Sarah Palin stuff coming out

[jakee 1,489]

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Oh come on man. How many here have stated that it is Bush's fault the US is in such bad standing in the world?

In this thread? No-one.

Outside of this thread? I haven't been counting. See above my reasons why your one poll does not effectively counter the allegation anyway.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Please re read post #60 of this thread

Sweet freakin' jesus! Rush, in post 60 of this thread Quade mentions Bush and Bush alone - not the wider perception of America!

Oh come on man. How many here have stated that it is Bush's fault the US is in such bad standing in the world?

In post #60? Zero. Why did you want me to read post #60?

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Your poll was in 07 I believe. Looks a little different i the poll I posted.

It's extremely different, because your poll wasn't about the US World Standing! It was about the 2008 Presidential Race.

My poll showed that near the end of Bush's term, US Standing had sunk to a new low. US Standing was never even the issue here, and nobody claimed it was low, but you begged for proof that it was, so here it is.

Your poll showed that the world preferred Obama over McCain. What does that have to do with US Standing in the world?

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The vast majority of VP candidates that have ever been chosen are ones that could have just as easily ran for the Presidency themselves. Palin falls FAR below that standard. If Palin had, for example announced herself as a Presidential candidate and had slogged through the debates with others, she would have been torn apart and sent packing back to Alaska within a very short time.

All true, but hardly qualifies her as an "idiot".

Sheesh -- she can even speak in complete sentences, unlike another real idiot we'll be getting rid of in a couple months.

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I never did like her, but I think the GOP are using her as a scapegoat for their loss on Tuesday. It's too convenient that all this is now just coming up.

She did not understand her role as VP candidate. I don't mean any of the infamous gaffs where she didn't understand the job itself, I mean she 100% did not understand her role in campaigning as a VP.

Rule 1 - First, do no harm (to your own party). Never publicly disagree with the party line. NEVER contradict the Presidential candidate.

Sorry, she's an idiot.

No. She's herself. Remember that old fable about the snake needing to get across a pond? The snake asked a turtle for a ride. The turtle said, "But you'll bite me." The snake said, "If I bite you then you'll sink and since I can't swim I'll die, too."

The turtle thought well of it and gave the snake a ride. Only a few seconds into the trip across the pond, the snake bit the turtle. The turtle, quickly dying and drowning said, "Why'd you bite me?" The snake replied, "Because I'm a snake."

Palin is what she is. And she does her own thing. She's no idiot, either. Ignorant of a number of things, but no idiot. McCain chose her.

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Please re read post #60 of this thread

Here it is:

Rush, you've said some pretty wild things in your time but you have just set a new high for dead enders. How you can sit there and type that his failure has yet to be judged is almost beyond belief. His failure has been judged, not just by me or some folks here on SC, but by the vast majority of the planet who, if it were not the fact he has his finger on the largest nuclear stockpile in existence, would be calling for a war crimes trial.

That post is about BUSH. Not the USA.

So, I'll ask for the third time, where did Quade (or anybody) say either of the things you've claimed?

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the Middle east?
Did you read your link?

Yes, did you?

According to a recent BBC World Service poll of 26,000 people in 25 countries (mostly non-Arab), just 29 percent now feel the United States exerts a mainly positive influence on the world. That compares with 36 percent who felt that way a year ago and 40 percent two years ago. When asked about the U.S. military presence in the Middle East, an average of 68 percent of respondents across the 25 countries answered that it provokes more conflict than it prevents.

first of all you can't judge the long term results of bush's presidency for a long time. hoover got the blame for the depression when it was really the presidency before him that started the resession and roosevelt that sunk us deep into the depression by raising taxes.

who cares what most of the rest of the world thinks? are they looking out for our best interests? i doubt it. it really bothers me that most of the countries that don't like us like Obama.

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who cares what most of the rest of the world thinks?

I don't care about it at all. Rush simply kept asking over and over for proof of something that nobody else had even claimed, so I found an article and posted it.

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Bidens stupid statements outdid anything ANYBODY could have said. the media killed Quale for a spelling. they protected Biden and when after Palin with the same biased zeal

Yep - the media's fault

So I will ask you. Do you think the media covered Biden and Palin equally?

Actually, the press gave Palin a pretty good opportunity to shine - as the first woman on the main ticket in 24 years, she got a lot of attention (count the number of magazine covers versus Biden).

Unfortunately, that light only showed her for the unqualified candidate she was. Even compared to Quayle, who was a nice enough chap, who knew how to campaign, she was a lightweight.

BTW, if you think the tomato incident was the only gaffe of DQ's time in the White House, you've really blocked out that 4 year span. He was terrible at speaking off the cuff.

He did try to run for President, but it was pretty much DOA. Palin, who didn't even serve as VP, isn't coming back to any significance. She might try, but she's not going to get any more qualified in the next couple years. She needs to remake her image and that will only happen with a stepping stone position (like as a Cabinet member).

I do believe that Hillary Clinton, Palin, and Obama demonstrate that the era of the WH being an exclusive club for old white guys is over, so the more qualified women of the GOP should be positioning themselves over the next couple years to take a shot in 2012.

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Ok alw. Here is the deal. If she appoints herself to that crooks Senate seat i'll still pay off, begrudgingly!

$20 to the charity of our choices sound good? Something positive will finally come out of "Speakers Corner"!

2012, I say she's done, you say she's on the National political scene...you're on!

The rest of you remind us about this bet if we forget!!

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Women VP and Presidential candidates, black dudes as President...what's next...women allowed to golf at Augusta???????

[rushmc 23]

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the statement that we need to restore our standing in the world is used over and over. I simply posted a poll that shows in most countries our standing is good or fine.

Actually Rush, even the Fox news article states that only half the polled countries were strongly pro US, and more than half the countries in the poll were 1st world western nations who you would normally expect to share a lot of ideology.

If that's the only data source you have, then you'll convince no-one.

FOX reported on the poll. It was not FOX's poll. And you must not have read it as if I remember correctly the countries in the poll are listed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[kelpdiver 2]

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Women VP and Presidential candidates, black dudes as President...what's next...women allowed to golf at Augusta???????

Let's not expect miracles.

(although my candidate list for Obama's special audit list is getting pretty damn long)

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first of all you can't judge the long term results of bush's presidency for a long time. hoover got the blame for the depression when it was really the presidency before him that started the resession and roosevelt that sunk us deep into the depression by raising taxes.

History can't be judged for at least a decade. However, I think the range of results is going to be somewhere between poor and mediocre. I don't see any way that time will change our perspective to approach above average.

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If I came across as trying to put words into anyones mouth please acept my apologies. That feeling is madning to me as well.

I was paraphasing a point that comes up continually and If I came across differently I will remember this and try and do better next time

Marc

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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FOX reported on the poll. It was not FOX's poll.

I know that, Rush. It was not the reason why I said "Even the Fox news article."

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And you must not have read it as if I remember correctly the countries in the poll are listed

Yes Rush, I've read it (and the page from the guys who commissioned the poll) well enough to know which countries. If I hadn't how do you think I would know that over half of those polled were 1st world western nations? Think!

So Rush, do you really think that it is a measure of how 'good' the USA's standing is in the world when not even all of its closest allies, hell, not even it's northern neighbour, express more positive than negative sentiment towards the US?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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... "Capable of seeing past the complexities to the underlying simplicities." (John Lewis Gaddis c.2002).

Oooh ... just relishing the Gaddis quote.

In Surprise, Security, and the American Experience, Gaddis does a lot of commenting (as well as hedging on the achknowledgement of need for time to pass) on President GW Bush's approach to spreading democracy and conbating terrorism: "The grandness of a strategy, however, by no means ensures its success."

VR/Marg

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... "Capable of seeing past the complexities to the underlying simplicities." (John Lewis Gaddis c.2002).

Oooh ... just relishing the Gaddis quote.

Thank you.

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..: "The grandness of a strategy, however, by no means ensures its success.

Wasn't that originally said against Winston Churchill (on The Dardanelles Campaign)?.. But would equally apply to him for Norway in 1940 and Arnhem in 1944.

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..: "The grandness of a strategy, however, by no means ensures its success.

Wasn't that originally said against Winston Churchill (on The Dardanelles Campaign)?.. But would equally apply to him for Norway in 1940 and Arnhem in 1944.

It may have been. It's p. 94 in the JLG book I cited.

The longer passage on pages 116-118 (which unfortunately are not available through Google books) resonates more strongly with me. On the value of hope (references Presidents Lincoln, Wilson, & FDR); responsibility: "Our ability as a democracy to question all values depends on our faith in and our determination to defend certain values" (he doesn't specify them); the sin of pride: "you can't sustain hegemony without consent" (tempering American exceptionalism ... ealier in the book he cites Fareed Zakaria as well); and strategic communications, although Gaddis doesn't use that term.

VR/Marg

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[rushmc 23]

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FOX reported on the poll. It was not FOX's poll.

I know that, Rush. It was not the reason why I said "Even the Fox news article."

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And you must not have read it as if I remember correctly the countries in the poll are listed

Yes Rush, I've read it (and the page from the guys who commissioned the poll) well enough to know which countries. If I hadn't how do you think I would know that over half of those polled were 1st world western nations? Think!

So Rush, do you really think that it is a measure of how 'good' the USA's standing is in the world when not even all of its closest allies, hell, not even it's northern neighbour, express more positive than negative sentiment towards the US?

NO, I dont. And that is my point. There is only the words. There is no true measure. Only those that say we are hated because that is what they think or need to believe!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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are we really that bad off, that we'd stoop to selecting someone to be the vice president of this country, someone who could become the PRESIDENT, that needs to be freaking tutored on basic geography, history, and political structures?

You to young to remember Quayle?

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are we really that bad off, that we'd stoop to selecting someone to be the vice president of this country, someone who could become the PRESIDENT, that needs to be freaking tutored on basic geography, history, and political structures?

You to young to remember Quayle?

LOL! Most people who voted in that election couldn't remember who he was while he was in office. I had totally forgotten about him, but now that you mention it, Palin is kinda like a female version of him. Intelligence-wise, anyway.

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[jakee 1,489]

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NO, I dont. And that is my point.

Your point is that you've cited an article that doesn't say what you said it says? What?

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There is no true measure. Only those that say we are hated because that is what they thing or need to believe!

But haven't you just admitted that your poll doesn't contradict that opinion?

I'd forgotten what a tortured path Rush-logic can take if one tries to follow it...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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NO, I dont. And that is my point.

Your point is that you've cited an article that doesn't say what you said it says? What?

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There is no true measure. Only those that say we are hated because that is what they thing or need to believe!

But haven't you just admitted that your poll doesn't contradict that opinion?

I'd forgotten what a tortured path Rush-logic can take if one tries to follow it...

No, I have not. I have gotten YOU to ask the question though now havent I

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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No, I have not. I have gotten YOU to ask the question though now havent I

By being completely incomprehensible, yes. Yes you have.

Well done?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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No, I have not. I have gotten YOU to ask the question though now havent I

By being completely incomprehensible, yes. Yes you have.

Well done?

Can YOU prove either side of the debate?

Not a chance. What I posted was bait.. you took it.

The comments around the US as hated or, lesser in the world or are diminished are subjective bull shit. Based on subject emotion (from the left anyway)

thanks for helping me with my point. You did well grasshopper

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln