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Darius11 12
Quotehaving a rough time is a result of war, that is not collective punishment.
How can it be viewed as war and not a massacre?
That’s like calling a fight between a 2 yearold and Mike Tyson a boxing match.
There are also rules for war, that’s why in WWII the Nazi party was help responsible because they had broken the rules of war not to mention the rules for humanity. You can not simply excuse all cruel action by saying it’s a war.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteYou can not simply excuse all cruel action by saying it’s a war.
Nor can you by saying "See what you made me do".
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falxori 0
QuoteThat’s like calling a fight between a 2 yearold and Mike Tyson a boxing match.
no, its more like Mike Tyson Vs. Holyfield when one is holding a 2 year old to take the punched for him...
QuoteThere are also rules for war
you mean such as not hiding behind civilians and then saying the other side hits them?
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
Darius11 12
Quoteno, its more like Mike Tyson Vs. Holyfield when one is holding a 2 year old to take the punched for him...
You really think Hamas is as powerful as the IDF, but is just hiding behind civilians?
Quoteyou mean such as not hiding behind civilians and then saying the other side hits them?
Yes That’s a rule of war as well. And you’re right they’re braking it. How about looking at Israel with the same disgust as you do HAMAS when Israel brakes the rules of war?
That’s the problem I have with most of you who I argue with. You excuse Israel but want to hold HAMAs accountable. This is all when every one with a working brain knows who the more capable parties are.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain
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QuoteYes That’s a rule of war as well. And you’re right they’re braking it. How about looking at Israel with the same disgust as you do HAMAS when Israel brakes the rules of war?
That’s the problem I have with most of you who I argue with. You excuse Israel but want to hold HAMAs accountable. This is all when every one with a working brain knows who the more capable parties are.
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You seem to completely gloss over the FACT.. that if the morons in Hamasistan stopped attacking.. peace would BREAK out, The Israelis would have no reason to launch a missile at a leader who cajoles his people into continuing the stupidity for his own power. IF the power equation was reversed you buddies would have obliterated every Jew in sight. Perhaps you might want to read about some of the fun stuff that occurred after the British pulled out as the Arab's tried to do just that with far superior forces.
The Israeli’s protected their people and always have since the creation of the state of Israel. The history is fairly plain on who keeps perpetuating this war.
Your assertion of genocide etc is so completely LUDICROUS as to be laughable Darius.
The situation is tragic and will continue until there is a huge change in the attitude of the leadership of Hamasistan.
Most little boys learn not to kick the big kid in the shins at a fairly early age... he finds out there are consequences to being fucking stupid.
Darius11 12
QuoteYour assertion of genocide etc is so completely LUDICROUS as to be laughable Darius.
That shows you know nothing of the condition in Gaza
Trust me if your laughing at me that probably means I have said something real or true as your posts have shown you tend to do nothing other then show hate for anything Muslim or yo just like to start shit. You your self have said before lets kill them all. I simply can not argue with that kind of blind ignorance.
When you learn to look at the other side and actually maybe once consider cause and effect then maybe you will be able to see more. Unfortunately you are not very knowledgeable on the subject but you are sure that you are right about every thing at the same time. So I don’t see you ever seeing any thing or learning any thing new. When you say all Iranians are Jew haters or simpelfy the problem in such a manner that if you disagree with Israel you are a Jew hater there is no point in me continuing this conversation with you.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain
QuoteQuoteThis basically amounts to "it's never worked before so why try?"
no, it amounts to : every time we've tried, they tried to blow up the border crossings. simple as that.
what reason do they have to blow up the crossings that supply food to Gaza?QuoteCollective punishment violates international law
having a rough time is a result of war, that is not collective punishment.
civilians getting hurt because rockets are fired from their back yards is a violation of international law. by those who use them as human shields.
The conversation is regressing. Any reply would be to rehash the rehashed.
Good luck.
They reap what they sow.
You reap what you sow.
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As long Israel want and need to expand their borders, and believe they can just take what they believe is given right from the bible to land, and far more, then they have a problem! Just admit if the native people in USA got a state, and then wanted to expand after all native lap, eskimos etc moved in! Just imagine if they even got a heavy war machine on the top! You guys would try to bomb the shit out of them before they even could lift one arm!
falxori 0
QuoteAs long Israel want and need to expand their borders
when exactly Israel wanted to expand its borders?
sorry, couldn't understand anything from the rest of your post...
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
434 2
Maybe Darius can translate for you!
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QuoteWhen you learn to look at the other side and actually maybe once consider cause and effect then maybe you will be able to see more. Unfortunately you are not very knowledgeable on the subject but you are sure that you are right about every thing at the same time. So I don’t see you ever seeing any thing or learning any thing new. When you say all Iranians are Jew haters or simpelfy the problem in such a manner that if you disagree with Israel you are a Jew hater there is no point in me continuing this conversation with you.
Yep your side sounds REAL PEACEFUL there Darius .. right from the mouth of the leadership.
This is your position.. its the position of the leadership in Hamasistan.... and across the muslim world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080300629.html
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said.
Oh and I love this LOVE AND LIGHT from Teheran
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm
RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".
"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.
Yeah... sounds like a peacefull nation to me
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>?that if the morons in Hamasistan stopped attacking.. peace would BREAK out
If the morons on BOTH sides stopped attacking peace would break out. It takes effort on both sides.
>The Israelis would have no reason . . . .
The old "but they made me kill them!" rationale. It's bullshit when either side does it.
>The Israeli’s protected their people and always have since the creation
>of the state of Israel.
Yep. Both sides "protect their people." And both will continue doing so until both Hamas and Israel find better reasons to not kill than to kill.
If the morons on BOTH sides stopped attacking peace would break out. It takes effort on both sides.
>The Israelis would have no reason . . . .
The old "but they made me kill them!" rationale. It's bullshit when either side does it.
>The Israeli’s protected their people and always have since the creation
>of the state of Israel.
Yep. Both sides "protect their people." And both will continue doing so until both Hamas and Israel find better reasons to not kill than to kill.
BillyVance 34
QuoteWhen you say all Iranians are Jew haters
I don't believe all of them are Jew haters, but what's your opinion of President Ahmadinejad and his crackhead comments toward Israel?
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Quote
Yep. Both sides "protect their people." And both will continue doing so until both Hamas and Israel find better reasons to not kill than to kill.
I respect your opinion, but are you kidding me? Hamas "protects their people"? How are they doing that while launching rockets from civilian areas, mosques and schools, knowing full well, that IDF were going to respond to the source of the fire?
Protecting their people, my ass!
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But But But... if they wore uniforms.. and did not operate from civilian area's.... the Israeli's would kill them .....
billvon 2,998
>Hamas "protects their people"? How are they doing that . . .
That's why I put it in quotes. It's bullshit when both sides say it.
That's why I put it in quotes. It's bullshit when both sides say it.
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Same same your country protecting you by attacking Irak? It makes it a lot more safer now when a half country with 3 generations hating you + alot more in the whole Arab world? Do you really believe your country will be safer in the future when the canons going silent?
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There are also rules for war, that’s why in WWII the Nazi party was help responsible because they had broken the rules of war not to mention the rules for humanity. You can not simply excuse all cruel action by saying it’s a war.
Worked for Stalin, didn't it? He even pinned the blame for some of his massacres on the Germans. Winners don't face war trials.
In a tit for tat game, the weaker side should stop with the tit, because they're losing heavily when the IDF responds with the tat.
no, it amounts to : every time we've tried, they tried to blow up the border crossings. simple as that.
what reason do they have to blow up the crossings that supply food to Gaza?
having a rough time is a result of war, that is not collective punishment.
civilians getting hurt because rockets are fired from their back yards is a violation of international law. by those who use them as human shields.
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