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Mike, the point is that a holiday from religion X isn't a federal holiday but a holiday from Religion Y is a required federal holiday. If you cannot see that as clear favouritism of religion Y over religion X then I suggest that your sense of fairness needs recalibrating.
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QuoteMike, the point is that a holiday from religion X isn't a federal holiday but a holiday from Religion Y is a required federal holiday. If you cannot see that as clear favouritism of religion Y over religion X then I suggest that your sense of fairness needs recalibrating.
Favoritism implies an advantage given to one over another - you have yet to prove that Christianity is gaining anything by the government taking a day off. Just because you THINK it is favoritism means nothing - show me PROOF.
FYI - it is not a MANDATORY holiday. I know plenty of businesses that are open on the federal holidays and several Muslim and Jewish people that 'traded off' holidays.
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I keep reading that the goverment is requiring people to observe these holidays. This is simply not the case. People are being given a day off from work not being required to do observe any paticular religious practice but simply don't have to go to work that day.
Also, the it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Therefore having the ten commandments in front of a court house or a easter cross in a goverment building is not against the constitution. Why? Because it says "congress shall make no law" and there is no law involved in such things. There is no law in regards to federal holidays. Federal holidays simply means if you work for the goverment you don't have to work on these days and guess what...... if you don't work for the goverment you can still work on these days (I have had to in the past). Even having a prayer at the opening of each congressional meeting does not fall under this ammendment as there is no law saying it has to be done or that each person must be involved in it. As long as there is no law requiring people to do things there is no breach of the first ammendment. Prayers in schools doesn't breach the ammendment as long as there is no law requiring everyone to participate. The reality is no one want to follow what the first ammendment actually says. They want to extend it far beyond its bounds to include "seperation of church and state" which is a phrase from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson which basically said that he wanted that phrase included. However, we find from other writtings that it was included as they felt and knew that if such a phrase were included it would ultimately lead to the restriction of religion which is actually where we are moving today.
Also, the it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Therefore having the ten commandments in front of a court house or a easter cross in a goverment building is not against the constitution. Why? Because it says "congress shall make no law" and there is no law involved in such things. There is no law in regards to federal holidays. Federal holidays simply means if you work for the goverment you don't have to work on these days and guess what...... if you don't work for the goverment you can still work on these days (I have had to in the past). Even having a prayer at the opening of each congressional meeting does not fall under this ammendment as there is no law saying it has to be done or that each person must be involved in it. As long as there is no law requiring people to do things there is no breach of the first ammendment. Prayers in schools doesn't breach the ammendment as long as there is no law requiring everyone to participate. The reality is no one want to follow what the first ammendment actually says. They want to extend it far beyond its bounds to include "seperation of church and state" which is a phrase from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson which basically said that he wanted that phrase included. However, we find from other writtings that it was included as they felt and knew that if such a phrase were included it would ultimately lead to the restriction of religion which is actually where we are moving today.
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QuoteThere is no law in regards to federal holidays.
You haven't been reading the thread have you ...
Federal law (5 U.S.C. 6103) establishes the following public holidays for Federal employees.
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>Where? Specific examples of laws, please
HR 5683 - Federal control of the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross
>> as have the requirements that federal employees observe Christian holidays.
>See above - what is the gain, here?
Gain? I never mentioned a "gain." There is federally mandated observance of the holy days of a specific religion; other religions do not enjoy that legal recognition.
HR 5683 - Federal control of the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross
>> as have the requirements that federal employees observe Christian holidays.
>See above - what is the gain, here?
Gain? I never mentioned a "gain." There is federally mandated observance of the holy days of a specific religion; other religions do not enjoy that legal recognition.
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I take it, then, that you'd have no problem if Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha were made federal holidays, since that would give no "gain" to Islam.
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I take it, then, that you'd have no problem if Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha were made federal holidays, since that would give no "gain" to Islam.
Why should I care what days gov't doesn't work?
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I take it, then, that you'd have no problem if Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha were made federal holidays, since that would give no "gain" to Islam.
Why should I care what days gov't doesn't work?
The gov't isn't the only one who doesn't work the federal holidays. Does you or anybody in your family get Christmas off from work? What if you no longer did, but got one of the Islam holidays off instead?
Then should you care?
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QuoteQuoteQuote
I take it, then, that you'd have no problem if Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha were made federal holidays, since that would give no "gain" to Islam.
Why should I care what days gov't doesn't work?
The gov't isn't the only one who doesn't work the federal holidays. Does you or anybody in your family get Christmas off from work? What if you no longer did, but got one of the Islam holidays off instead?
Then should you care?
Nope, wouldn't care. It's up to the individual businesses to decide what days they give their workers for holidays, if at all.
ETA: The last few contracts I've worked on, the operators and admin folks got both the Christmas holidays and the Ramadan holidays off.
Side note: I find it quite funny that those who are so vehemently in support of 'the majority rules' in regards to voting are so vehemently against 'the majority rules' in regards to days off work.
Mike
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Please read This:
http://www.tencommandments.org/heathens.shtml
http://www.tencommandments.org/heathens.shtml
mnealtx 0
Um...yeah, thanks. 
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please read this
http://www.evilbible.com/ten_commandments.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/ten_commandments.htm
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JackC 0
QuoteSide note: I find it quite funny that those who are so vehemently in support of 'the majority rules' in regards to voting are so vehemently against 'the majority rules' in regards to days off work.
Another non-sequitur from mnealtx. Well done.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteSide note: I find it quite funny that those who are so vehemently in support of 'the majority rules' in regards to voting are so vehemently against 'the majority rules' in regards to days off work.
Another non-sequitur from mnealtx. Well done.
No worries, mate - given your posting history, I didn't expect you to see the connection between the two patterns.
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Would it be OK for federal employees to be required to observe Ramadan instead of Christmas?
If that was made a federal holiday, sure. Are Muslim employees prevented from taking time off for Ramadan? By the logic y'all are using, MLK day is an 'aid or benefit' to the black community.
Again - where's the 'gain' to the RELIGION??? HOW is the RELIGION benefiting from gov't taking the day off work?
Disconnect the 'Christians are BAD' circuitry and give me something tangible, not inferences because gov't doesn't take a day off for ALL holidays for ALL religions.
(Although, that's not a bad idea....there's an AWFUL lot of religous holidays taken in total - keeps Congress from fucking up things any worse)
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