Darius11 12 #526 January 13, 2009 Quote>Which is more evil or wrong a crime of necessity or a crime of no conscience? Both are evil and wrong. In the end, the person killed is just as dead, no matter why he was killed. True Bill but expand the philosophy a bit to more then just that example and that one person. How would the family of the dead feel?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #527 January 13, 2009 QuoteYour lack of compassion for the loss of life, and how you excuse any cruelty that is done on too The Palestinians is disturbing. Not to mention you over all hatred that you represent for people you know nothing about. The loss of inocent life on any side is a loss of life. That to me is a bad thing. What I am tired of is your lame ass excuses for STUPID ASS people who keep habitually attacking others.. MAKE PEACE.. or quit fucking whining about what happens when you are retaliated upon from on high./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #528 January 13, 2009 >How would the family of the dead feel? Terribly. And telling them "but hey, your son was killed by people who really needed something" won't make them feel any better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #529 January 13, 2009 Quote Quote >Which is more evil or wrong a crime of necessity or a crime of no conscience? Both are evil and wrong. In the end, the person killed is just as dead, no matter why he was killed. True Bill but expand the philosophy a bit to more then just that example and that one person. How would the family of the dead feel? Some of them would just call the dead martyrs or maybe say, it's okay, he got his 72 virgins in paradise. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #530 January 13, 2009 Quote >Pretty much says it all, doesn't it? So does this. It mostly says that some Israeli kids need to learn how to spell... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #531 January 13, 2009 True. Just as some folks are happy that Palestinians are dying because they figure that all Palestinians are part of Hamas. A paraphrase of something that Billvon wrote a number of years ago comes to mind:QuoteWar is the worst thing there is; atrocities we would normally condemn are OK, just unfortunate mishaps of war, or neccessary to "save american lives." Altruistic ideas like 'liberating the people of Iraq' will be the first things out the window when the fighting gets desperate. The lives of American troops will trump all other considerations.Replace "American" with "israeli" or "palestinian" and you have it. People rejoice over things that are horrific, simply because they think it's their enemy getting hurt. But those people they are rejoicing over, Israeli or Palestinian, have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children -- even grandparents. And each atrocity makes enemies of all those people. Rejoicing over someone else's misfortune is disgusting. Even if it means that one's "side" is winning, it's still someone else's pain and misfortune. And which side of America do Israel and Palestine stand for? They're like divorcing couples who will do anything to hurt the other. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #532 January 13, 2009 QuoteMAKE PEACE.. or quit fucking whining about what happens when you are retaliated upon from on high./ Making peace at the cost of being your oppressor’s prisoner is not an option and for anyone to think it is disingenuous at the least. The fact that you think Israelis have just been holding peace signs and have never done anything that warrants aggression or anger is ridiculous. The fact that you excuse all the violence and make jokes about children dying while you sit on your ass at home is disturbing. The consistent hatred you represent for any thing and every thing Muslim is repulsive. I am simply sorry to see it so much from so many.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #533 January 13, 2009 QuoteSome of them would just call the dead martyrs or maybe say, it's okay, he got his 72 virgins in paradise Sorry billy but you are out of touch with their lives. Thast the cop out. Any time you have fighters sacrificing there lives just to hurt their enemy they usually believe some ridiculous shit. For the kamikazes it was considered dishonorable to come back alive. Dihonorable to live! Believe it or not Muslim children are not born wanting to die. Yet in dealing with no hope, and consistent cruelty insane decision seem sane and even logical. People are as good as their options. My biggest issue is with the dehumanizing of Muslims or anyone, and the expectance of it. When ever a culture or a group of people look at other people and view them as less that’s when we have huge wars, war crimes, and genocide. That’s why I always find some posts very disturbing. Give people all people more credit.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #534 January 13, 2009 Quote Quote >Pretty much says it all, doesn't it? So does this. It mostly says that some Israeli kids need to learn how to spell... No Ori, it means that the Israeli government is teaching the children to hate. They (you) are laying the foundation for war without end. So ye sew,... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #535 January 13, 2009 >Making peace at the cost of being your oppressor’s prisoner . . . . . . is akin to making peace with people you consider cowardly terrorists. Is peace worth more than your pride? If it is, you'll find a way to make it happen. If not, the killing will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #536 January 13, 2009 Quote>How would the family of the dead feel? Terribly. And telling them "but hey, your son was killed by people who really needed something" won't make them feel any better. It’s almost as if you’er trying not to see my point. The circumstance in a way a life is lost matters. If my mom hears that I died skydiving a decision I made she would probably deal with it with less anger then if Amazon goes on a rage and kills me because I am Muslim or if a drunk driver hits me. Have you not seem victims families when they feel the loss of life was someone else’s mistake? They never shut the fuck up until they feel they have had justice.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #537 January 13, 2009 >If my mom hears that I died skydiving a decision I made she would >probably deal with it with less anger then if Amazon goes on a rage and >kills me because I am Muslim or if a drunk driver hits me. I have a feeling that if someone killed you because they really needed money for drugs, your mother would feel no less anger. Even if they really, really, really needed the drugs. >Have you not seem victims families when they feel the loss of life was >someone else’s mistake? They never shut the fuck up until they feel >they have had justice. Yep. And now we have two sides in a war who will never "shut the fuck up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #538 January 13, 2009 QuotePeople rejoice over things that are horrific, simply because they think it's their enemy getting hurt. But those people they are rejoicing over, Israeli or Palestinian, have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children -- even grandparents. And each atrocity makes enemies of all those people. Rejoicing over someone else's misfortune is disgusting. Even if it means that one's "side" is winning, it's still someone else's pain and misfortune. You know over the years it seems for some reason you understand my English better then most or you just can read my mind. Thank you for that post. That’s what I don’t get. How can you rejoice from other people misery?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #539 January 13, 2009 Quote>Making peace at the cost of being your oppressor’s prisoner . . . . . . is akin to making peace with people you consider cowardly terrorists. Is peace worth more than your pride? If it is, you'll find a way to make it happen. If not, the killing will continue. Bill do you think you can have peace without justice?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #540 January 13, 2009 Quote Bill do you think you can have peace without justice? As you have said before, Islam is a religion of justice, not peace. I'm getting the impression that there is no such concept as "turn the other cheek" in Islam. Is that a fair statement?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #541 January 13, 2009 Quote The difference between a Hamas fighter and an Israeli soldier. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Are they really all that different? I don't think so. The boy in this picture was a 13 year old Arab boy and was tied to the front of the vehicle as a human shield by Israeli soldiers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm There are many other examples of Israeli soldiers using human shields.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #542 January 13, 2009 >Bill do you think you can have peace without justice? I think you can have both. But sometimes you have to start with peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #543 January 13, 2009 I did some research on Hamas and, QuoteHamas' charter calls for the recapturing of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now named Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip Source: (yes I know its wiki)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas How, exactly, is there ever going to be peace between these 2 groups of people (Hamas, and Isrial) when ones own "mission", as it were, is to completely take over the other's country? I hate to say it, but this looks like a case of there will only be peace when one or the other group is completely wiped out.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #544 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuote Bill do you think you can have peace without justice? As you have said before, Islam is a religion of justice, not peace. I'm getting the impression that there is no such concept as "turn the other cheek" in Islam. Is that a fair statement? yes it is. In Islam or my understanding of it is that you never do harm to others but you never allow any one to do harm to you as well.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #545 January 13, 2009 Interesting article in the WSJ today. Hamas' charter actual doesn't refer to Palestine as a state. It refers to Palestine as an Islamic Waqf, or trust, "consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day". Palestine as an independent state has never existed. Hamas has no intention of turning it into an independent state.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #546 January 13, 2009 Quote Quote Quote >Pretty much says it all, doesn't it? So does this. It mostly says that some Israeli kids need to learn how to spell... No Ori, it means that the Israeli government is teaching the children to hate. They (you) are laying the foundation for war without end. So ye sew,... Kids who grow up constantly running in and out of bomb shelters are going to hate their enemies. There's no need to teach it. I'm surprised they're writing in English, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #547 January 13, 2009 QuoteQuotePretty much says it all, doesn't it? No not even close. Seems pretty accurate - how else do you explain away launching rockets next to a school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #548 January 13, 2009 Quote Kids who grow up constantly running in and out of bomb shelters are going to hate their enemies. There's no need to teach it. Gosh -- ya think the same thing applies in both directions? Quote I'm surprised they're writing in English, though. Makes for better press coverage in the US Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #549 January 13, 2009 So, Islam is NOT a religion of peace in practice. In practice, it devolves into an endless series of revenge attacks. Peace only occurs when one side has completely vanquished the other. Is this a fair statement?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #550 January 13, 2009 > In practice, it devolves into an endless series of revenge attacks. I would agree. Of course, in this case, Judaism has devolved into an endless series of reprisal attacks (which, of course, were brought about by the above revenge attacks.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
