skittles_of_SDC 0 #1 January 7, 2009 DISCLAIMER: I'm high on pain killers so there is a good chance this makes no sense. I'm sitting around watching TV with my busted tib-fib and happen to see 2 commericals in a row that say 'call if you were injured we may be able to get you money.' It's my fault I'm broken, I know it's my fault and I'm not going to try to hold others responsible for my mistakes. But how many people out there will see those commercials knowing that what they did to injure themselves is their fault and still try to sue? It's ridiculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 7, 2009 There is no one answer. The relative lack of socialism is one factor. For example if you and I have a car accident your health care provider will try to get me to pay for your medical bills. My health care provider on the other hand is the government so they will just fix me up and move on. Another reason is the use of juries in determining tort awards. This leads to inflated awards compared to jurisdictions where judges tend to lean more toward "sober deliberation." Lawsuits in Canada tend to be more 'loser pay' than in the US so lawyers are less likely to take on stupid cases because we are more likely to fight rather than settle. Sue me? Fuck you pay my lawyer. Canada is not absolutely loser pay and US is not absolutely 'everyone pay their own' but there is a relative tendency that way. i have been told that more US jurisdictions follow "strict liability" laws than other areas (you just need to prove injury, not negligence) but those with more legal knowledge might pipe in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 January 7, 2009 It's not just the States.... But (a lot of) people feel they they are owed and don't take personal responsibility seriously. The rewards for stupid little accidents can be staggering and some people are greedy - the courts are to blame for this and it personally makes me sick, especially when real victims (Firemen, military etc..) get fuck all in comparison. If there's blame then there's a claim - yes but make it realistic, consistent and proportionate - or tell them to fuck off and stop waste the courts time.... oh and ensure the lawyers only get a living wage. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 January 7, 2009 Some accidents do have a party at fault. and what is the most effective way to reach such potential clients, who are at home and high on painkillers? TV, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 January 7, 2009 A desire for justice. And greed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 January 7, 2009 QuoteI'm sitting around watching TV Guess who else sees those commercials? People who are out at work? They are people like you who are injured and looking to blame someone (often legitimately). They are also people with nothign else to do but sit around, watch television, and have nothing to lose by filing a suit. I frankly am ashamed at ads like that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #7 January 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm sitting around watching TV Guess who else sees those commercials? People who are out at work? They are people like you who are injured and looking to blame someone (often legitimately). They are also people with nothign else to do but sit around, watch television, and have nothing to lose by filing a suit. I frankly am ashamed at ads like that. Thats what I'm trying to get at. The way the ads are worded though they aren't directed toward people that got injured at work. Sure some of them will call, but the ones I saw today they were just like 'have you had a fall?' which makes it seem like if you fell while you were on somebody's property they will sue for you. maybe thats not how its meant to sound and wouldnt be that way if i call but thats how it comes across. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 January 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm sitting around watching TV Guess who else sees those commercials? People who are out at work? They are people like you who are injured and looking to blame someone (often legitimately). They are also people with nothign else to do but sit around, watch television, and have nothing to lose by filing a suit. I frankly am ashamed at ads like that. I don't fault them entirely, or the injured people. It's a dirty business, but someone's got to do it. MUNI (SF's transportation system) has been killing and injuring people left and right of late. A former coworker was on a runaway cable car after the operator got off to push it past a plateau and then ran into a closed door trying to get back on. My friend was out of work for several weeks and may need knee surgery as a result. How does MUNI respond to their responsibility? By ignoring the injured completely, forcing them to file lawsuits. Their thinking is that many won't, esp the tourists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 January 8, 2009 Absolutely. There are legitimate claims. But there are also scumbag lawyers out there. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 January 8, 2009 Say it ain't so (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #11 January 8, 2009 QuoteMy friend was out of work for several weeks and may need knee surgery as a result. How does MUNI respond to their responsibility? By ignoring the injured completely, forcing them to file lawsuits. Their thinking is that many won't, esp the tourists. In New Zealand's socialised healthcare system all parties would be fixed with no $ charge to any party, tourists included!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 January 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteMy friend was out of work for several weeks and may need knee surgery as a result. How does MUNI respond to their responsibility? By ignoring the injured completely, forcing them to file lawsuits. Their thinking is that many won't, esp the tourists. In New Zealand's socialised healthcare system all parties would be fixed with no $ charge to any party, tourists included! how many months later?! The tourist has to go home at some point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #13 January 9, 2009 Quotehow many months later?! The tourist has to go home at some point. ?!? Months? everyone is fixed as soon as possible, the more serious the faster. I broke my arm (ulna and radius) and as soon as they discovered it was a compaound fracture, I was put on a helecopter to the closest city and was given surgery. The accident was at 3pm and I woke at midnight the same day with plates and screws in my arm and was released to go home the next morning. No fucking around, no extra nights in the bed to get a better insurance claim and i had to pay nothing. If the same thing happened to a tourist they would recieve the same treatment. a minor injury does not get a helecopter ride but will be fixed in a toimely manner all the same! Why would you have to wait months? you could be dead by then."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 January 9, 2009 QuoteIn New Zealand's .. blah, blah, blah... Who cares? You're just a couple of silly islands in the middle of fuck-all. We're talking about the real world here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 January 9, 2009 QuoteQuotehow many months later?! The tourist has to go home at some point. ?!? Months? everyone is fixed as soon as possible, the more serious the faster. My friend had a knee injury. It was not a critical, have to operate immediately type injury. It's the kind where you rest on it for a few days so the swelling goes down, have an orthopedist examine it, and then schedule the procedure. The sort of routine we anecdotally hear takes a long time in these free medical systems. (and sad to say, with Kaiser in the US) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #16 January 12, 2009 it is the victim concsiousness engulfing the planet that leads people to believe that they are not responsible for everything that comes into their lives www.avatarepc.comwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 January 12, 2009 QuoteA desire for justice. And greed. I'll agree with the latter portion of your statement! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #18 January 12, 2009 The separation of the classes is huge. We all have a really good standard of living compared to the rest of the world but internally you can go as high as the sky. People think that’s what life is for and when they think they have the chance to make a million they take it. We as a society have lost some moral ground. There are people who do not sue and there are always people who think they are stupid for not doing so. Some people like to take as much as they can and they can even make people who weren’t takers become that way just from the fear of falling behind. So yea greed. Edit to add: Off course this is for frivolous lawsuits I am referring too.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #19 January 12, 2009 Quote I'm sitting around watching TV with my busted tib-fib What did you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #20 January 12, 2009 Hard landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 January 12, 2009 QuoteHard landing. were you wearing boots? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #22 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteHard landing. were you wearing boots? no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteHard landing. were you wearing boots? no Were you wearing a parachute? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #24 January 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hard landing. were you wearing boots? no Were you wearing a parachute? Yes. I decided that since I was going to jump out of a plane I had better have something to slow me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 January 12, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hard landing. were you wearing boots? no Were you wearing a parachute? Yes. I decided that since I was going to jump out of a plane I had better have something to slow me down. Did you open it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
