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Answer a question. Any question...



I answered the question you asked. Not my problem if you lack the intelligence to understand a simple causal relationship.
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I've pointed out several times that you've posted two contradictory causal relationships.

I was also just pointing out that your constant bitching only serves to highlight that I've been the one trying to discuss this with you, and you've been the one whinging, evading, insulting and generally leaving actual discussion as a very last resort. It's hilarious that you can't see that.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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what is spiritual truth?



It is the Wisdom and Reality of God. Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when God is removed from our lives.


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Says who?
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Evolution to is not only full of holes but it has yet to be observed and tested as well



Lie.

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no-one has even conjured up an idea to even begin to explain how life arose from non-life.



Lie.

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On the other hand evolution requires that you not only ignore such evidence



Lie.

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(one evolutionist, Richard Dawkins, admitted to the existance of evidence in the cell that pointed to a creator but said those signs were placed there by aliens that put us here and the aliens obviously evolved



Hilarious lie.

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http://www.icr.org/article/773/



Nonsense article attacking a barely recognisable, distorted strawman of evolutionary theory.

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2. Believe what you want but don't attack others because they don't beleive the same; particularly when you are ignorant (this simply means you don't know the information) of such subjects.



Believe me, the ignorance here goes in only one direction.

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The few references I have given are only the beginning of the information lies out there.



Fixed it.



They're supposedly all lies yet you provide no evidence that they are.....I don't have that kind of faith to accept anything without evidence.



Lots of evidence. You are either unwilling or unable to go get it. There has been hundreds of years of research by many thousands of very well studied people; but you flippantly discard it as "no evidence."

That tells me you have a belief that prevents you from accepting anything that counters it as evidence. Essentially, your definition of evidence is anything that supports your point of view.
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The word "true" was used in a sarcastic manner. Sorry if it caused you any confusion.



You're correct that sarcasm is frequently difficult to read over the internet ... perhaps that's a lesson that applies across the board, eh? :)
What was your intention in your statement then?

VR/Marg


The remark was made to mock those (not just here in the forum) who feel anyone who holds any beliefs outside those that can be tested is a fool.


I'd say it's more like if you hold beliefs which can be tested, and are shown to be BS, then you hold foolish beliefs - - which really destroys your overall credibility.

Example. When I hear someone declare the Earth to be 4000 years old. I think that here is a person that seems otherwise reasonably smart, but that has a dogmatic belief proven to be absolute BS that they will not let go. What other beliefs and values do they hold that have the potential to destroy their judgement and how might that manifest itself?
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Logic is a linguistic device with no relation to reality or decision making.

There is nothing logical about the universe.



Explain that statement.

Logic is a tool. It is not a characteristic that the Universe can have or not have.

Logic is a tool used by humans as part of their attempts to discover facts.

Put it this way; I could say there is nothing illogical about the Universe. They are both pretty meaningless statements.
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Absolutely. Religion is about as logical as the toothe fairy, but I don't look down upon those who practice religion unless they try forcing it upon me.



Good point.

Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Great Pumpkin, etc?

If no, why not?
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I've pointed out several times that you've posted two contradictory causal relationships.

I was also just pointing out that your constant bitching only serves to highlight that I've been the one trying to discuss this with you, and you've been the one whinging, evading, insulting and generally leaving actual discussion as a very last resort. It's hilarious that you can't see that.



You're the one doing the bitchin'. You asked, I answered. The answer was not to your liking so you whine like a little baby until I offer to clear it up for you and you STILL don't like it. If you see some contradiction in my remarks then I guess you do. But the whole evolutuonary sequence I put forth is the same....logic slowly displaces emotion until no emotion is left. What you find so hard to understand about that very simple idea is beyond me.
Now, one more time, go troll someone else.
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(Sigh) 121 replies and not one on topic. What did you think of the film? Do you think we can find a cure for Christianity some day?



I wouldn't call it a cure, but belief is definitely on the wain. Humans lived for many tens of thousands of years without anything like religion. Religion morphed out of respect for living elders which led to respect for dead elders which led to worship.

As survival became more a matter of learning and accumulated knowledge, worship and the dogmatic beliefs that accompany it became less relevant. Today they are matters of ritual, adding no knowledge or information.

It took thousands of years (roughly 10K) to go from beginning to quickly waining. Change happens very slowly; one death at a time as a famous man once put it.

A few hundred more years, maybe faster given that the one constant we seem to be able to count on is the acceleration of change, and religion will most likely be settled back where it belongs, in the realm of spirituality; with no say whatsoever on the realities of the natural world.

There is a place for spirituality, but organized religion has clearly stepped way out of those bounds; insisting on all kinds of silly bullshit it can not back up with anything more than "cuz."

It would be so interesting to see how society evolves over the next 20 or 30 generations; but in accordance with what the man once said, if we do not die, change is stifled.
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OK, now that I have caught up, what is whinging?

Whining and winging?
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I offer to clear it up for you and you STILL don't like it.



I'm just pointing out that you haven't cleared it up. Depending which post of yours we look at, you profess to believe that a) logic will take over as a result of religion disappearing and b) religion will disappear as a result logic taking over through human evolution.

You still haven't explained what you really mean by technology governing all choices (unless you genuinely think "we artificially inseminate cows" is an answer).

You haven't explained why you think humans will evolve into this new, fully rational and logical creature either. Again, have you seen who's doing all the breeding these days? It's just scary!

Oh, and you're still trying to tell me what i can and can't say. Thought you said you weren't doing that?
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"It is the Wisdom and Reality of God. Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when God is removed from our lives. "

Conisder what happens when I change one word in your sttament:
It is the Wisdom and Reality of Thor . Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when Thor is removed from our lives.

I think we would agree that this is not a very serious statement. As there is no more evidence for god as there is for Thor then your statment hsould not be seen any differently.

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I offer to clear it up for you and you STILL don't like it.



I'm just pointing out that you haven't cleared it up. Depending which post of yours we look at, you profess to believe that a) logic will take over as a result of religion disappearing and b) religion will disappear as a result logic taking over through human evolution.

You still haven't explained what you really mean by technology governing all choices (unless you genuinely think "we artificially inseminate cows" is an answer).

You haven't explained why you think humans will evolve into this new, fully rational and logical creature either. Again, have you seen who's doing all the breeding these days? It's just scary!

Oh, and you're still trying to tell me what i can and can't say. Thought you said you weren't doing that?



I have addressed all the specifics you listed here. Whether or not you understand them is your river to cross. If you actually read what I wrote you will understand that what you listed as b) is the the closest you have come yet to understanding what I have been trying to get across to you. I have never said that religion will just disappear.
Why the obsession with the intricate details of my opinion? You do seem to be obsessed. Does it have that much of effect on your life? Are still pissed off because I chastised you for dissing the victims of the Russian sub tragedy?
And, once again, I don't care what you post. You have the rights you were born with to post whatever the hell you want. It's not my place to tell what you can or can't write. That is the job of the mods.
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I have addressed all the specifics you listed here.



No you haven't. What have you said to back up your prediction that humans will evolve into purely rational, unemtional beings? Yet again for the cheap seats, do you really think it's the intelligent and rational folk that are keeping the birth rate up?

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Are still pissed off because I chastised you for dissing the victims of the Russian sub tragedy?



Not at all. I thought your misdirected show of righteous anger was frankly hilarious.:D

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And, once again, I don't care what you post.



And yet here you are, still on the hook.;)
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I have addressed all the specifics you listed here.



No you haven't. What have you said to back up your prediction that humans will evolve into purely rational, unemtional beings? Yet again for the cheap seats, do you really think it's the intelligent and rational folk that are keeping the birth rate up?

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Are still pissed off because I chastised you for dissing the victims of the Russian sub tragedy?



Not at all. I thought your misdirected show of righteous anger was frankly hilarious.:D

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And, once again, I don't care what you post.



And yet here you are, still on the hook.;)


And I happen to think your obsession with my opinion is funny, especially since you just can't seem to understand what my dog finds to be quite basic. (She's chuckling at you as I write.)
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You have conversations with your dog? That explains a lot;)



Yep. But at least I don't have to troll internet forums to engage in some form of conversation. ;)

You still haven't even attempted to answer why you are so obsessed with my opinion. Honestly, it's just an opinion. Nothing more. I'm sure it won't have an effect on your life in any way unless you let it.
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I'm not bothered by your opinion. It's fairly obviously ridiculous.

I just like the lengths you go to to defend it from criticism while refusing to actually discuss the opinion itself, just maligning the character of anyone who dares to disagree with it. I like the way you contradict yourself with every post, claiming not to care about the conversation, but coming back over and over again, swearing and shouting and attacking left right and centre. I like how someone who's (I'm fairly sure) previous username was banned and who has never posted a skydiving related comment or ventured into a skydiving forum has the nerve to talk about trolling this place. All in all, I think this conversation is a lot of fun. Why are you still here?
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what is spiritual truth ?
It is the Wisdom and Reality of God. Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when God is removed from our lives.

Says who?



Why, God of course. He wrote a Book, you ought to read it sometime without presupposing what it might say.

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Conisder what happens when I change one word in your sttament:
It is the Wisdom and Reality of Thor . Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when Thor is removed from our lives.

I think we would agree that this is not a very serious statement. As there is no more evidence for god as there is for Thor then your statment hsould not be seen any differently.



You can change the name of God to anything you like, God is still God. For me it is much more logical to pin the singularity that started this whole experience on an existing God than the god of chance occurrence. Plus the existing God has provided me, personally, with profound psychological coping skills that has made my life much richer than what is was before I knew Him.

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I'm not bothered by your opinion. It's fairly obviously ridiculous.

I just like the lengths you go to to defend it from criticism while refusing to actually discuss the opinion itself, just maligning the character of anyone who dares to disagree with it. I like the way you contradict yourself with every post, claiming not to care about the conversation, but coming back over and over again, swearing and shouting and attacking left right and centre. I like how someone who's (I'm fairly sure) previous username was banned and who has never posted a skydiving related comment or ventured into a skydiving forum has the nerve to talk about trolling this place. All in all, I think this conversation is a lot of fun. Why are you still here?



Your continued postings and inquiries into my thoughts and reasoning contradict your disclaimers.
You are free to disagree with me. You are free to question me. However, don't get your panties in a wad when you don't like my answers.
Now run off to recess. I'm sure the other children miss having you to pick on.
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At this stage I'm not questioning because of your opinion, but because it's funny watching you squirm about and get so hot and bothered. BTW, here's a tip: trying to take the moral high ground while insulting someone - really not that impressive.
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OK, now that I have caught up, what is whinging?

Whining and winging?



www.answers.com/topic/whine

www.answers.com/whinging



Thank you; I'd never heard the term whinge. Thought it was one of those slang internet terms.
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what is spiritual truth ?
It is the Wisdom and Reality of God. Who is the creative and sustaining force of the universe. It is antithetical to the wisdom and reality we create when God is removed from our lives.

Says who?



Why, God of course. He wrote a Book, you ought to read it sometime without presupposing what it might say.

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Read it. Interesting book, good stories; but not something to be read as literal truth. Good at providing some lessons, preposterously bad as a source for practical information.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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