The Arab world has spoken…in support of Israel.

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"The one responsible for the massacres is Hamas,and not the Zionist entity, which in its own view reacted to the
firing of Palestinian missiles. Hamas needs to stop treating the blood of Palestinians lightly. They should not give the
Israelis a pretext,"
Nimr Hammad, advisor to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

"This terrible massacre would not have happened if the Palestinian people were united behind one leadership.
We are telling our Palestinian brothers that your Arab nation cannot extend a real helping hand if you don’t extend
your own hands to each other with love,"
Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal.

"Hamas' leadership must be reined in, even in Damascus,"
Egyptian Intelligence Minister Omar Suleiman.

"Your Arab brothers cannot extend to you the hand of real help, if you do not extend the hand of affection to each
other,"
Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal.

“Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, has blamed Hamas for triggering Israel's deadly raids on Gaza, by
not extending a six-month truce with the Jewish state,”
Al Jazeera.

"We have warned of this grave danger…We talked to them [Hamas] and we told them, 'please, we ask you, do not
end the truce. Let the truce continue and not stop", so that we could have avoided what happened,” Mahmoud Abbas,
Palestinian President.

"We expect the Palestinian side to say that if a cease-fire is announced, we'll stop firing rockets... (Egypt had seen)
the signals that Israel was determined to strike Hamas in Gaza for the past three months. They practically wrote it in
the sky…Unfortunately, they (Hamas) served Israel the opportunity on a golden platter to hit Gaza." Egyptian
Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit

Ahmed Aboul Gheit said the wounded were "barred from crossing" and he blamed "those in control of Gaza" for
putting the lives of the injured at risk.

“Hamas has given truth to the fear that Islamists care more about facing down Israel than taking care of their
people. Where was the anger when two Palestinian schoolgirls were killed in Gaza as Hamas rockets meant for
Israel fell short, just a day before Israel's bombardment began?”
Mona Eltahawy, New York-based columnist for Egypt's Al Masry Al Youm and Qatar's Al Arab.

"Hamas Leader Khaled Mash'al resembles [former Palestinian Authority chairman] Yasser Arafat in one way - both
are full of contradictions. But while Arafat's contradictions were meant to extract [concessions] from Israel, Khaled
Mash'al is at odds with himself and with the [interests of] Gaza, for he is undermining the Palestinian cause and
keeping the peace [process] in shackles. Unlike Arafat, Mash'al is more interested in his image as a hero of the
resistance than in the Palestinian cause, and he is [promoting the interests] of Iran,”
Egyptian MP Muhammad 'Ali Ibrahim, editor of the government daily Al-Gumhouriyya.

“Those who demonstrate against the military campaign on Gaza must realize that if Hamas had stopped pounding
Israel with its rockets, Israel would not have launched its attack. If the Palestinians focused on building their society
rather than destroying those of others, the whole region would enjoy peace and flourish. Should Palestinians
recognize the right of Israel to exist, end terrorism against Jews and nurture a sincere desire to live in peace, they
would end their suffering. The solution now is simply in the hands of the Palestinians - not the Israelis,”
Tawfik Hamid , Egypitan Muslim and author of Inside Jihad


Are you surprised? Or were you already aware? Or are you completely indifferent?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Do you have a link for sources?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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Absolutely.

Hamas has failed in the first duty of government in Gaza and must be replaced.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Do you have a link for sources?

Google is your friend. Here's 557 of them. Took me about... 7 seconds.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=This+terrible+massacre+would+not+have+happened+if+the+Palestinian+people+were+united+behind+one+leadership&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

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People with more than half a brain realized this a long time ago.

IF Hamas acts like a government the Israelis will treat them as such..... if they continue to act as terrorists and attack civilains in another country as they have always done.. then the might of the IDF will continue to SMITE them.

I think perhaps some in the arab world are beginning to tire of supporting a bunch of wanton murderers. Perhaps the Iranians and the jew haters here could learn something.

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Hi Amazon,

+1

JerryBaumchen

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Perhaps they don't want to learn anything - maybe they've already made their minds up; believing only what they wish to believe, paying only attention to information which confirms what they wish to believe.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Absolutely.

Hamas has failed in the first duty of government in Gaza and must be replaced.

Mike.

AND When a government is democratically elected it should be recognized and not denied and blockaded as Hamas was. Oh and in a democracy the majority wins not who the Israelis or the Unites Sates wants.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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IF Hamas acts like a government the Israelis will treat them as such

WOW I understand that we disagree and many have no clue what the facts are when it comes to history specily if you depand on US media but wasn’t HaMAS democratically elected and Israel, and the United Sates just decided that was not the result they wanted. Then basically have been starving the people with blockades?

Should we at least attempt to stay in the realm of reality? That would be nice

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if they continue to act as terrorists and attack civilains in another country as they have always done.. then the might of the IDF will continue to SMITE them.

Oh yea cause Israelis have caused no Terror and have not killed any woman, and children now or in the past 60 years. These are the same people who killed man, woman, and child when they first took over and start building their homes on top of Palestinians villages.

Oh yee all the people are indigenous that’s why the population has increased by 50%.

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I think perhaps some in the arab world are beginning to tire of supporting a bunch of wanton murderers. Perhaps the Iranians and the jew haters here could learn something.

You are extremely ignorant to think all Iranians are Jew haters or Jew Haters and Iranians are the same things, or that anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy hates Jews. It shows what we all know which is you have no clue when it comes to the Middle East and have no clue about history. Believe it or not there are plenty of Israelis who are of Persian decent.
And Jews are not hunted down in Iran all their rights are preserved and they can worship freely.


Why do you make statements that are not even based in this universe and pretend they are factual?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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AND When a government is democratically elected it should be recognized

you dont get it, do you?
Hamas won the elections to Parliment, not government. it took the lead in Gaza by force in a bloody que.

but it doesnt make any difference, I dont care if Allah himself came down and made them the government. once they are in power and continue shooting and refuse to accept treaties signed Israel and the world recognize them, as a target...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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AND When a government is democratically elected it should be recognized

you dont get it, do you?
Hamas won the elections to Parliment, not government. it took the lead in Gaza by force in a bloody que.

but it doesnt make any difference, I dont care if Allah himself came down and made them the government. once they are in power and continue shooting and refuse to accept treaties signed Israel and the world recognize them, as a target...

You can keep telling me and screaming that black is white but guess what black is black. I think you are to close to what going on to be rational. As I told you before you keep on changing your standard.

You mentioned International law, but when it shows Israel in a bad light you say it doesn’t mean any thing.

You even mentioned UN peacekeepers, which we both know Israel has denied their presence for years.

You talk about civilian casualties, yet excuse the massive amount of deaths caused by Israelis and not just this war but in the past 60 years.

You talk of justice yet fail to see the injustice in the treatment of the Palestinians.

There is not a humane being that should be treated in that manner. What I find most frustrating is how easily so many like your self excuse the severely hard life Palestinians have and not understand that Israelis choke hold is the reason for all the violence. They have nothing to lose and every thing that they did have has been takin by Israel, and every one expects them to sit there and take it. It is when people have nothing to lose that they strap a bomb to themselves. I know many specially the few idiots (not diracted at you ) we have on here might think Muslims are just born waiting to blow up but history has seen a lot of suicidal warriors, and they were all created out of desperation.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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As always, pretty much everything you've listed is twisted and one sided, so i'll just say one thing.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians that their supporters are people like you. You will immediately go against anything that is related to Israel that you miss the fact that Hamas and its pals have caused MUCH more damage to the Palestinian cause thatn Israel could ever do.

you are blinded by your hate towards Israel and you think that anyone who is against Israel HAS to be right. you contribute the their suffering with your "all or nothing" approach because guess what, they can't get it all, if they take your (and Hamas') "advice" they will be left with nothing...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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you are blinded by your hate towards Israel and you think that anyone who is against Israel HAS to be right. you contribute the their suffering with your "all or nothing" approach because guess what, they can't get it all, if they take your (and Hamas') "advice" they will be left with nothing...

I don’t want them to have it all as mention before there were Jews, Muslims, and Christians living in the area. I say let every one share or have an Equal part.

All I am saying is things need to be fair. All I am saying is people lived there and when Israel was formed the segregation started, and the Palestinians were pushed farther and farther away.

I have never said I like that HAMAS kills civilians, all I ever try to make people understand is the why.

If I sound one sided to you, you should watch the news in the US, It is more bias then the news you get in Israel it self.


Do you believe that this war right now will have a positive result?

You see I don’t. I think it will make the radicals on both sides more powerful, and has moved us away from peace. Peace will take patience and the ability to ignore minor infractions by people on both sides. If you are always looking for a reason to start a war or shot a rocket then there will never be peace.
I hold the more powerful parties involved Israel, and the United States more responsible because they are much more capable.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I don’t want them to have it all as mention before there were Jews, Muslims, and Christians living in the area

and there still are. your claims that Israel is a "be jewish or get the hell out" country is simply not true.

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Do you believe that this war right now will have a positive result?

no it won't. but you should ask Hamas that, being the ones who broke the cease fire...

if you really want to promote the Palestinian cause you should support the right parts in the Palestinian society. not the parts that consider violence as the only way.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Just once I'd like to see a thread on the Middle East that isn't completely dominated by Darius and Falxori. Guys, we know how you feel about this, over and over again. Give some other people a chance already. Together, the 2 of you make the threads damn near unreadable.

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if you really want to promote the Palestinian cause you should support the right parts in the Palestinian society. not the parts that consider violence as the only way.

For me what causes the violence is just as important.


For ex. (I know you love it when I do this) in the US Bank rubbery has goon up a huge percentage this year.

Now I can say wow those people are evil, or I can understand that times are tougher and people are pushed to do things they normally would not do.


That's the issue you and me have. I don’t think hamas is doing the right thing or even the smart thing, but part of the responsibility is on Israelis hand as they were part of the cause as I see it.

I think if the living conditions for the Palestinians would be improved so they could actually have something like a normal life; the violence would get less and less. It will never happen over night but it would happen eventually.

Either way both actions Israel and Hamas will cause more hate, more violence, and more loss of inocent lives.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Just once I'd like to see a thread on the Middle East that isn't completely dominated by Darius and Falxori. Guys, we know how you feel about this, over and over again. Give some other people a chance already. Together, the 2 of you make the threads damn near unreadable.

Well we both have a lot to say, and Ori is one of the people that I disagree with yet know in my heart is a good person and has a good sense of right and wrong. He is also a good debater and doesn’t get personal so I enjoy hearing his opinion on different points..


I do go away for days but do come back. I have lived half my life in the Middle East and he is living there now so we tend to get in to it a bit more then others.



Your welcome to add something and you won’t hear from me all weekend, and who knows you might even miss me Andy.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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You are extremely ignorant to think all Iranians are Jew haters or Jew Haters and Iranians are the same things, or that anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy hates Jews. It shows what we all know which is you have no clue when it comes to the Middle East and have no clue about history. Believe it or not there are plenty of Israelis who are of Persian decent.
And Jews are not hunted down in Iran all their rights are preserved and they can worship freely.


Why do you make statements that are not even based in this universe and pretend they are factual?

Irony score off the scale

Come on.. get off the radical fundimentalist websites and listening to Ahmedinijad

Which country is sending arms and supplying money and support for Hezzbollahistan and Hamasistan to attack Israeli civilians at will???

BUEHLER.....BUEHLER

( dont worry I know you are incapable of answering this)



Please compare and contrast the jewish populations of middle eastern countries in 1939 and 1969 Oh thats right... that would go against your ability to rail on and on in support of the islamic fundies point of view.

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It is when people have nothing to lose that they strap a bomb to themselves. I know many specially the few idiots (not diracted at you ) we have on here might think Muslims are just born waiting to blow up but history has seen a lot of suicidal warriors, and they were all created out of desperation.

The problem is the HAMAS leadership and the Imams who promise paradise to desparate people.. rather than trying to make THIS LIFE livable and rewarding.

Hey if its such a good deal why are the leaders and Imams not first in line???

things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Irony score off the scale

The only good thing about arguing with you is you make it so easy.



Irony? Ok I challenge you to find one time that’s in my 6 years of posting here to find one time where I have grouped a group of people and said something as stupid as what you just stated above.

I bet I will never see you say any thing to this, because once again you have no substance you are just trying to start shit.

As sated in the other thread, you have said it your self lets kill them all when you were talking about the Middle East glass parking lot and all. What is the point of arguing with you when that’s is your solution.

Have a good day.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Hey if its such a good deal why are the leaders and Imams not first in line???

Because like all leaderships they send there poor and young to die as there children go to privet school.

Let me guess you think that just happens in Muslim countries as well right?

WHY DO I KEEP RESPONDING TO YOU. STOP Darius no matter what crazy shit she writes don’t say any thing.

Fuck I wish I were busy at work.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Irony? Ok I challenge you to find one time that’s in my 6 years of posting here to find one time where I have grouped a group of people and said something as stupid as what you just stated above.

I bet I will never see you say any thing to this, because once again you have no substance you are just trying to start shit.

As sated in the other thread, you have said it your self lets kill them all when you were talking about the Middle East glass parking lot and all. What is the point of arguing with you when that’s is your solution.

Have a good day.

Hey if it works to get rid of 7th century ideals ... I am all for it. I have been to the middle east.... if they cant live peacefully with the world.. then reap the fucking whirlwind...

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Hamas has failed in the first duty of government in Gaza and must be replaced.

Mike.

When a government is democratically elected it should be recognized and not denied and blockaded as Hamas was...

The FIRST duty of a government is to see to the safety and security of its people. I appreciate that Gaza under Hamas has been blockaded by Israel, however the blockade has been justified by Hamas launching missile attacks on Israel.

In effect, had it been ALL Melons, rather than Missiles going through the tunnels, then the blockade would have been long lifted.

As such, Hamas has failed to transition from its aggressive roots into behaving as a political party and government is expected. Look to how Sinn Fein has transitioned from the IRA under Gerry Adams & Martin McGuinness too see how it's done.

Since Hamas as the government in Gaza has committed wilful hostile acts against a neighbouring country, that's rightly viewed as an act of war, so the Israeli response is unsurprising... War!

The closest recent historical parallel is America's 1941 oil embargo on Japan in response to Japanese occupation of Manchuria, Japanese response by attacking Pearl Harbour with expansion into the "Southern Resource Area", and the ensuing war (which Japan lost). Would you argue that America was not justified in responding as it did to Japanese actions in 1941-45?... The Japanese position is effectively identical to Hamas in Gaza.

I honestly believe that any endorsement of Hamas actions and condemnation of the Israeli is indefensible on this occasion. The killing of a senior Hamas Gaza Government Official who earned his position by schooling & indoctrinating others as Suicide-Bombers only strengthens Israels position.

Regards,

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Irony? Ok I challenge you to find one time that’s in my 6 years of posting here to find one time where I have grouped a group of people and said something as stupid as what you just stated above.

This isn't quite irony, but it's still funny.

You're asking her to come up with an example of your stupidity, which would be evaluated by you? Hmm...wonder what the results will be.

Sounds a productive as laying down weapons and hoping the other side won't kill me.

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Just once I'd like to see a thread on the Middle East that isn't completely dominated by Darius and Falxori. Guys, we know how you feel about this, over and over again. Give some other people a chance already. Together, the 2 of you make the threads damn near unreadable.

Does anyone here besides Falxori actually have a personal stake in the affair? We got legions of Jew (or Israel) haters, legions of defenders of the right to self defense, and one guy whose life is actually involved.

He shows remarkable restraint, if you ask me.