shropshire 0 #1 December 10, 2008 QuoteThere is a giant black hole at the centre of our galaxy, a study has confirmed. German astronomers tracked the movement of 28 stars circling the centre of the Milky Way, using the European Southern Observatory in Chile. The black hole is four million times heavier than our Sun, according to the paper in The Astrophysical Journal. Quote"Undoubtedly the most spectacular aspect of our 16-year study, is that it has delivered what is now considered to be the best empirical evidence that super-massive black holes do really exist," said Professor Reinhard Genzel, head of the research team. So, no man with white robes and long pointy beard then clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #2 December 10, 2008 Quote So, no man with white robes and long pointy beard then Who actually believes that anyway.... Quote Science finds Black Hole at centre of Galaxy But I thought this was old news... Here's the link that Shaark originally posted in the NOVA ID Trial threaad. Its a nifty website with a video of some stars circling the hole...http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/pr-17-02.htmlYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #3 December 10, 2008 the CERN-made black hole will eat THAT black hole for breakfast! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #4 December 10, 2008 I thought you guys broke that thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #5 December 10, 2008 Quote the CERN-made black hole will eat THAT black hole for breakfast! Now that is some scarry stuff....If i got sucked in to a black hole I could only pray to God that by some crazy anomalie just one of my eyeballs survies long enough to send a signal to my brain that would allow me to witness the infinite chaos before they too were atomized beyond belief or understanding....but it would probably be very unlikey since God seldom bends the rules of the specific chemestry He has chosen for our universe....Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #6 December 10, 2008 Quote I thought you guys broke that thing? will be up and running again next year.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 December 10, 2008 Quote Quote the CERN-made black hole will eat THAT black hole for breakfast! Now that is some scarry stuff....If i got sucked in to a black hole I could only pray to God that by some crazy anomalie just one of my eyeballs survies long enough to send a signal to my brain that would allow me to witness the infinite chaos before they too were atomized beyond belief or understanding....but it would probably be very unlikey since God seldom bends the rules of the specific chemestry He has chosen for our universe.... there is no such thing as "god".. or, if there is, i am it! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 December 10, 2008 This is in direct opposition to the other study that they conducted that found an asshole in the center of the DZ. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #9 December 10, 2008 Quote This is in direct opposition to the other study that they conducted that found an asshole in the center of the DZ. all those scienticists tried to stuck probes up my arse, but i wouldnt let them, so that study is kinda unproven.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 December 10, 2008 Quote This is in direct opposition to the other study that they conducted that found an asshole in the center of the DZ. I'm a reformed man......I've changed ... alright (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #11 December 11, 2008 Wasn’t it Oppenheimer that said he was afraid that if they continued to find a way to split the atom the atmosphere might ignite…. He was SOOO wrong!! You guys go for it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #12 December 11, 2008 for every right, there must at least be two wrongs.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 December 11, 2008 Quote for every right, there must at least be two wrongs.. ...or three lefts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #14 December 11, 2008 Quote Quote for every right, there must at least be two wrongs.. ...or three lefts. now you're getting at me.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #15 December 11, 2008 Quote Wasn’t it Oppenheimer that said he was afraid that if they continued to find a way to split the atom the atmosphere might ignite…. He was SOOO wrong!! You guys go for it! Close ... it was Fermi (U of Chicago) who proposed the back-of-the-envelope wager that the Trinity test might ignite the atmosphere, either of New Mexico or around the planet. Hans Bethe (Cornell) & Robert Serber (the-UIUC/later Columbia) showed that it was wrongly theoretically; the Trinity test showed that the wager was wrong experimentally. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #16 December 11, 2008 Quote Quote Wasn’t it Oppenheimer that said he was afraid that if they continued to find a way to split the atom the atmosphere might ignite…. He was SOOO wrong!! You guys go for it! Close ... it was Fermi (U of Chicago) who proposed the back-of-the-envelope wager that the Trinity test might ignite the atmosphere, either of New Mexico or around the planet. Hans Bethe (Cornell) & Robert Serber (the-UIUC/later Columbia) showed that it was wrongly theoretically; the Trinity test showed that the wager was wrong experimentally. VR/Marg It's always good when experiment confirms theory - especially when the destruction of the atmosphere is involved.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 December 11, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Wasn’t it Oppenheimer that said he was afraid that if they continued to find a way to split the atom the atmosphere might ignite…. He was SOOO wrong!! You guys go for it! Close ... it was Fermi (U of Chicago) who proposed the back-of-the-envelope wager that the Trinity test might ignite the atmosphere, either of New Mexico or around the planet. Hans Bethe (Cornell) & Robert Serber (the-UIUC/later Columbia) showed that it was wrongly theoretically; the Trinity test showed that the wager was wrong experimentally. VR/Marg It's always good when experiment confirms theory - especially when the destruction of the atmosphere is involved. Luckily, it was Bethe/Serber whose theory was proved correct and not Fermi!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #18 December 11, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Wasn’t it Oppenheimer that said he was afraid that if they continued to find a way to split the atom the atmosphere might ignite…. He was SOOO wrong!! You guys go for it! Close ... it was Fermi (U of Chicago) who proposed the back-of-the-envelope wager that the Trinity test might ignite the atmosphere, either of New Mexico or around the planet. Hans Bethe (Cornell) & Robert Serber (the-UIUC/later Columbia) showed that it was wrongly theoretically; the Trinity test showed that the wager was wrong experimentally. It's always good when experiment confirms theory - especially when the destruction of the atmosphere is involved. Luckily, it was Bethe/Serber whose theory was proved correct and not Fermi!! Just because the words get mis-used interchangebly/confused too frequently, imo: what Fermi proposed was a notional hypothesis. A "what if?" that was literally presented as a wager. Perhaps the ultimate sort of "hey do you think I can do "X" without killing/injuring/incapacitating myself? Bethe and Serber did a robust theoretical study with calculations based on mathematical and physical theories of the atom, gas mechanics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and radioactivity. Teller had one done by LANL scientists as well, which is now declassified. VR/Marg > Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 December 11, 2008 Quote A "what if?" that was literally presented as a wager. Perhaps the ultimate sort of "hey do you think I can do "X" without killing/injuring/incapacitating myself? That is kind of funny presenting that to this crowd that takes pride in "here, hold my beer...watch this" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #20 December 11, 2008 Quote there is no such thing as "god".. or, if there is, i am it! See...pride can be a very dangerous thing. Let me guess, you work for CERNYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #21 December 12, 2008 Yes, that is right. Although I did have to go look again... What I did recall before reading, and reminded of again was at least they had a conscience about what they were doing. I can only imagine the internal turmoil one would have wondering/pondering and musing being the father of something that could destroy the world. : Upon witnessing the explosion, its creators had mixed reactions. Isidor Rabi felt that the equilibrium in nature had been upset as if humankind had become a threat to the world it inhabited. Robert Oppenheimer, though ecstatic about the success of the project, quoted a remembered fragment from the Bhagavad Gita. "I am become Death," he said, "the destroyer of worlds." Ken Bainbridge, the test director, told Oppenheimer, "Now we're all sons of bitches." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #22 December 12, 2008 Quote Quote there is no such thing as "god".. or, if there is, i am it! See...pride can be a very dangerous thing. Let me guess, you work for CERN i wish! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #23 December 12, 2008 Quotei wish! Yeah...me to, but it turns out that I'm a vidiot....Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #24 December 12, 2008 No need for imaginary and unscientific black holes: Winston H. Bostick made the front page of the New York Times, and other local newspapers such as The Daily Courier, Connellsville, PA (20 Dec 1956), for creating a "test tube universe." Over 50 years ago he produced the structure of a barred galaxy in the lab. Science is supposed to be conducted through experimentation which he did 50 years ago yet today scientist will claim that they know black holes exist because there is no other possibility and everytime evidence is produced which contradicts the accepted black hole theory the theory is simply modified but never questioned. No one has seen a black hole and certainly no one has experimented with one in the lab yet this explanation is accepted and true scientific experimentation is rejected which clearly demonstrates there is no need for black holes. "Plasmoids appear to be plasma cylinders elongated in the direction of the magnetic field. Plasmoids possess a measurable magnetic moment, a measurable translational speed, a transverse electric field, and a measurable size. Plasmoids can interact with each other, seemingly by reflecting off one another. Their orbits can also be made to curve toward one another. Plasmoids can be made to spiral to a stop if projected into a gas at about 10−3 mm Hg pressure. Plasmoids can also be made to smash each other into fragments. There is some scant evidence to support the hypothesis that they undergo fission and possess spin." NASA and other scientist are constantly finding charge, magnetic and electric feilds, and "million degree plasma" yet we are constantly told that it does nothing ignoring that the electric force is 10^39 times stronger than gravity (or a thousand trillion trillion trillion times). http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=2m1r5m3b http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Plasmoid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #25 December 12, 2008 What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
