gun ownership in the USA

[gregpso 1]

I have been to the States a couple of times for great holidays. Would I be right in saying that when walking around most cities a lot of people would be carrying hand guns.. or have them in their cars etc. What about walking around Disneyland or going to las Vegas would alot of people be carrying firearms or is that just a myth and people just have them at home. Not a joke just wondering.

I tend to be a bit different. enjoyed my time in the sport or is it an industry these days ??

[CornishChris 5]

I personally think your questions lies at the heart of the argument for allowing guns - i.e. you really don't know who might be 'packing heat' and who isn't, especially in areas where concealed carry is allowed...

Doesn't answer you though.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[Misslmperfect 0]

your best bet is to research that particular state's gun laws. not every state has a concealed weapons program...i think my dad told me the other day that around 30 states have laws allowing concealed weapons.

generally, and i'm not speaking with ANY authority here (going off memory from my CHL class here in texas a while back), weapons are not allowed in federal buildings, hospitals, public schools...and after that, its the business owner's discretion as to whether they allow them or not. that's a very broad statement, though.

i would imagine that a place like disneyland/world has very strict rules against firearms. most large venues like that do. (i think). and if i remember correctly, you can't have guns w/in a certain distance of the strip in vegas.

again, if its a concern for you i'd definitely research the area first.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I have been to the States a couple of times for great holidays. Would I be right in saying that when walking around most cities a lot of people would be carrying hand guns.. or have them in their cars etc. What about walking around Disneyland or going to las Vegas would alot of people be carrying firearms or is that just a myth and people just have them at home. Not a joke just wondering.

It depends on where you go. In low crime areas more people have legal concealed handguns. In high crime areas fewer people do. In cesspools like Washington DC only the criminals (elected and otherwise) have guns and there's an unusually high chance you'll be murdered.

Disney Land is in California where people don't like guns and generally only the politically connected can get concealed carry permits so you have to be careful. California has problems with take overs where armed criminals walk into businesses, rob everyone there, and wait around for more victims to show up. People don't get shot too often though.

In more sensible places like Texas and Florida where all law abiding citizens can carry concealed firearms there are fewer problems. When Florida passed its concealed carry law, many criminals limited their activities to victims driving rental cars. Florida then got rid of the distinctive rental car plates to keep the tourists safe. Confrontational crimes went down and the criminals switched to stealing from unoccupied homes and cars but that's OK - something gets stolen, you file an insurance claim, and get it replaced. You don't suffer any sort of lasting physical or psychological damage from the experience.

Places like Disney World don't like guns. I'd be more worried there since criminals prefer unarmed victims.

Practically speaking, if you're white and only have an average chance of being involved in the drug trade, love triangles, and youth gangs you're less likely to be murdered in an American city where any law abiding adult can carry a concealed handgun than a similar sized city across the border in Canada where they don't like handguns. Avoiding those risk factors (don't join the Crips, don't have an affair with a married person, and don't do drugs) makes things a lot like Europe.

But that only tells part of the tale. In gun-free places like the UK you're 50% more likely to be a violent crime victim (including minor things like assault and rape) than cesspools like DC, 4 times as likely as someplace like California, and 10 times as likely as rural gun-owning states.

[unformed 0]

I live in Chicago so I kinda of know what it's like in a big city.

Everybody has handguns on them all the time. Here, there's no concealed weapons permits, so we have to wear the gun in a holster where it's completely visible. So, whenever you're walking around the city you'll see everyone carrying guns. It's nothing to be alarmed about though .... nothing really happens as long as you keep your wits about you and don't talk back to somebody.

I'd also stay in the nicer areas. That shadier areas have a gunfight or two every week. Nothing usually happens because everyone is too drunk to shoot straight, but I know how scared foreigners get, so it would just be best to stay in the areas where the gunfights aren't very often.

Let me know if you have any other questions ... I'll be more than happy to help.

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[normiss 806]

Concealed Carry in US
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[beowulf 1]

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[Darius11 12]

No,Being a former foreigner my self I know what a lot of people think about how America is. It is nothing like the Wild West where there is gun shots everywhere. I used to live in New York, and now I live in Rhode Island. New York as strict gun laws (too strict), and Rhode Island has less strict gun laws. I have never seen any one shot (in the US), or been shot at (in the US), or have seen anyone with guns other then police.

Most people who do have concealed licenses make sure their weapon stays concealed and will most likely never use their weapon in public, and if they do you will most likely be happy that they did.

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[Andrewwhyte 1]

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Practically speaking, if you're white and only have an average chance of being involved in the drug trade, love triangles, and youth gangs you're less likely to be murdered in an American city where any law abiding adult can carry a concealed handgun than a similar sized city across the border in Canada where they don't like handguns. Avoiding those risk factors (don't join the Crips, don't have an affair with a married person, and don't do drugs) makes things a lot like Europe.

I take it you are not factoring out the drug/gang/domestic dispute murders in the Canadian cities. If you were your your claim would fail.

[councilman24 37]

As you look at concealed carry license statistics, recognize that most people with a license don't normally carry.




Or maybe we do.

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[millertime24 8]

I would say it really depends on where you are. I dont usually carry my Glock around, but if I'm going on a road trip then I'll stash it in the car for safety purposes. Generally though I try to avoid areas where I would deem it neccesary to have a gun on my person at all times. That help?

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[kallend 2,027]

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In more sensible places like Texas and Florida where all law abiding citizens can carry concealed firearms there are fewer problems.

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But that only tells part of the tale. In gun-free places like the UK you're 50% more likely to be a violent crime victim (including minor things like assault and rape) than cesspools like DC, 4 times as likely as someplace like California, and 10 times as likely as rural gun-owning states.

Comparing nations or states to cities is apples to oranges. Please post a reliable source for your claims.

According to the FBI for 2007, FL has a violent crime rate of 722 per 100k and TX is 510, while NY has 414, NJ has 329, WI 290 and IL 533.

And the homicide rate is 3 times higher (per 100k) in the US as in the UK.

Some homicide rates (per 100k) for 2007:

GA 7.5
FL 6.6
CA 6.2
TX 5.9
IL 5.9
WI 3.3
NY 4.2
UK 1.4

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[normiss 806]

Is this the same FBI that provided some terrorist intel of which you speak?

[mnealtx 0]

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In more sensible places like Texas and Florida where all law abiding citizens can carry concealed firearms there are fewer problems.

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But that only tells part of the tale. In gun-free places like the UK you're 50% more likely to be a violent crime victim (including minor things like assault and rape) than cesspools like DC, 4 times as likely as someplace like California, and 10 times as likely as rural gun-owning states.

Comparing nations or states to cities is apples to oranges. Please post a reliable source for your claims.

According to the FBI for 2007, FL has a violent crime rate of 722 per 100k and TX is 510, while NY has 414, NJ has 329, WI 290 and IL 533.

And the homicide rate is 3 times higher (per 100k) in the US as in the UK.

Great - now prove it's because of the guns, and not societal / gang issues.

Mike
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[kallend 2,027]

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In more sensible places like Texas and Florida where all law abiding citizens can carry concealed firearms there are fewer problems.

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But that only tells part of the tale. In gun-free places like the UK you're 50% more likely to be a violent crime victim (including minor things like assault and rape) than cesspools like DC, 4 times as likely as someplace like California, and 10 times as likely as rural gun-owning states.

Comparing nations or states to cities is apples to oranges. Please post a reliable source for your claims.

According to the FBI for 2007, FL has a violent crime rate of 722 per 100k and TX is 510, while NY has 414, NJ has 329, WI 290 and IL 533.

And the homicide rate is 3 times higher (per 100k) in the US as in the UK.

Great - now prove it's because of the guns, and not societal / gang issues.

You make your own excuses.

UK has gangs and drugs too, but the US murder rate is 3x higher.

IL, NY, and NJ have gangs too, but the FL, TX and GA and SC murder rates are higher.

Even idyllic Vermont, Maine, Wyoming, Hawaii and Idaho have murder rates higher than the highly urban UK.

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[mnealtx 0]

Then you should have NO problems providing valid PROOF it's because of the presence of guns, shouldn't you?

Here - I'll even give you a link to help. Watch carefully, though!

clicky

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[downwardspiral 0]

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Here - I'll even give you a link to help. Watch carefully, though!

clicky

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[kallend 2,027]

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Then you should have NO problems providing valid PROOF it's because of the presence of guns, shouldn't you?

Here - I'll even give you a link to help. Watch carefully, though!

clicky

If you feel it necessary to make excuses for the FBI data, please go ahead although it does make you seem defensive; I WONDER WHY!

I simply corrected Drew's statement.

Lookie again at homicide rates (given above):


Now, if you're claiming the higher rates in GA, FL, TX and SC are due to gangs and social problems not found in the UK, NJ, NY, CA, IL and WI, you'll just look silly.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Then you should have NO problems providing valid PROOF it's because of the presence of guns, shouldn't you?

Here - I'll even give you a link to help. Watch carefully, though!

clicky

If you feel it necessary to make excuses for the FBI data, please go ahead although it does make you seem defensive; I WONDER WHY!

I simply corrected Drew's statement.

Lookie again at homicide rates (given above):


Now, if you're claiming the higher rates in GA, FL, TX and SC are due to gangs and social problems not found in the UK, NJ, NY, CA, IL and WI, you'll just look silly.

So prove it. As I recall, YOU were the one talking about VA guns and DC crimes... or was it the lawyers and congresscritters? I don't recall, now.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[SkyjunkySean 0]

I can't speak for everyone else, or the statistics spoken of. When I travel from the "safety" of my home town I carry a gun. I feel it equalizes the playing field a little. just my two cents

[quade 4]

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I have been to the States a couple of times for great holidays. Would I be right in saying that when walking around most cities a lot of people would be carrying hand guns.. or have them in their cars etc.

Depends on the part of the country you're talking about, but generally no. While the US does have a LOT of guns, they are generally not carried around all that much for various reasons.

I have walked the streets of just about every major city at night and at no time have I ever felt the "need" to carry a gun.

That said, there are some areas in some cities, you just don't go into at night. Avoid those and you avoid 80% of all violent crime.

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What about walking around Disneyland or going to las Vegas would alot of people be carrying firearms or is that just a myth and people just have them at home. Not a joke just wondering.

Disneyland is different than Vegas.

Disneyland . . . really if you feel like you "need" to carry a gun there you might as well hole in and wait for the apocalypse. Besides which, due to national security reasons, they aren't going to let you take one in anyway. All bags are searched and you better have a damn good reason for carrying one and even then I don't think you're allowed unless you're law enforcement, on duty and can prove it.

Vegas . . . probably one of the safest places on the planet in in a Vegas casino. Walking down a dark ally at night isn't advised, but as long as you're in the casino areas, ain't NOBODY going to do anything.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 2,027]

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Then you should have NO problems providing valid PROOF it's because of the presence of guns, shouldn't you?

Here - I'll even give you a link to help. Watch carefully, though!

clicky

If you feel it necessary to make excuses for the FBI data, please go ahead although it does make you seem defensive; I WONDER WHY!

I simply corrected Drew's statement.

Lookie again at homicide rates (given above):


Now, if you're claiming the higher rates in GA, FL, TX and SC are due to gangs and social problems not found in the UK, NJ, NY, CA, IL and WI, you'll just look silly.

So prove it. As I recall, YOU were the one talking about VA guns and DC crimes... or was it the lawyers and congresscritters? I don't recall, now.

I don't have to prove anything - the numbers speak for themselves.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

no. The majority of Americans do not own a gun, much less carry one around.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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no. The majority of Americans do not own a gun, much less carry one around.

Direct, concise and to the point.
Completely outside the spirit of SC.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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no. The majority of Americans do not own a gun, much less carry one around.

39% of American homes have firearms. Our homicide rate is 8.95/100K. In Canada, 29.5% of the homes have firearms, about 3/4's as many, yet their homicide rate is 1.99/100K, or less than a 1/4 of ours. There are obviously more factors than gun ownership. We live in a violent, socially divided country. My guns that I carry are not the cause of this.