ChasingBlueSky 0 #26 November 19, 2008 Quote So Obama's appointment of numerous Clinton employees and Washington insiders is conservative radio's fault? It's not a conspiracy by Saun Hannity to expose choices like Biden, Emanuel, and possibly Hillary as the complete opposite of change. I feel like you're completely dodging the fact that Obama's promise of change is thus far represented by people who've been in Washington for 20 or 30 years. Just because the statement irritates me; do you live in the south or travel through there very often? Hannity is exposing NOTHING. All he does is play a country song, a bunch of clips and repeats the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It's all spin and it's all bullshit. OBAMA IS NOT IN OFFICE YET. Are people policy? Has he had a chance as the POTUS to enact change? I hate to tell you this but there are only so many people that are qualified to work in the White House and even less that would pass the vetting process. And if Obama made choices like Palin, someone that was a destructive force with no experience and no education you know for a fact that Hannity would be all over him for being impulsive and reckless. No matter what Obama does Hannity will spin it as a negative. The AG appointment came in while Hannity was live and he instantly went into a 15 minute rant about how terrible this is. He had the fucking rant ready to go with no facts and was able to just plug anyone's name into it. That is how he plays his game. Protip: Wait till someone is on the job before you start to evaluate his performance. Come back to me after his first 30, 60 and 90 days and tell me what a fuck up he is. Again. Hannity is nothing but a noise maker and has yet to say something valid in the last two weeks. And all of his talking points come right from Rush Limbaugh's show that is on earlier in the day. However Rush does a better job of extending 2 talking points into 4 hours of bullshit than Hannity does._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #27 November 19, 2008 I agree with both of you. Obama never explained what he meant by change and no matter what he does a segment of the population will not be happy. So it seems we're going back to the Clinton years without the balanced budget. A time when we risked life and limb to save whites from genocide but not blacks. When saving millions from starving was honorable and rewarding until the bullets started flying. When we encourage and promise support of a revolution in a middle eastern country and then pull our support at the last minute allowing the revolutionaries to be slaughtered. HE said change NOT change back.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #28 November 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteApparently WOW! Now your down to 1 word zingers from 1 liners. You have talent! Apparently.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siddacious 0 #29 November 20, 2008 Is there a good pool of candidates that aren't 360 degrees from the Dem's platform that have no attachment to the Clinton era? It seems to me that the is a fairly static pool of candidates on either side of the aisle, and that it is close to impossible to not have someone in a cabinet who hasn't served in a previous administration. Did people complain when the younger Bush appointed Rumsfeld, saying that he was just attempting to relive the Regan/Bush years? (probably). I'm inclined to believe that even if only one former Clinton cabinet member makes it into Obama's cabinet, people will still be going on about he is trying to bring back the glorious Clinton days.A dolor netus non dui aliquet, sagittis felis sodales, dolor sociis mauris, vel eu libero cras. Interdum at. Eget habitasse elementum est. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 November 20, 2008 Quote Is there a good pool of candidates that aren't 360 degrees from the Dem's platform that have no attachment to the Clinton era? They're all spinning in circles! --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #31 November 20, 2008 Quote Is there a good pool of candidates that aren't 360 degrees from the Dem's platform that have no attachment to the Clinton era? Well, since there are a couple hundred million people in this country, and somewhere around 20% age 25+ have a college degree, it seems ridiculous that someone promising "change" would recruit from the relatively tiny portion that have served on either a Bush or Clinton administration. I had hopes Obama would actually get the federal government away from the idiots of the last 16 years. Of course, when I was kid I thought I could get away with breaking open a hornet nest without getting stung. Silly me. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #32 November 20, 2008 Quote Hannity is exposing NOTHING. That's what I said. You went on some tangent about right wing media bias, which is an oxymoron at best. I said Obama's picks so far have nothing to do with the right. Then you went on a rant about Hannity, further proving my point that you're avoiding the obvious hypocracy in Obama's choices so far. And yes, the people surrounding the POTUS help form policy. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 November 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteApparently WOW! Now your down to 1 word zingers from 1 liners. You have talent! well, with one word, he generated a 14 word response. 15, if you count the incorrect contraction as the two words it would have represented that, plus the forty two words added with this response and the below kicker that is talent ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siddacious 0 #34 November 20, 2008 360 indeed! How embarassing! to Mr Draft (BTW, I love your screen name): Personally, and call me crazy, but I don't think a cabinet of 25 year old Poly Sci majors is going to do the trick. You need some experienced people who know their way around the beltway. That pool includes a large amount of Clinton era pundits, and if some of them happen to be qualified and make their way into the Obama administration, it won't be the end of the world. Fresh blood? Sure, but don't give the kids the keys to the kingdom. I'm willing to judge the new administration on it's performance rather than it's resemblance to a prior one.A dolor netus non dui aliquet, sagittis felis sodales, dolor sociis mauris, vel eu libero cras. Interdum at. Eget habitasse elementum est. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #35 November 20, 2008 QuoteWhen most people change their underwear they put on a clean pair, not just turn the dirty ones inside-out. The latter is the type of change Obama is bringing to Washington. Do those people throw out all of their underwear and buy new ones each time or do they maybe wash the old ones and wear them again?Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 November 20, 2008 First it was he has no experience, now it's he's choosing people with experience... I don't see how choosing people with experience has anything to do with his ability to facilitate positive change.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #37 November 20, 2008 QuoteI agree with both of you. Obama never explained what he meant by change and no matter what he does a segment of the population will not be happy. So it seems we're going back to the Clinton years without the balanced budget. A time when we risked life and limb to save whites from genocide but not blacks. When saving millions from starving was honorable and rewarding until the bullets started flying. When we encourage and promise support of a revolution in a middle eastern country and then pull our support at the last minute allowing the revolutionaries to be slaughtered. HE said change NOT change back. Change from 8 wasted years of Bush/Cheney neo-fascism IS change.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #38 November 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteI agree with both of you. Obama never explained what he meant by change and no matter what he does a segment of the population will not be happy. So it seems we're going back to the Clinton years without the balanced budget. A time when we risked life and limb to save whites from genocide but not blacks. When saving millions from starving was honorable and rewarding until the bullets started flying. When we encourage and promise support of a revolution in a middle eastern country and then pull our support at the last minute allowing the revolutionaries to be slaughtered. HE said change NOT change back. Change from 8 wasted years of Bush/Cheney neo-fascism IS change. McCain would've been change, too then. So he voted with Bush 90% of the time. If we're not defining change (depends on what your definition of is, is) then 10% difference is change. If all the country wanted was change from Republicans then why Obama? If he's just appointing Clinton's administration anyway, then wouldn't Hillary have been a better choice? No she wouldn't, because the promise of change included a departure from the "broken mess of Washington." Now that's not happening and you're back-peddling. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #39 November 20, 2008 QuoteYou mean the Obama that called Harry Reid and told him to cut Liebermann some slack, despite the fact that Joe supported McCain and spoke somewhat harshly of Obama? I thought that seemed like a pretty classy move, and pretty unusual given the increasing malice in politics in my lifespan. Blues, Dave Or a move to keep another Dem in the senate, even though he is right leaning, to be closer to the filibuster proof majority. I'd call it more "Smart" than "Classy". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 November 20, 2008 Quotethe promise of change included a departure from the "broken mess of Washington." Now that's not happening You do realize the man hasn't even been inaugurated yet, don't you? Oh, and parroting simplistic FoxNews slogans is an unworthy substitute for thought and analysis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #41 November 20, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I agree with both of you. Obama never explained what he meant by change and no matter what he does a segment of the population will not be happy. So it seems we're going back to the Clinton years without the balanced budget. A time when we risked life and limb to save whites from genocide but not blacks. When saving millions from starving was honorable and rewarding until the bullets started flying. When we encourage and promise support of a revolution in a middle eastern country and then pull our support at the last minute allowing the revolutionaries to be slaughtered. HE said change NOT change back. Change from 8 wasted years of Bush/Cheney neo-fascism IS change. McCain would've been change, too then. So he voted with Bush 90% of the time. Very droll.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #42 November 21, 2008 QuoteIf all the country wanted was change from Republicans then why Obama? Because he was the first candidate to run on the message of change...everyone else tried to copy him and just ended up looking stupid, like Shooter Mcgavin in "Happy Gilmore" when he was trying to practice Happy's running-drive technique in the woods.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #43 November 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou mean the Obama that called Harry Reid and told him to cut Liebermann some slack, despite the fact that Joe supported McCain and spoke somewhat harshly of Obama? I thought that seemed like a pretty classy move, and pretty unusual given the increasing malice in politics in my lifespan. Blues, Dave Or a move to keep another Dem in the senate, even though he is right leaning, to be closer to the filibuster proof majority. I'd call it more "Smart" than "Classy". agreed with Smart - now he has someone who really owes him in a key position. BTW, I prefer "smart" over "classy" any time Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #44 November 22, 2008 QuoteIf you can't figure out that the electorate was sick and tired of Bush/Cheney neocon politics to the extent of sweeping the GOP out of the White House, Senate and House, then it's not unexpected that you fail to understand the meaning of "change" in this month's election. Here's a good look at the Obama electorate for you. Probably deserves its own thread, but.... What type of change are these folks expecting? Sad - the state of education and critical thinking in this country. So easily influenced by the MSM. http://www.howobamagotelected.com/The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #45 November 22, 2008 QuoteHere's a good look at the Obama electorate for you. Probably deserves its own thread, but.... What type of change are these folks expecting? Sad - the state of education and critical thinking in this country. So easily influenced by the MSM. http://www.howobamagotelected.com/ Yeah? Right back atcha. Here's a good look at the McCain electorate for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBFKCwZBUBs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #46 November 22, 2008 >Here's a good look at the Obama electorate for you. It is indeed ironic that McCain was sunk by his own negative campagining, and by the choices he made to place victory over country. What is even more ironic is that the poll contains much of the same negative campaigning (i.e. "he started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground") that lost him the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #47 November 22, 2008 QuoteSo on election day we spoke to the most informed Obama voters we could find. And they could not find one Obama voter in the entire nation who knew who controlled congress. News flash- these people are liars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 November 22, 2008 http://change.gov/page/s/economy I thought this was pretty cool for change. Apparently we'll get to hear from this guy every week. Pretty nice website too....They even give you a near broadcast quality download also....Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #49 November 22, 2008 Are you serious? Ziegler interviewed (and then commissioned a Zogby Poll) of Obama voters who considered themselves well informed. And you counter with one drunk chick? Actually, you miss the entire point, but ok, back at me. More back at me would be if someone would take Ziegler up on his challenge to commission a similar McCain voter poll. Or, i guess you could just find a buch of drunk chicks.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #50 November 22, 2008 QuoteIt is indeed ironic that McCain was sunk by his own negative campagining, and by the choices he made to place victory over country. What is even more ironic is that the poll contains much of the same negative campaigning (i.e. "he started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground") that lost him the election. McCain was sunk by many things, and negative campaigning was a very small part. The state of the economy, the fact that he is NOT conservative on many issues, IMO played more of a part. I get your point on this question, but from my research it is still a fact, so why is it considered negative campaigning? He did hold a fundraiser at their home. The point is - well informed voters knew it and didn't care, but most didn't know because they never looked further than the MSM.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
