable income so i'm not being financially hit the way so many other are..

1st and foremost - he promised immediate action and increased pressure regarding the Darfur genocide. i'm leaving for DC on friday morning to rally at his transition team's office, and to do a little lobbying for Genocide Intervention Network Int. so we shall see. i know that's not a hot button issue for most, but still..

i REALLY do hope that he meant what he said about restoring/renewing diplomacy and especially about engaging in discussion with iran as a means to move toward stable diplomatic relations. also, uniting foreign aid workers (like me) with military personnel, and expansion of our foreign service in general (particularly to africa)..and i don't just mean money - i mean service. pakistan worries me, though.

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

[CanuckInUSA 0]

You didn't get the memo? He will be parting the Red Sea next week. But don't worry if you miss the premiere. I understand there will be daily matinees to go along with his two performances every evening.

Seriously ...

Where to start. One man didn't create all the problems the world finds itself in and one man can not fix them. I am willing (not that I have any say in the matter) to give Obama a chance to prove himself. The core of his message is a good message, but there is a lot of utopian fluff to go with it. Personally I feel Obama (or McCain) were going to be a huge improvement over the moron currently holding the job. I suspect in the short term he will be good internationally, but he sure has made a lot of domestic electioneering promises that will be difficult if not impossible to fulfill.

But with all that said:

It's the economy stupid (figure of speech) ... if the US economy continues to falter it will only snowball. Obama can not fix the economy by himself (no one person can do this), but this is where he should start. He (and a select group of his inner circle) should be attending this economic summit Bush is planning on holding. Bush is the last person the world should be listening to on this matter. Be gone GWB (with your tail between your legs), you were a disaster.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rushmc 23]

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You didn't get the memo? He will be parting the Red Sea next week. But don't worry if you miss the premiere. I understand there will be daily matinees to go along with his two performances every evening.

Seriously ...

Where to start. One man didn't create all the problems the world finds itself in and one man can not fix them. I am willing (not that I have any say in the matter) to give Obama a chance to prove himself. The core of his message is a good message, but there is a lot of utopian fluff to go with it. Personally I feel Obama (or McCain) were going to be a huge improvement over the moron currently holding the job. I suspect in the short term he will be good internationally, but he sure has made a lot of domestic electioneering promises that will be difficult if not impossible to fulfill.

But with all that said:

It's the economy stupid (figure of speech) ... if the US economy continues to falter it will only snowball. Obama can not fix the economy by himself (no one person can do this), but this is where he should start. He (and a select group of his inner circle) should be attending this economic summit Bush is planning on holding. Bush is the last person the world should be listening to on this matter. Be gone GWB (with your tail between your legs), you were a disaster.

I have always been a bit skeptic of the international bs claim.

Lookat this

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/pub-global-poll-finds-obama-preferred-countries/

As for the rest, thanks expept for the insults at the current pres you feel you need to make

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

You know I am NOT an Obama disciple. My favorite candidate lost yesterday.
I really was hoping that "NONE OF THE ABOVE" would pull the rabbit out of the hat.

But there is a major flaw in your FoxNews poll. Seems to me a poll was taken yesterday and while it was not a huge majority (only 51% of the popular vote counted so far), the majority of the 136+ million people (?) who did vote (isn't this a record?) said they preferred "Obama". So I don't know what FoxNews has been smoking, but their claim that America does not want Obama is a joke. I saw an interview not long ago where Bill O'Reilly was interviewing some Leftie and what I got from that was "they were both messed up". Oh but there is another country out there in the world that did NOT want Obama to win and that was China. China has made a lot of money off of America these last 8 years and they don't want to stop making this money. Seems to me China is going to own all of America pretty soon and as someone who lives among a lot of (recently off the boat) Chinese up here in Canuckistan let me tell you the Chinese only care about one thing. The Chinese only care about the Chinese. They have no interest in anything that is not Chinese.

As far as my comments concerning GWB, what can I say. I know billions of people around the planet also agree with me (LOL historically I have always supported the GOP candidate, but not GWB).

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[nerdgirl 0]

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I am serious. I have listened to him many times and I have no idea what he really intends to try and do so, the question.

What do you all think?

Whether I agree with all the proposed actions or not, I expect he will pursue the specific actions outline in his plan.

Also expect that he will articulate a nuclear policy as part of a Nuclear Posture Review.

Expect that he will direct the SecDef and JCS to put forth recomendations to end the Iraq War. How and under what timeline TBD in consultation with SecDef and JCS. If a SOFA is not in place by 31Dec08, there may be fewer options.

Missed ya!

Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[Squeak 17]

I would not expect HIM to do much at all.
A better question might be
What is it that you expect the DEMOCRATS to achieve

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
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How's yours doing?

[rushmc 23]

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I would not expect HIM to do much at all.
A better question might be
What is it that you expect the DEMOCRATS to achieve

Fair enough. I would accept that modification to the query.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sky722 0]

He's going to do whatever his advisors tell him to do. He's just a good speaker. Like Hillary said , the only thing he can take to the white house is his speech.

[LOSTandCRAZY 0]

Even if he does NOTHING, it can't be any worse than the last 8 years.....

Vote Libertarian!

"Get these balls!"

[TheAnvil 0]

These things - none of which I hope he accomplishes; Boortz had a good list - I merely added to it:

- The end of the secret ballot in union elections
- A return of the Fairness Doctrine. The ACLU will stand idly by and do nothing.
- A tax code punishing the wealthy, businesses, entrepreneurs, achievers. One to make Lenin/Marx proud.
- More federal government in government schools
- Universal healthcare
- Cap-and-trade policies on coal (no nuclear power, no drilling)
- Supreme Court justices who favor a vaporous idea of "fairness" over the Constitution
- end to school vouchers nation-wide
- give them funds from the Treasury in excess of what they put in
- nationalization of the energy industry (and I don't fucking support the nationalization that GWB did either!)

Probably a bunch of other things, but that's a start.

[barf]

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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[rehmwa 2]

I believe we are looking for 3 things:

hope

change

and hope


also, some change

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[richard1954 0]

What can Obama DO? Lots, as he's already shown.

1. Blame "us" -- The People -- for his future failures, as he already did in his victory speech. These are "pre-excuses" for failure, or "resetting expectations." You have to do this early since about half the population thinks he's a phony if not evil and will oppose his ambitions.

2. Claim that even two terms might not be enough to "remake America," whatever that means and whether or not we want it; and his supporters don't care what it means if it sounds cool and transcendent and "post-racial," or even "carbon neutral." Like 1. above, this clears the way for failure and conditions us to blame ourselves for his failures as a leader.

3. Demand "sacrifices" from the people who supported him, as he did in his victory speech, who are people -- victims of injustice, they think -- who thought the sacrifices would be made by Others. It's a dirty trick, and the Catholic Church has used this technique to control people for centuries, and Obama is skilled at mining history for ways to manipulate the herd (his victory speech was more or less a pastiche from Abe Lincoln and MLK speeches). And he is, if nothing else, primarily an ambitious and power-hungry man (as they must be).

4. Force The People to make those sacrifices through increased taxes across the board and decreased services -- except for more "bail outs" of his business friends, a futher-deteriorating economy, a tax revolt he'll blame on someone else, a military draft, whatever. Doesn't matter. Whatever he wants if it's touted as "Change" or "Progress." Many will shine his shoes and thank him for the freedom to do so.

5. Condition us, as Joe Biden did, that the shit will hit the fan internationally as the Beautiful, Tolerant People of the World attempt to destroy our influence and carve off our heads on TV with kitchen knives. And why shouldn't they? The adults are leaving, and the college professors and other kids are now in charge at the White House and telling everyone we are largely to blame for all bad things that happen. True, maybe, but only an idiot would SAY that unless your true allegiance was not to the U.S.

6. Suppress dissent and free speech. This is an ongoing program of "the left." They hate opposing viewpoints and want them suppressed. I have many friends of this type: Keith Olbermann is telling it like it is, MSNBC is "fair and balanced," that kind of nonsense. On the other hand, if suppression of free political speech would shut everyone up, I'm all for it.

7. Claim that "liberated" women aren't fully formed individuals if they don't think like Democrats.

8. Create endless "crises" and sell us the solutions, as the public education establishment does; solutions that always cost money but never involve smarts or wisdom, and never "solve" the supposed problem but just consume the latest gizmos or "processes" or products sold by social "scientists." And employ more government workers of questionable ability but almost certain loyalty.

[voodew1 0]

He needs to pull troops out of Iraq and send them to liberate Kenya
Stop the use of mace at his rallies so everyone will stop crying

And I love the 'yes we can chants' until he talks about false starts and sacrifices -- then silence

Good luck to us all the anti Christ has arrived

The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

[Misslmperfect 0]

Good luck to us all the anti Christ has arrived

that's being a bit dramatic, don't you think?

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

[richard1954 0]

Some of us are nervous. I want to think he's what he seems to be. I think we actually need a new start in a vague but heartfelt way. He might be the man to pull it off. We'll see how he fills his cabinet, what kind of initiatives he thinks he should push through first.

Or he's just another politician.

I've seen these guys come and go. Carter was a savior, an "outsider" who would save us from the entrenced evil manifested by Watergate. Dud. Clinton offered a new beginning of some sort but was just another politician, as the Democrats understood when they rejected Hillary.

It's always the same story, the same seduction. Reagan, too, but different message. He was needed at the time. Maybe Obama is needed now.

I really want Obama to be what he might be (who can tell). But he's potentially not a unifier, but a huge polarizer. Can he manage the Democratic House that's full of rabies?

[jclalor 12]

What were the expectations of the Gop 8 years ago?
W will go down as the worst POTUS in modern history.
If you have been betting on black for 8 years and loosing your ass why not bet on red, you still may loose but what the hell have you got to loose now.

[stitch 0]

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Some of us are nervous. I want to think he's what he seems to be. I think we actually need a new start in a vague but heartfelt way. He might be the man to pull it off. We'll see how he fills his cabinet, what kind of initiatives he thinks he should push through first.

Or he's just another politician.

I've seen these guys come and go. Carter was a savior, an "outsider" who would save us from the entrenced evil manifested by Watergate. Dud. Clinton offered a new beginning of some sort but was just another politician, as the Democrats understood when they rejected Hillary.

It's always the same story, the same seduction. Reagan, too, but different message. He was needed at the time. Maybe Obama is needed now.

I really want Obama to be what he might be (who can tell). But he's potentially not a unifier, but a huge polarizer. Can he manage the Democratic House that's full of rabies?

You have a very good clear point of view. I agree. We needed somebody to mix things up a bit. I really don't expect Obama to last more than one term.

"No cookies for you"- GFD
"I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65
Don't be a "Racer Hater"

[Amazon 7]

We now have a president that is intelligent and has a functional brain and knows how to use it. Hell even his mouth is in sync with his brain.....what a novelty.

I expect smarter foreign policy... that is not a very high bar to achieve.. its so low right now after being run into the ground that almost anything is an improvement.

[kallend 2,026]

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What can Obama DO? Lots, as he's already shown.

1. Blame "us" -- The People -- for his future failures, as he already did in his victory speech. These are "pre-excuses" for failure, or "resetting expectations." You have to do this early since about half the population thinks he's a phony if not evil and will oppose his ambitions.

2. Claim that even two terms might not be enough to "remake America," whatever that means and whether or not we want it; and his supporters don't care what it means if it sounds cool and transcendent and "post-racial," or even "carbon neutral." Like 1. above, this clears the way for failure and conditions us to blame ourselves for his failures as a leader.

3. Demand "sacrifices" from the people who supported him, as he did in his victory speech, who are people -- victims of injustice, they think -- who thought the sacrifices would be made by Others. It's a dirty trick, and the Catholic Church has used this technique to control people for centuries, and Obama is skilled at mining history for ways to manipulate the herd (his victory speech was more or less a pastiche from Abe Lincoln and MLK speeches). And he is, if nothing else, primarily an ambitious and power-hungry man (as they must be).

4. Force The People to make those sacrifices through increased taxes across the board and decreased services -- except for more "bail outs" of his business friends, a futher-deteriorating economy, a tax revolt he'll blame on someone else, a military draft, whatever. Doesn't matter. Whatever he wants if it's touted as "Change" or "Progress." Many will shine his shoes and thank him for the freedom to do so.

5. Condition us, as Joe Biden did, that the shit will hit the fan internationally as the Beautiful, Tolerant People of the World attempt to destroy our influence and carve off our heads on TV with kitchen knives. And why shouldn't they? The adults are leaving, and the college professors and other kids are now in charge at the White House and telling everyone we are largely to blame for all bad things that happen. True, maybe, but only an idiot would SAY that unless your true allegiance was not to the U.S.

6. Suppress dissent and free speech. This is an ongoing program of "the left." They hate opposing viewpoints and want them suppressed. I have many friends of this type: Keith Olbermann is telling it like it is, MSNBC is "fair and balanced," that kind of nonsense. On the other hand, if suppression of free political speech would shut everyone up, I'm all for it.

7. Claim that "liberated" women aren't fully formed individuals if they don't think like Democrats.

8. Create endless "crises" and sell us the solutions, as the public education establishment does; solutions that always cost money but never involve smarts or wisdom, and never "solve" the supposed problem but just consume the latest gizmos or "processes" or products sold by social "scientists." And employ more government workers of questionable ability but almost certain loyalty.

Sore loser #5

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[kallend 2,026]

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Good luck to us all the anti Christ has arrived

Sore loser #6

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[klingeme 1]

Should be lower taxes for 95% of us, free healthcare, and an uprising of the middle class.

What it is going to be it higher unemployment because of larger taxes on businesses small and large which will lead to job cuts and increases in the price to produce their products, thus increasing the prices of said products.

Mark Klingelhoefer