Closing Gitmo.

[idrankwhat 0]

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Neither my principles nor integrity are sacrificed by my armed forces dragging - in any way necessary - vital, AMERICAN life saving information out of an enemy that actively participates in the attempted destruction of my fellow man and my country.

Or dragging completely bullshit information out of them.

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These people are not criminals. They are enemy soldiers. Their mission is to kill me, my family, and every American - even libs like you.

Except for the ones who aren't.
The policy of "do as I say, not as I do" makes more problems than it rectifies. Damn smarmy too. That (and any moral issues) aside, I don't know about you but I expect my country to abide by the terms of the treaties that it signs.

[idrankwhat 0]

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You very tricky...I see now that we Republican's will need to rewrite the district maps to our favor.

Oh no.........not AGAIN!!

[Amazon 7]

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to not become him you must first defeat him.

The most important thing to defeating an enemy is to be SMARTER than they are.

I am glad we have finally turned that corner and have some one there now with the intellect to persue a SANE course of action to defeat those who attacked us.

[Coreece 190]

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>I voted more than once, just like a democrat.


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>>I purged the votes just like a Republican

I'm saving this....

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 2,998]

>to not become him you must first defeat him.

Agreed. And to defeat him we must ignore the people who advocate failed methods, and instead heed the advice of people who can defeat the enemy.

[normiss 803]

So we're good to break out the nukes again?


Seemed to be rather good advice last time around.

[billvon 2,998]

>So we're good to break out the nukes again?

No one thought we needed nukes to win any war.

[shropshire 0]

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That's still debatable and not a Fact.

what's debatable? did we loose WWII and they have lied to me all these years?

Get with the program ... it's debatable that the dropping of The Bombs was necassary.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[normiss 803]

Apparently President Truman did.
The Russians seemed rather impressed and appreciative of it's use as well.

[billvon 2,998]

>Apparently President Truman did.

Right. And apparently the last administration thought we needed to torture people to win the Iraq war. They were wrong too.

>The Russians seemed rather impressed and appreciative of it's use as well.

Which, arguably, was one of the primary reasons they were used - to gain a bargaining chip for political purposes.

[normiss 803]

Truman was right, it did end the war.
Our previous administration obviously did make some mistakes, I'll give you that. They're not by any means the first nor the last administration to do that.
Just wait.

You don't think assisting allies is a good move though?

[shropshire 0]

aye and a good field test too... to test out both types available

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[billvon 2,998]

>Truman was right, it did end the war.

So would killing every Japanese in the world, including the ones in our internment camps. Many things can end a war. Not all of them are a good idea.

>You don't think assisting allies is a good move though?

Assisting allies through giving them food, lending them money, licensing them technology etc is often a good idea. Assisting them by attacking a third party rarely is.

[normiss 803]

I personally don't see a nation that declares was on us a "third party".
Assisting our allies during our war with another nation by saving some of their lives is a win-win.
Or at least that was the idea.

[billvon 2,998]

>I personally don't see a nation that declares was on us a "third party".
>Assisting our allies during our war with another nation by saving some of their
>lives is a win-win.

Are you talking about World War II?

If so, then the primary reason involving Russia that Truman used the bomb was not to assist them, but rather to make it very clear that we had a bomb that we could use against them if it came to that.

Soviet Marshal Georgii Zhukov said this about Truman's decision afterwards:

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I do not recall the exact date, but after the close of one of the formal meetings Truman informed Stalin that the United States now possessed a bomb of exceptional power, without, however, naming it the atomic bomb.

As was later written abroad, at that moment Churchill fixed his gaze on Stalin's face, closely observing his reaction. However, Stalin did not betray his feelings and pretended that he saw nothing special in what Truman had imparted to him. Both Churchill and many other Anglo-American authors subsequently assumed that Stalin had really failed to fathom the significance of what he had heard.

In actual fact, on returning to his quarters after this meeting Stalin, in my presence, told Molotov about his conversation with Truman. The latter reacted amost immediately. "Let them. We'll have to talk it over with Kurchatov and get him to speed things up."

I realized that they were talking about research on the atomic bomb.

It was clear already then that the US Government intended to use the atomic weapon for the purpose of achieving its Imperialist goals from a position of strength in "the cold war." This was amply corroborated on August 6 and 8. Without any military need whatsoever, the Americans dropped two atomic bombs on the peaceful and densely-populated Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Doesn't sound like they saw it as "assisting our allies by saving some of their lives." They didn't even think there was a need.

[FreeflyChile 0]

Getting back to Gitmo for a second:

When they close the base, what happens to the land the base sits on?

[Amazon 7]

We get to keep it.. we have had it for a while

[normiss 803]

Weird.
A Soviet opinion on why our government made a decision that also saved Russian lives.



Interesting question about keeping Gitmo though...we ARE keeping the base, correct? Just closing the "detention center"?
Surely we have plenty of spying left to do on Cuba!
Someone needs to fiure out how in the hell they have kept those POS American cars running for over 50 years without any parts! American cars are junk! Most folks her have stated so ad nauseum.

[Amazon 7]

We will keep it in perpetuity... by virtue of a treaty signed just after the Spanish American War.

The Cubans COULD renegotiate but it would take both parties to agree to its closing.


And we will certainly keep it.. if nothing else to piss off the commies down there.

And have a resort to send marines to

[BillyVance 34]

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We will keep it in perpetuity... by virtue of a treaty signed just after the Spanish American War.

The Cubans COULD renegotiate but it would take both parties to agree to its closing.


And we will certainly keep it.. if nothing else to piss off the commies down there.

And have a resort to send marines to

Ah... thanks for the history lesson. I KNEW we have had that base there since before the Castro revolution, but didn't know how it started or when. And yes, it has been the bane of existence for the Castro administration.

Marines know to stay away from the perimeter fences out of sight of the Cuban soldiers, IIRC.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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You keep that same sentiment when these douches blow something else up in the USA after their release

[Andy9o8 2]

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People who are not willing to do what is necessary to win wars will eventually be oppressed by people who are.

We DO hold ourselves to a higher standard. That's why our "torture" consists of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and playing old Dean Martin records real loud. Their's consists of rape with splintered broomsticks, daily beatings, genital eletrocution, and a variety of other wonderful things.

Get a grip on reality before you are a muslim by force.

Idiots. Geez.

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[billvon 2,998]

>That's why our "torture" consists of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and
>playing old Dean Martin records real loud. Their's consists of rape with
>splintered broomsticks, daily beatings, genital eletrocution, and a variety of
>other wonderful things.

Actually, our torture includes raping people with cylumes and broomsticks, being beaten to death, being crucified (i.e. hung by the arms until you suffocate) drownings and a variety of other wonderful things.

Which is one reason making it clear that none of these things is OK is important.

[FallingOsh 0]

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>That's why our "torture" consists of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and
>playing old Dean Martin records real loud. Their's consists of rape with
>splintered broomsticks, daily beatings, genital eletrocution, and a variety of
>other wonderful things.

Actually, our torture includes raping people with cylumes and broomsticks, being beaten to death, being crucified (i.e. hung by the arms until you suffocate) drownings and a variety of other wonderful things.

Which is one reason making it clear that none of these things is OK is important.

That's the exact black and white mentality towards interrogation that I'm talking about. Crucifiction does not equate to sleep deprivation or loud music. One is ok (if it proves useful), the other is not (in any case).

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First and foremost... the closing of Guantanamo Bay's prison removes a stain from our national honor. The excuses used by those who were in power has damaged this country deeply. The stench of those acts will linger in the worlds memory for a long time and could very well come back to haunt our people in the future.

Breaking international laws.... have consequences.

Perhaps now.. the rule of law can return and these people who have broken the law's of mankind can be prosecuted... ALL OF THEM.

Well said and worth repeating , till it sinks in with those that can not see a problem with the tactics of the last president and all his men.

This whole post is so full of shit and un-verifiable platitudes it shinks. (everything above in this window)

So much so it is funny

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln