ChasingBlueSky 0 #51 December 10, 2008 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/09/Obama.poll/index.html So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #52 December 10, 2008 Quote So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me. Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #53 December 10, 2008 Quote Quote So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me. Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... I see no basis for such predictions, just the slow steady beat of the conservative party trying to paint a picture of this country and Obama that fits their narrative for the next election. If it's repeated enough over the next 4 years I'm sure there will be people that believe stuff about which way he leans and which way the country leans after FoxNews repeats it enough. I tried counting the amount of times of "center-right" on Fox a few days back and lost track at 70 in one day._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #54 December 10, 2008 > It is a freakin' shame that some of Obama's far-left base MAY start to turn on him . . . ?? I hope the far left extremists AND the far right extremists are pissed off by him. Means he's doing something right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #55 December 10, 2008 Quote> It is a freakin' shame that some of Obama's far-left base MAY start to turn on him . . . ?? I hope the far left extremists AND the far right extremists are pissed off by him. Means he's doing something right. Absolutely - and is it just me that thought Obama's base wasn't the far left? I know that the current republican crop spin their pitch towards the far right, but I didn't get that feel from the Obama campaign. Surely he wouldn't have spent so much time defending against accusations of socialism if that was the case?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #56 December 10, 2008 >Absolutely - and is it just me that thought Obama's base wasn't the far left? Of course it wasn't. His base are the more centrist democrats and republicans who saw the country going down the tubes, and in some cases were willing to switch parties to take a chance on a guy who might bring some change to the administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #57 December 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me. Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... I see no basis for such predictions, just the slow steady beat of the conservative party trying to paint a picture of this country and Obama that fits their narrative for the next election. If it's repeated enough over the next 4 years I'm sure there will be people that believe stuff about which way he leans and which way the country leans after FoxNews repeats it enough. I tried counting the amount of times of "center-right" on Fox a few days back and lost track at 70 in one day. kinda like what the left has done for the last 8 years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #58 December 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me. Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... I see no basis for such predictions, just the slow steady beat of the conservative party trying to paint a picture of this country and Obama that fits their narrative for the next election. If it's repeated enough over the next 4 years I'm sure there will be people that believe stuff about which way he leans and which way the country leans after FoxNews repeats it enough. I tried counting the amount of times of "center-right" on Fox a few days back and lost track at 70 in one day. kinda like what the left has done for the last 8 years? Um. Obama isn't in the White House and won't be for over 5 weeks from now. Bush has been for the 8 years. We have plenty of direct examples to bring up._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #59 December 10, 2008 Quote >Absolutely - and is it just me that thought Obama's base wasn't the far left? Of course it wasn't. His base are the more centrist democrats and republicans who saw the country going down the tubes, and in some cases were willing to switch parties to take a chance on a guy who might bring some change to the administration. Ah, good. Just checking I wasn't so far to the left myself that I just thought Obama was fairly moderateDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #60 December 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So can we post stories of media members that are not claiming the sky is falling? Let the guy get in office, then come back to me. Exactly, No one ever said the sky was falling. I will predict though the far left will turn on him, followed by the media. I'm sure many will disagree with his Supreme Court picks, those may be the bones thrown to the left to slow down the whine-o-meter...... I see no basis for such predictions, just the slow steady beat of the conservative party trying to paint a picture of this country and Obama that fits their narrative for the next election. If it's repeated enough over the next 4 years I'm sure there will be people that believe stuff about which way he leans and which way the country leans after FoxNews repeats it enough. I tried counting the amount of times of "center-right" on Fox a few days back and lost track at 70 in one day. kinda like what the left has done for the last 8 years? Um. Obama isn't in the White House and won't be for over 5 weeks from now. Bush has been for the 8 years. We have plenty of direct examples to bring up. I guess you don't live in Illinois. I have lived Illinois politics, and Obama has been a part of that. Look what is going on now in Illinois, and Obama was brought up by the corrupt people in illinois you are hearing about in this state. Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been in my pockets for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #61 December 10, 2008 Quote?? I hope the far left extremists AND the far right extremists are pissed off by him. Means he's doing something right. Holy crap, We agree............... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #62 December 10, 2008 Quote I guess you don't live in Illinois. I have lived Illinois politics, and Obama has been a part of that. Look what is going on now in Illinois, and Obama was brought up by the corrupt people in illinois you are hearing about in this state. Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been in my pockets for years. Currently live in Chicago and have been here for nearly 36 years._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #63 December 10, 2008 >Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been >in my pockets for years. I'll let you argue that with someone else on this forum, who recently said that he hopes "Obama does such a good job that i will want to vote for him in 4 years. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #64 December 10, 2008 QuoteI guess you don't live in Illinois. I have lived Illinois politics, and Obama has been a part of that. Look what is going on now in Illinois, and Obama was brought up by the corrupt people in illinois you are hearing about in this state. Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been in my pockets for years. That's not what I'm reading, though it could all be lies. According to multiple sources in the news, he has had very cool relations with most of the old guard that has been implicated. Heck, one story I saw claimed that the Lt. Gov hasn't even talked to the crooked governor in about 2 years. (And there is nobody refuting that claim). My old home state also, and it's always been a pretty rough and tumble place politics-wise. I've seen no evidence (and you can bet there would be people screaming it from the highest mountain) that the President Elect has been any part of it." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #65 December 10, 2008 Quote>Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been >in my pockets for years. I'll let you argue that with someone else on this forum, who recently said that he hopes "Obama does such a good job that i will want to vote for him in 4 years. " I do hope he does a good job, but that doesn't mean he will. that doesn't mean he couldn't be corrupt or involved with the crap happening now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #66 December 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteI guess you don't live in Illinois. I have lived Illinois politics, and Obama has been a part of that. Look what is going on now in Illinois, and Obama was brought up by the corrupt people in illinois you are hearing about in this state. Why should I wait until he is president? Obama and his acomplisis have been in my pockets for years. That's not what I'm reading, though it could all be lies. According to multiple sources in the news, he has had very cool relations with most of the old guard that has been implicated. Heck, one story I saw claimed that the Lt. Gov hasn't even talked to the crooked governor in about 2 years. (And there is nobody refuting that claim). My old home state also, and it's always been a pretty rough and tumble place politics-wise. I've seen no evidence (and you can bet there would be people screaming it from the highest mountain) that the President Elect has been any part of it. there may be no connection at all, but Obama has worked with these guys and was aided by these guys to get were he is now. I know that don't maake him bad, but is does put him in the circle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #67 December 10, 2008 Quote Absolutely - and is it just me that thought Obama's base wasn't the far left? I know that the current republican crop spin their pitch towards the far right, but I didn't get that feel from the Obama campaign. Surely he wouldn't have spent so much time defending against accusations of socialism if that was the case? His voting record in the senate places him among the most liberal. It doesn't seem that far left because you're in agreement with him. You think the current right is far right because you're left of center. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying it's all relative. All of the pre-election talk about cutting defense spending, raising taxes for the wealthy, starting a national health care program, defending pro-choice... each one of those is left and combined puts him pretty far away from center. His post election decisions and rhetoric have been more center which makes me happy. Just don't kid yourself thinking Obama ran on a centrist's platform. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #68 December 11, 2008 QuoteYou think the current right is far right because you're left of center. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying it's all relative. I didn't say that the current right in itslef was far right, but that they feel the need to pander to their far right support. That was the whole point of the Palin nomination, the desire to energise their "base" of the hardcore religious right. I've not seen a mainstream liberal candidate go after the far left in the same way, if they did both the right and a lot of the centre would crucify them. QuoteHis post election decisions and rhetoric have been more center which makes me happy. Just don't kid yourself thinking Obama ran on a centrist's platform. I didn't say he ran on a centreist platform (although he obviously appealed to a lot of those in the centre, and a lot of moderate republicans too), but he certainly didn't run on a far left platform either.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #69 December 11, 2008 > Just don't kid yourself thinking Obama ran on a centrist's platform. He ran on enough of a centrist platform to get centrists to vote for him - which is sort of the definition. He was still quite liberal, of course. But he captured far more of the center than McCain did, suggesting that he was closer to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #70 December 11, 2008 Quote> Just don't kid yourself thinking Obama ran on a centrist's platform. He ran on enough of a centrist platform to get centrists to vote for him - which is sort of the definition. He was still quite liberal, of course. But he captured far more of the center than McCain did, suggesting that he was closer to it. Well, it probably more reflects the center running from the GOP as fast as they can. But looking at voting records isn't going to effectively differentiate between a Bay Area liberal like Barbara Lee, and a Bay Area Speaker of the House that must take a more centric tone in her rhetoric. But their voting records are likely very close, as the legislation that is truly out there doesn't make it out of subcomitee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #71 December 11, 2008 Quote I am a hard rep and didn't like the outcome of the election or the partisin reporting that gave us little or no real information about Obama. the cabinet jobs (outside of clinton) i have been happier with than i thought I would be. Since we will have Obama as president, I am hoping he will be more financially responsible than clinton in his first 4 years or Bush in the last 4 years. we need to decrease gov spending by at least 20% and eliminate earmarks. the one major thing that hope will happen is that we will see health care reform without socialized health care. The bottom line is I hope Obama does such a good job that i will want to vote for him in 4 years. I agree 100% He is not the one i voted for but i hope he does the best job he can for our country!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #72 December 11, 2008 Quote> Just don't kid yourself thinking Obama ran on a centrist's platform. He ran on enough of a centrist platform to get centrists to vote for him - which is sort of the definition. He was still quite liberal, of course. But he captured far more of the center than McCain did, suggesting that he was closer to it. Bullshit! McCain is much closer to the center than Obama ever was. Obama won the centrist vote due to the economy collapsing late in the election cycle. History has showed that when this happens, voters tend to fire the party of the current administration. While Obama did win solidly, don't underestimate the 47% or 48% of the vote McCain won. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #73 December 11, 2008 >Bullshit! McCain is much closer to the center than Obama ever was. >Obama won the centrist vote due to the economy collapsing . . . Here in the US, "centrist" is defined as representing the people in the center, whatever their reasoning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #74 December 11, 2008 Quote>Bullshit! McCain is much closer to the center than Obama ever was. >Obama won the centrist vote due to the economy collapsing . . . Here in the US, "centrist" is defined as representing the people in the center, whatever their reasoning. I know the definition of the word 'centrist' is but thanks for your assistance Mr. Webster. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #75 December 11, 2008 Quote I know the definition of the word 'centrist' is but thanks for your assistance Mr. Webster. He was just helping you with the definition in case you were confused. No need to be a cranky-pants. McCain 4 years ago was centrist. McCain 6 months ago? Really? .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
