mnealtx 0 #26 December 31, 2008 Quote Quote Quote If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more. How's that drug prohibition working out for ya - do you really think that the criminals can't get guns the same way? If we could keep criminals from getting guns in the same way, I think that would qualify as "preventing guns getting into the wrong hands." I'm on your side on most gun issues, but can still emphatically agree that keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is an admirable goal. Quote I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does. Please show the numbers of criminals that bought their guns at a gun shop, thanks. Quote Did I miss something? I didn't notice where he said anything about gun shops. Personally, I think gun control enforcement should focus less on gun shops/shows and more on black market trading of guns. That would reduce the ease with which criminals can obtain guns, and thus could reduce the number of criminals who possess guns. Blues, Dave I don't disagree with your point - or the *basis* of his point. The operative problem is that more laws that hinder the legal purchase of firearms while doing NOTHING to stop illegal gun traffic (the actual problem) does nothing. When we can stop the cocaine/heroin/marijuana traffic into the country, let me know and I'll write my congresscritters to apply the same techniques to illegal gun trade.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #27 December 31, 2008 The homicide rate also fell last year for the general population. I don't think the wearing of armour by cops was a significant factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #28 January 1, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote If we could come up with ways of preventing guns getting into the wrong hands it would help even more. How's that drug prohibition working out for ya - do you really think that the criminals can't get guns the same way? If we could keep criminals from getting guns in the same way, I think that would qualify as "preventing guns getting into the wrong hands." I'm on your side on most gun issues, but can still emphatically agree that keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is an admirable goal. Quote I don't think concealed carry makes any difference, but the relative ease which you can obtain a weapon does. Please show the numbers of criminals that bought their guns at a gun shop, thanks. Quote Did I miss something? I didn't notice where he said anything about gun shops. Personally, I think gun control enforcement should focus less on gun shops/shows and more on black market trading of guns. That would reduce the ease with which criminals can obtain guns, and thus could reduce the number of criminals who possess guns. Blues, Dave I don't disagree with your point - or the *basis* of his point. The operative problem is that more laws that hinder the legal purchase of firearms while doing NOTHING to stop illegal gun traffic (the actual problem) does nothing. When we can stop the cocaine/heroin/marijuana traffic into the country, let me know and I'll write my congresscritters to apply the same techniques to illegal gun trade. It is embarrassing to see this http://www.toddbensman.com/Bensman/Gunrunning_to_Mexico_series.html (google "mexico us gunrunning" if you want more examples) You really think there is nothing that can be done to reduce this trade or are you saying because you can't stop all of it (like the drugs) there is no point doing anything. You do realize that if mexico collapses the incursions that we are seeing on our southern border will get way worse Are you also saying that you are not prepared to be inconvenienced in any way in order to help prevent criminals getting guns. Registration and banning undocumented gun transfer will reduce the flow of illegal weapons as it will increase traceability back to the source. Legal gun ownership is not the problem, the poorly regulated trade and supply of firearms is, the latter can be tackled without preventing the former. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 January 1, 2009 Quote It is embarrassing to see this http://www.toddbensman.com/Bensman/Gunrunning_to_Mexico_series.html (google "mexico us gunrunning" if you want more examples) You really think there is nothing that can be done to reduce this trade or are you saying because you can't stop all of it (like the drugs) there is no point doing anything. You do realize that if mexico collapses the incursions that we are seeing on our southern border will get way worse Are you also saying that you are not prepared to be inconvenienced in any way in order to help prevent criminals getting guns. Oh, c'mon - do you really think that the gunrunners are taking advantage of private sales or 'one gun a month' laws at gunshops? Show me where the Brady Bunch is doing something targeted DIRECTLY at gunrunners and not the law-abiding gun owners. Quote Registration and banning undocumented gun transfer will reduce the flow of illegal weapons as it will increase traceability back to the source. I say again (as illustration of the 'effectiveness' of prohibiting something) - how's that illegal trade in cocaine and heroin doing, lately? To wit - what the HELL makes you think that the criminals are going to suddenly stop getting illegal guns? Quote Legal gun ownership is not the problem, the poorly regulated trade and supply of firearms is, the latter can be tackled without preventing the former. Prove it. Try to prove that the trade is poorly regulated, I beg you. I've got several REAMS worth of laws and hoops that gun dealers have to go through to prove you wrong.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #30 January 1, 2009 Quote Quote It is embarrassing to see this http://www.toddbensman.com/Bensman/Gunrunning_to_Mexico_series.html (google "mexico us gunrunning" if you want more examples) You really think there is nothing that can be done to reduce this trade or are you saying because you can't stop all of it (like the drugs) there is no point doing anything. You do realize that if mexico collapses the incursions that we are seeing on our southern border will get way worse Are you also saying that you are not prepared to be inconvenienced in any way in order to help prevent criminals getting guns. Oh, c'mon - do you really think that the gunrunners are taking advantage of private sales or 'one gun a month' laws at gunshops? Show me where the Brady Bunch is doing something targeted DIRECTLY at gunrunners and not the law-abiding gun owners. Quote Registration and banning undocumented gun transfer will reduce the flow of illegal weapons as it will increase traceability back to the source. I say again (as illustration of the 'effectiveness' of prohibiting something) - how's that illegal trade in cocaine and heroin doing, lately? To wit - what the HELL makes you think that the criminals are going to suddenly stop getting illegal guns? Quote Legal gun ownership is not the problem, the poorly regulated trade and supply of firearms is, the latter can be tackled without preventing the former. Prove it. Try to prove that the trade is poorly regulated, I beg you. I've got several REAMS worth of laws and hoops that gun dealers have to go through to prove you wrong. Yup you've proved it, you still have your head in the dirt reading what you want, I have not mentioned gun shops but you still harp on about them. Why don't you come back when you have something constructive to add about reducing gun running instead of your usual knee jerk response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #31 January 1, 2009 Quote Registration and banning undocumented gun transfer will reduce the flow of illegal weapons as it will increase traceability back to the source. Yep, that'll do it. It's common knowledge how people who are willing to commit murder are scared to death of breaking laws requiring registration of firearms.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 January 1, 2009 Quote Yup you've proved it, you still have your head in the dirt reading what you want, I have not mentioned gun shops but you still harp on about them. And what else would this "gun trade" that you talk about be? Is there some sort of "Criminals'R'Us" where they get their guns from, perhaps? I'll say it again - show me where the anti-gunners have proposed a law that SOLELY targets gun-runners and has nothing in it to restrict the law-abiding gun owners. Until you do that, you're blowing smoke. Quote Why don't you come back when you have something constructive to add about reducing gun running instead of your usual knee jerk response. Physician, heal thyself.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #33 January 8, 2009 Oscar Grant , amadou Diallo , Sean Bell , Kheil Coppin, Jose Antonio Sanchez,Eric Pitt, Gary Busch .... etc etc ... Rest in Peace brothers and sisters , smile down on us , and prey for the souls of their killers . We are one! peace http://october22-ny.org/SLP/KilledbyNYPDsinceDiallo0808.pdf_________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #34 January 8, 2009 Quote Quote News: Law Enforcement Officers Killed in 2008 "2008 is ending as one of the safest years for U.S. law enforcement in decades. The number of officers killed in the line of duty fell sharply this year when compared with 2007, and officers killed by gunfire reached a 50-year low... "This year's reduction includes a steep, 40 percent drop in the number of officers who were shot and killed, from 68 in 2007 to 41 in 2008. The last time firearms-related fatalities were this low was 1956..." Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS34803+29-Dec-2008+PRN20081229 Remember all the strident cries from the gun-control folks about how allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms would endanger the lives of police officers on the streets? Gee, I guess that's not happening after all. To bad this cop wasn't one of em. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Phoenix-officer-forbids-neighbor-to-get-cat-PD/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx That's kind of fucked up. So did you read page two? http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Man-claims-Phoenix-officer-wouldnt-let-him-rescue/uSDXo0vALEiuKVsvSvFUfA.cspx?p=2"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raftman 12 #35 January 9, 2009 Law officer killed in 2009: Cpl. Norman Smith-Dallas TX. This year ain't starting out too good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
