Andy9o8 2 #26 January 12, 2009 Quote How did you people ever get along before the development of the affordable cell phone? Same way people got along before the development of the affordable car. Or the affordable desktop computer. Which is: just fine. But once the technology is integrated into your daily lifestyle, yesterday's luxury becomes today's necessity. I had the same argument about cell phones with my mom, who's in her 70's. I reminded her that 40+ years ago, she used to roll her eyes when her parents could not, for the life of them, understand how any family could need more than 1 car and 1 phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #27 January 12, 2009 Quote I remember speeding a lot to music in my youth. Music certainly has effect I noticed that about rock music while in my 20's. It made me more aggressive and pissed off in the car too. Trust me, I don't need that . Don't listen to it in the car much anymore. The biggest difference between a cell phone and a passenger is that a passenger can usually tell when the driving is about to get tense, and they'll stop talking, which stops the distracting. A cell phone person can't, which means that the driver generally tries to maintain a non-driving conversation style while on the phone. You're on the phone to converse, not to just hang with the person or get somewhere. Kids can't tell when things are getting tense, but you can ignore your kids, and you can tell them to be quiet (well, you can tell them). Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #28 January 12, 2009 www.livescience.com/technology/050201_cell_danger.html www.aaafoundation.org/resources/index.cfm?button=cellphone bicycleuniverse.info/cars/cellphones.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #29 January 12, 2009 i agree, a lot of drivers dont pay attention to the road, but the cellphone didnt help, if she wasnt yaking on the phone she would of heard my horn or seen me waving. i was not in a blind spotThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #30 January 12, 2009 Quote While agree with a ban using mythbusters as a source of significant research is silly. It's ENTERTAINMENT! There scientific method is use more explosive.And yes I watch it. everyone loves more explosives haha, i agree but some of the stuff they do has some scientific meritThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 January 12, 2009 Quote Did you ever look in your mirror and see the carnage that you left behind? mirror? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 January 12, 2009 Quotei agree, a lot of drivers dont pay attention to the road, but the cellphone didnt help, if she wasnt yaking on the phone she would of heard my horn or seen me waving. i was not in a blind spot I did all those things - as I'm sure you know, swerving first and honking later works better for your safety. There will always be subpar drivers. They're probably most effected by cell phone use, but they're also nearly incompetent if there's a wreck on the side of the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 January 12, 2009 QuoteNumerous tests, and mythbusters, have shown that talking on a cell phone is worse than drunk driving. so why aren't there 10s of thousands of fatalities because of cell phones? Far more people spend far more time using the phone then driving drunk, and yet the results clearly show your claim to be false. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 January 12, 2009 BTW, I watched the mythbuster episode. From a science standpoint, it was one of their weaker trials. Not well constructed, and producing results that are slightly better than anecdotal. Social science is hard to model, and harder in 20 minutes of TV time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #35 January 12, 2009 Quote We should take the radios/cd/mp3 players out of the cars too. my driving may be affected when I use a hands free set but not to the point where I crash into shit. Its like talking to someone who is in the passenger seat. Except when someone is sitting in my passenger seat I occasionally look at them I don't do that while using a hands fre device. A person I usedtaknowdrove mostly stoned or drunk several times a week for 25 years and never crashed into shit either. Just lucky I guess and I'm told he knows better now.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #36 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuote Sorry, but it's not even CLOSE to the same thing. Ian So Maybe we should make carpooling mandatory. Come on. I mean if your driving really sucks that bad then YOU should definitely not talk. Hands free or not. I haven't crashed, caused a crash or come colse to crashing while I have been on a hands free device. Its just another area that idiots are trying to make our decisions for us.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #37 January 12, 2009 QuoteSide note: Expecting people to be responsible with cell phones while driving, is like expecting people to be responsible with canopy flight in the same airspace. Both work well in theory, neither work in the real world when plain old ego's come into play. Ian So are you planning starting a canopy ban too? Basically what you're saying is that because a small percentage of people suck at one thing than we have to dumb down the rest of society.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites n23x 0 #38 January 12, 2009 Agreed. Perhaps those of us with exemplary driving records should be able to comment, and those people who require an extra (or couple extra) pairs of eyes to drive should simply stand down, and recognize that they themselves aren't fit to drive a car. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #39 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteNumerous tests, and mythbusters, have shown that talking on a cell phone is worse than drunk driving. so why aren't there 10s of thousands of fatalities because of cell phones? Far more people spend far more time using the phone then driving drunk, and yet the results clearly show your claim to be false. Got a source? (EDIT: NEVERMIND KELPDIVER. I Thought you asked WHY ARE there 10's of thousands...) The arguement a few have made about passengers is weak at best too. The arguement used is assuming that the passenger is a driver and a good one. Ever drive with a child?(or worse CHILDREN?) They are a huge distraction. What about the moments when the situation may get tense. Some one white knuckling the dash and yelling doesn't help concentration. FYI- The radio doesn't shut up either when the shit hits the fan.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #40 January 12, 2009 the most distracting issues that have ever been in my car were certain girls. Oddly, it wasn't universal, and it wasn't an issue with my girlfriend, but there were a couple that seemed to spark creative driving, just about every time. But I see where we're going - soon the driver will be in a sound proof bubble, and the passengers will be hidden behind one way glass. And since the driver will be bored to sleep by the complete lack of anything distracting, there will be caffeine on an IV drip. Stick shifts will be banned as well - no way could someone steer the car while having to shift! (In high school, I was very good at driving/shifting while holding a super gulp.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #41 January 12, 2009 Quote Quote We should take the radios/cd/mp3 players out of the cars too. my driving may be affected when I use a hands free set but not to the point where I crash into shit. Its like talking to someone who is in the passenger seat. Except when someone is sitting in my passenger seat I occasionally look at them I don't do that while using a hands fre device. A person I usedtaknowdrove mostly stoned or drunk several times a week for 25 years and never crashed into shit either. Just lucky I guess and I'm told he knows better now. I wrote my statement (the one the you bolded) for the fact that I can't claim that I drive the same under every situation. I DO NOT swerve, drive slower, drive erratically when I am on a hands free. I doubt it's luck. I always take stock of my scenario. I.E. I make sure I have an out. If I drive in traffic I make sure I am not boxed in or tailgating etc. Talking on a hands free phone has not adjusted my driving. Let's address pedestrians. I see them walking, joggin biking with earphones in. While I agree that drivers should be on the look out for them it's not restricted there. Ask any GOOD Biker (motorcycle) I bet they wouls say that when they grab their keys there are assuming that everyone from here to their destination is going to try to kill them. It's called defensive driving. Reading "signals" before "actions."My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites usedtajump 1 #42 January 12, 2009 I always take stock of my scenario. I.E. I make sure I have an out. If I drive in traffic I make sure I am not boxed in or tailgating etc. Yeah sure, so did "he".The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #43 January 12, 2009 QuoteI haven't crashed, caused a crash or come colse to crashing while I have been on a hands free device. I haven't crashed into anyone on landing either. Then again, neither had Danny until he collided with Bob. The biggest problem with your logic is that it revolves around a misguided perception that you're somehow immune from making mistakes, or being distracted by things. Normally I'd have little issue with it, but since YOUR actions behind the wheel can effect ME, I have a vested interest in making sure they don't. Reminds me a lot of the "I can downsize cause I'm better than everyone else" attitude. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #44 January 12, 2009 QuoteAsk any GOOD Biker (motorcycle) I bet they wouls say that when they grab their keys there are assuming that everyone from here to their destination is going to try to kill them. QFT People on mobile phones are NOT concentrating 100% on their driving, no matter what they claim. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #45 January 12, 2009 Quote People are NOT concentrating 100% on their driving, no matter what they claim. slight correction made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #46 January 12, 2009 That's also true. But, If I see someone with his/her head on one side - probably holding a mobile phone on their shoulder, then the most certainly have not got their head on a swivel - [Alarm-Bells]. If they need to make/take that call - stop the fucking car. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #47 January 12, 2009 QuoteThat's also true. But, If I see someone with his/her head on one side - probably holding a mobile phone on their shoulder, then the most certainly have not got their head on a swivel - [Alarm-Bells]. If they need to make/take that call - stop the fucking car. Yeah, and don't stop on the emergency lane on the highway either, go up an exit ramp and stop there or pull into a gas station or lot. Some stopped cars in the emergency lane have been smashed into by speeding vehicles."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #48 January 12, 2009 yeap, that too. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #49 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteI haven't crashed, caused a crash or come colse to crashing while I have been on a hands free device. I haven't crashed into anyone on landing either. Then again, neither had Danny until he collided with Bob. The biggest problem with your logic is that it revolves around a misguided perception that you're somehow immune from making mistakes, or being distracted by things. Normally I'd have little issue with it, but since YOUR actions behind the wheel can effect ME, I have a vested interest in making sure they don't. Reminds me a lot of the "I can downsize cause I'm better than everyone else" attitude. Ian YOUR assumption is that we will all crash and burn. I don't assume that I am immune. That is why I take stock in my scenario. YOU want to make decision for everyone it seems. Is it only ok for someone to downsize only after you deem it ok? Do you listen to the radio when you drive? Do you ever use a map or a GPS? YOU have a holier than thou attitude. Whose to say you won't slam into someone. what precautions do YOU TAKE?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LaRusic 0 #50 January 12, 2009 someone is always going to bitch and complain about restrictions imposed on something they do, they assume something like driving is their right and that they should be able to do it however they please. Fact is, driving is a privilege that can be taken away. Just rencently there was a new law set for anyone caught going 50km over posted speed limits. automatic $10 000 fine, car impounded and license revoked on the spot, and of course tons of people complained about it. But ya know what too fucking bad, at the end of the day its about the saftey of everyone around you not just some convenience factor for you. if you are looking for sympathy you can find it in the dictionary between shit and syphilisThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jtval 0 #37 January 12, 2009 QuoteSide note: Expecting people to be responsible with cell phones while driving, is like expecting people to be responsible with canopy flight in the same airspace. Both work well in theory, neither work in the real world when plain old ego's come into play. Ian So are you planning starting a canopy ban too? Basically what you're saying is that because a small percentage of people suck at one thing than we have to dumb down the rest of society.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #38 January 12, 2009 Agreed. Perhaps those of us with exemplary driving records should be able to comment, and those people who require an extra (or couple extra) pairs of eyes to drive should simply stand down, and recognize that they themselves aren't fit to drive a car. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #39 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteNumerous tests, and mythbusters, have shown that talking on a cell phone is worse than drunk driving. so why aren't there 10s of thousands of fatalities because of cell phones? Far more people spend far more time using the phone then driving drunk, and yet the results clearly show your claim to be false. Got a source? (EDIT: NEVERMIND KELPDIVER. I Thought you asked WHY ARE there 10's of thousands...) The arguement a few have made about passengers is weak at best too. The arguement used is assuming that the passenger is a driver and a good one. Ever drive with a child?(or worse CHILDREN?) They are a huge distraction. What about the moments when the situation may get tense. Some one white knuckling the dash and yelling doesn't help concentration. FYI- The radio doesn't shut up either when the shit hits the fan.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 January 12, 2009 the most distracting issues that have ever been in my car were certain girls. Oddly, it wasn't universal, and it wasn't an issue with my girlfriend, but there were a couple that seemed to spark creative driving, just about every time. But I see where we're going - soon the driver will be in a sound proof bubble, and the passengers will be hidden behind one way glass. And since the driver will be bored to sleep by the complete lack of anything distracting, there will be caffeine on an IV drip. Stick shifts will be banned as well - no way could someone steer the car while having to shift! (In high school, I was very good at driving/shifting while holding a super gulp.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #41 January 12, 2009 Quote Quote We should take the radios/cd/mp3 players out of the cars too. my driving may be affected when I use a hands free set but not to the point where I crash into shit. Its like talking to someone who is in the passenger seat. Except when someone is sitting in my passenger seat I occasionally look at them I don't do that while using a hands fre device. A person I usedtaknowdrove mostly stoned or drunk several times a week for 25 years and never crashed into shit either. Just lucky I guess and I'm told he knows better now. I wrote my statement (the one the you bolded) for the fact that I can't claim that I drive the same under every situation. I DO NOT swerve, drive slower, drive erratically when I am on a hands free. I doubt it's luck. I always take stock of my scenario. I.E. I make sure I have an out. If I drive in traffic I make sure I am not boxed in or tailgating etc. Talking on a hands free phone has not adjusted my driving. Let's address pedestrians. I see them walking, joggin biking with earphones in. While I agree that drivers should be on the look out for them it's not restricted there. Ask any GOOD Biker (motorcycle) I bet they wouls say that when they grab their keys there are assuming that everyone from here to their destination is going to try to kill them. It's called defensive driving. Reading "signals" before "actions."My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #42 January 12, 2009 I always take stock of my scenario. I.E. I make sure I have an out. If I drive in traffic I make sure I am not boxed in or tailgating etc. Yeah sure, so did "he".The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #43 January 12, 2009 QuoteI haven't crashed, caused a crash or come colse to crashing while I have been on a hands free device. I haven't crashed into anyone on landing either. Then again, neither had Danny until he collided with Bob. The biggest problem with your logic is that it revolves around a misguided perception that you're somehow immune from making mistakes, or being distracted by things. Normally I'd have little issue with it, but since YOUR actions behind the wheel can effect ME, I have a vested interest in making sure they don't. Reminds me a lot of the "I can downsize cause I'm better than everyone else" attitude. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #44 January 12, 2009 QuoteAsk any GOOD Biker (motorcycle) I bet they wouls say that when they grab their keys there are assuming that everyone from here to their destination is going to try to kill them. QFT People on mobile phones are NOT concentrating 100% on their driving, no matter what they claim. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 January 12, 2009 Quote People are NOT concentrating 100% on their driving, no matter what they claim. slight correction made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #46 January 12, 2009 That's also true. But, If I see someone with his/her head on one side - probably holding a mobile phone on their shoulder, then the most certainly have not got their head on a swivel - [Alarm-Bells]. If they need to make/take that call - stop the fucking car. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #47 January 12, 2009 QuoteThat's also true. But, If I see someone with his/her head on one side - probably holding a mobile phone on their shoulder, then the most certainly have not got their head on a swivel - [Alarm-Bells]. If they need to make/take that call - stop the fucking car. Yeah, and don't stop on the emergency lane on the highway either, go up an exit ramp and stop there or pull into a gas station or lot. Some stopped cars in the emergency lane have been smashed into by speeding vehicles."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #48 January 12, 2009 yeap, that too. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #49 January 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteI haven't crashed, caused a crash or come colse to crashing while I have been on a hands free device. I haven't crashed into anyone on landing either. Then again, neither had Danny until he collided with Bob. The biggest problem with your logic is that it revolves around a misguided perception that you're somehow immune from making mistakes, or being distracted by things. Normally I'd have little issue with it, but since YOUR actions behind the wheel can effect ME, I have a vested interest in making sure they don't. Reminds me a lot of the "I can downsize cause I'm better than everyone else" attitude. Ian YOUR assumption is that we will all crash and burn. I don't assume that I am immune. That is why I take stock in my scenario. YOU want to make decision for everyone it seems. Is it only ok for someone to downsize only after you deem it ok? Do you listen to the radio when you drive? Do you ever use a map or a GPS? YOU have a holier than thou attitude. Whose to say you won't slam into someone. what precautions do YOU TAKE?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaRusic 0 #50 January 12, 2009 someone is always going to bitch and complain about restrictions imposed on something they do, they assume something like driving is their right and that they should be able to do it however they please. Fact is, driving is a privilege that can be taken away. Just rencently there was a new law set for anyone caught going 50km over posted speed limits. automatic $10 000 fine, car impounded and license revoked on the spot, and of course tons of people complained about it. But ya know what too fucking bad, at the end of the day its about the saftey of everyone around you not just some convenience factor for you. if you are looking for sympathy you can find it in the dictionary between shit and syphilisThe Altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel not in the plane are totally worthless Dudeist Skydiver # 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
