billvon 2,989 #251 January 5, 2009 >I'm thinking the best strategy for the time being is for all parties that do not >actually live there to get out and stay out until the locals have settled their little >family squabble. Agreed. Stop fighting a war by proxy there, and let the people there - with their own money, weapons, governments and values - determine the course of their lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #252 January 5, 2009 Quote>I'm thinking the best strategy for the time being is for all parties that do not >actually live there to get out and stay out until the locals have settled their little >family squabble. Agreed. Stop fighting a war by proxy there, and let the people there - with their own money, weapons, governments and values - determine the course of their lives. That would be directed at Iran. We're not fighting someone by proxy here. We're supporting a democratic ally, as well as 45% of the world's Jewish population (with 45% more in the US). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #253 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThanks, I though so too. So Marg have you got a family crest or Coat of arms too? Not one of which I am aware. VR/Marg Obviously you eschew research. Pity. http://shopmobile.muchmusic.com/contentdetail.aspx?id=292421 There is most likely a site that can provide one for you; as well as the opportunity to purchase coffee mugs, plaques, welcome mats for the front door, and a boatload of other heraldic baubles and trinkets. There are even scammers that can set you up with a vacation back to the castle your family came from - - despite the fact that very very few families can be proven to have ever lived in a castle. Those companies are one rung above the ones that will put your name on a star for $19.95. All true, I'm lucky to have a dicumented family history going back to the 1600's. Its weird looking at it though and wondering what all those people were like.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #254 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuote>I'm thinking the best strategy for the time being is for all parties that do not >actually live there to get out and stay out until the locals have settled their little >family squabble. Agreed. Stop fighting a war by proxy there, and let the people there - with their own money, weapons, governments and values - determine the course of their lives. That would be directed at Iran. We're not fighting someone by proxy here. We're supporting a democratic ally, as well as 45% of the world's Jewish population (with 45% more in the US). You can't claim to be supporting all Jews everywhere when there are tens of thousands of Jews even in Israel who are against who are against the current actions agains Gaza (To the point where there has been mass demonstrations and marchs again the attack on Gaza) http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/02/jews-against-genocide-in-gaza.html http://jewishvoices.squarespace.com/gaza/When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #255 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThanks, I though so too. So Marg have you got a family crest or Coat of arms too? Not one of which I am aware. VR/Marg Obviously you eschew research. Pity. http://shopmobile.muchmusic.com/contentdetail.aspx?id=292421 There is most likely a site that can provide one for you; as well as the opportunity to purchase coffee mugs, plaques, welcome mats for the front door, and a boatload of other heraldic baubles and trinkets. There are even scammers that can set you up with a vacation back to the castle your family came from - - despite the fact that very very few families can be proven to have ever lived in a castle. Those companies are one rung above the ones that will put your name on a star for $19.95. Don't be so smug. Andromeda was named after me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #256 January 5, 2009 >We're not fighting someone by proxy here. We're supporting a democratic ally . . . Same thing. And Iran is supporting an oppressed arab population. They would both be better off if Iran and the US stopped giving them money and weapons with which to kill each other. > as well as 45% of the world's Jewish population (with 45% more in the US). I don't care what religion they are. Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's, or a Christian's, or an atheist's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #257 January 5, 2009 QuoteAll true, I'm lucky to have a dicumented family history going back to the 1600's. Its weird looking at it though and wondering what all those people were like. Thats all!!!!!!!! Sheesh what a newbie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #258 January 5, 2009 QuoteI don't care what religion they are. Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's, or a Christian's, or an atheist's? God said so.... Its right there in the book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #259 January 5, 2009 Quote> as well as 45% of the world's Jewish population (with 45% more in the US). I don't care what religion they are. Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's, or a Christian's, or an atheist's? What part of "God's Chosen People" don't you understand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #260 January 5, 2009 QuoteAll true, I'm lucky to have a dicumented family history going back to the 1600's. Its weird looking at it though and wondering what all those people were like. Cool; and that would be about the time when things get very difficult (often impossible) unless you're chasing a branch of the family that had some real significance. I do have some documentation on my family, but only back to the mid 1800's. To take it further I would have needed to pry more information from my Grandma before she went senile or I need now to go to the sources (churches, graveyards, and the scariest place of all, . . . government records). We just weren't of much importance. Another aside - Whatever happened to the tradition of taking pictures of people on their deathbed, or even in their coffin. I've found a few like that in our family albums. I'm actually glad I have them, though some are really wierd. They are like cheesily posed wedding pictures; for example old Grandpa Grandmaison laying there pale and gaunt with hours to live and Aunt Lil and Uncle Elmer leaning in for the shot with big smiles. OK 2nd aside; for any other sentimental fools like me who want to leave stuff like that for their kids (yeah they think it's creepy now but someday will thank you), get busy labeling stuff before you too forget who the hell all those people were that would wear a 3 piece suit to a baseball game." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #261 January 5, 2009 Quote>We're not fighting someone by proxy here. We're supporting a democratic ally . . . Same thing. And Iran is supporting an oppressed arab population. They would both be better off if Iran and the US stopped giving them money and weapons with which to kill each other. It's still not a war by proxy for us. We're not attacking anyone, we're defending. Quote > as well as 45% of the world's Jewish population (with 45% more in the US). I don't care what religion they are. Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's, or a Christian's, or an atheist's? You know the answers to this: 1) the Allies allowed millions of Jews to be killed. Claims are no one knew - this could be true for the foot soldiers, but pretty implausible at the command level. 2) just as the Cubans in Miami dictate our foreign policy to the island to the south, the Jews in our country are the most vocal and effective in our foreign policy in the Middle East. Besides, at this point, what would we do instead? We want that democracy to remain, and we don't want Israel so weak that it has to resort to a nuclear option as it nearly did in 1973. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #262 January 5, 2009 >It's still not a war by proxy for us. We're not attacking anyone, we're >defending. If you are claiming that the recent Israeli offensive is actually defense, then you're just playing word games. >the Allies allowed millions of Jews to be killed. Yes - and we enslaved millions of Africans. Doesn't mean we owe them reparations. Allied guilt is just as bogus as white guilt. All we owe them is equal treatment. >just as the Cubans in Miami dictate our foreign policy to the island to >the south, the Jews in our country are the most vocal and effective in our >foreign policy in the Middle East. Yep. Doesn't mean that we should listen to them. > We want that democracy to remain I'd prefer that Israel choose its own form of government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #263 January 5, 2009 Hamas says they won't stop rocket attacks. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/05/israel.gaza/index.html?iref=mpstoryview is there any reason to support EITHER side in this endless, stupid conflict? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #264 January 5, 2009 Quote Hamas says they won't stop rocket attacks. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/05/israel.gaza/index.html?iref=mpstoryview is there any reason to support EITHER side in this endless, stupid conflict? Hamas has slung over 3,000 rockets without retaliation. Israel upheld the cease fire even as Hamas didn't. Israel said they'll stop when Hamas stops launching rockets. Hamas said they won't stop for any reason. I applaud Israel's restraint up to this point. Regardless of religion, I don't know why anyone would take Hamas' side. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #265 January 5, 2009 Quote>Israel tried the live and let live thing . . . . Hmm. I guess it's not that simple after all. I didn't say it was.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #266 January 5, 2009 Why did Hamas fire the rockets? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #267 January 5, 2009 Quotef you are claiming that the recent Israeli offensive is actually defense, then you're just playing word games. after years of unprovoked constant rocket attacks from Gaza, I'm saying exactly that, loud and clear. Quote> We want that democracy to remain I'd prefer that Israel choose its own form of government. we did, and we chose democracy. not sure it will last if Israel is destroyed by its neighbours. choosing has nothing to do with it. the US protects Israel for the same reasons it helped the UK in WWII (before it actively joined). a similar culture, set of values and way of life. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #268 January 5, 2009 QuoteQuote[reply You can't claim to be supporting all Jews everywhere when there are tens of thousands of Jews even in Israel who are against who are against the current actions agains Gaza (To the point where there has been mass demonstrations and marchs again the attack on Gaza) War protestors. They're around anytime there's a war, regardless of whose chunking bombs. And ain't it great they have the right to protest in Israel? Try that in other Arab countries and they cut your head off in town square - in front of your family if you're lucky.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #269 January 5, 2009 >I'm saying exactly that, loud and clear. OK. In that case, the Hamas rocket attacks were peace overtures that were brutally rebuffed by an evil government. >we did, and we chose democracy Great. Glad you could decide that on your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 425 #270 January 5, 2009 Quote Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's..... In relationship to this specific situation, the answer to your question is quite simple. The jews don't declare death to their neighbors or people of different faiths. The people they are fighting have vowed to wipe Israel and the jews form the face of the earth merely becasue of who they are. Them's fightin' words, ya know.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #271 January 5, 2009 well, that's one side. the other side says that Israel is occupying their land. I don't know why the Jews wanted to settle there in the early/mid 20th century anyway. We should've moved 'em all into Texas. Texans think it's the Holy Land anyway.Cornbread Bagels & Barbecued Gefilte Fish. mmmMMMMM. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #272 January 5, 2009 >The jews don't declare death to their neighbors or people of different faiths. And Muslims don't drop nuclear bombs on innocent women and children when that bombing isn't even needed to win a war. But that's a bad reason to condemn all Christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #273 January 5, 2009 Quote the US protects Israel for the same reasons it helped the UK in WWII (before it actively joined). a similar culture, set of values and way of life. O What, for the money then... because it cost us a bloody fortune - there didn't do it for nowt (BUT bless the folks that came over to help though - more power to them) - the the US government sat on the fence. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 425 #274 January 5, 2009 Quote We should've moved 'em all into Texas. Texans think it's the Holy Land anyway.Cornbread Bagels & Barbecued Gefilte Fish. mmmMMMMM. Texas is the Holy Land, silly. And you left out chicken fried horse shit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #275 January 5, 2009 I'm just trying to imagine what people in a Jewish State would eat if they'd moved to Texas instead of where they are. Latkes with tobasco sauce, maybe? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Next Page 11 of 31 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,989 #269 January 5, 2009 >I'm saying exactly that, loud and clear. OK. In that case, the Hamas rocket attacks were peace overtures that were brutally rebuffed by an evil government. >we did, and we chose democracy Great. Glad you could decide that on your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #270 January 5, 2009 Quote Why should a Jew's life be more important than an Muslim's..... In relationship to this specific situation, the answer to your question is quite simple. The jews don't declare death to their neighbors or people of different faiths. The people they are fighting have vowed to wipe Israel and the jews form the face of the earth merely becasue of who they are. Them's fightin' words, ya know.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #271 January 5, 2009 well, that's one side. the other side says that Israel is occupying their land. I don't know why the Jews wanted to settle there in the early/mid 20th century anyway. We should've moved 'em all into Texas. Texans think it's the Holy Land anyway.Cornbread Bagels & Barbecued Gefilte Fish. mmmMMMMM. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #272 January 5, 2009 >The jews don't declare death to their neighbors or people of different faiths. And Muslims don't drop nuclear bombs on innocent women and children when that bombing isn't even needed to win a war. But that's a bad reason to condemn all Christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #273 January 5, 2009 Quote the US protects Israel for the same reasons it helped the UK in WWII (before it actively joined). a similar culture, set of values and way of life. O What, for the money then... because it cost us a bloody fortune - there didn't do it for nowt (BUT bless the folks that came over to help though - more power to them) - the the US government sat on the fence. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #274 January 5, 2009 Quote We should've moved 'em all into Texas. Texans think it's the Holy Land anyway.Cornbread Bagels & Barbecued Gefilte Fish. mmmMMMMM. Texas is the Holy Land, silly. And you left out chicken fried horse shit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #275 January 5, 2009 I'm just trying to imagine what people in a Jewish State would eat if they'd moved to Texas instead of where they are. Latkes with tobasco sauce, maybe? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
