miked10270 0 #26 January 24, 2009 Here's a little background: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3028820.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7848038.stm At present no-one is happy since the funding starts & stops according to US Presidential opinion!As such, some compromise must be reached, but this is frustrated by the entrenched extreme attitudes of both the Pro-Life and the Pro-Choice groups. One solution may be to refuse aid to any group which does actually carry out or finance abortion while allowing funding for groups which advocate its legalisation? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #27 January 24, 2009 How about this compromise - Funding for groups that give reproductive advice, but no direct funding for abortions. How's that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #28 January 24, 2009 Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/23/obama-lift-ban-overseas-abortion-funding/ Perfect. Obama is delivering like a MF already, First Gitmo, then this. I'm going to enjoy the next four years. Having worked as a volunteer for a very prominent pro-choice organization, I couldn't be happier. Also, despite what some on the far religious right would have you believe, most people consider this issue settled and don't want to revisit it. I have a great recipe for fetus fajitas too, so it's all good. Flame away...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #29 January 24, 2009 i wish my government was half as proactive as obama has been in the last few days we may actually get out of this recession we are in great decision for personal freedom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 January 24, 2009 QuoteHow about this compromise - Funding for groups that give reproductive advice, but no direct funding for abortions. How's that? Funny bill, but that is what I posted on page one"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #31 January 24, 2009 Quote I have a great recipe for fetus fajitas too, so it's all good. Well, I hope the funding includes on-going mental help that is required after the mind fuck of realizing that you gave your child up to the cannibals instead of adoptive parents. ...seems counterproductive....but i guess that's just me. Every woman I know who has had an abortion is now fucked in the head... I'd have to say I'm "pro life," but how can I make that choice for a woman... Perhaps I could come to the conclusion that I support making a decision to abort as difficult on the mother as possible, with the intent to dissuade an abortion, while still allowing a choice. Is this fair? I think a fetus deserves that much....it shouldn't be an easy decision to just toss it away....end of problem....because it's not. ...sorry, but I feel this is as "amreican" as I can get in regards to abortion. Part of me says tough luck sweetheart...you dance with the devil, you get burned....just like the rest of us. Be a woman and suck it up. I feel like a coward/hypocrite in my inabilty to make a decision on this. What a dilema.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #32 January 24, 2009 QuoteI'd have to say I'm "pro life," but how can I make that choice for a woman... Perhaps I could come to the conclusion that I support making a decision to abort as difficult on the mother as possible, with the intent to dissuade an abortion, while still allowing a choice. Is this fair? No, it's not our position to control the importance of a someone else's decision. We should provide as much legitimate unbiased information w/r/t parental planning, such that she can make an informed decision that best suits her specific situation. QuotePart of me says tough luck sweetheart...you dance with the devil, you get burned....just like the rest of us. Be a woman and suck it up. The differences between the male and female responsibilities (post-conception) makes this a stupid statement. Being forced to bear an unwanted child is a stupid punishment for... "playing with fire". .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #33 January 24, 2009 Quote The differences between the male and female responsibilities (post-conception) makes this a stupid statement. This statement was meant in the full scope of making a bad decision...not equating the responsibilities (post-conception) of men to women Quote Being forced to bear an unwanted child is a stupid punishment for... "playing with fire". Thinking that it is a punishment to have a baby after having sex is stupid.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #34 January 24, 2009 Elaborate on "full scope of making a bad decision"? When you say this: QuotePart of me says tough luck sweetheart...you dance with the devil, you get burned....just like the rest of us. Be a woman and suck it up. You are effectively saying: "You decided to have sex, so you HAVE to have the baby". It's making someone do something they either didn't want to do, or didn't intend to do, for a perceived transgression (in this case, sex). That is the definition of punishment! .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #35 January 24, 2009 Quote .... Thinking that it is a punishment to have a baby after having sex is stupid. What are you? Male or female? What a crackbrained post ..... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 January 24, 2009 QuoteElaborate on "full scope of making a bad decision"? When you say this: QuotePart of me says tough luck sweetheart...you dance with the devil, you get burned....just like the rest of us. Be a woman and suck it up. You are effectively saying: "You decided to have sex, so you HAVE to have the baby". It's making someone do something they either didn't want to do, or didn't intend to do, for a perceived transgression (in this case, sex). That is the definition of punishment! .jim No, you are saying that no one should be responsible for their own actions. But that is what abortion is about. So you can get laid I guess and not have to pay child support. After all, we would not want to punish you with a baby"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #37 January 24, 2009 QuoteYou are effectively saying: "You decided to have sex, so you HAVE to have the baby". I'm saying that if you want to have sex and don't want to have a baby, there are plenty of measures to take that ensure your likely hood of becomming pregnant are minimal. I've already stated that I cannot, in good conscience force a woman to have a baby. I can agree with you that there should be a wealth of accurate information given to a woman so that she can make an informed decision that is best for her.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #38 January 24, 2009 Quote What a crackbrained post ..... yeah...its not like the purpose of sex is to reproduce....Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #39 January 24, 2009 Marc, You bitch about social wellfare, and then bitch about family planning, and then bitch about abortions. Do you think any of the above 3 things are related!? Seriously? Quote No, you are saying that no one should be responsible for their own actions. But that is what abortion is about. So you can get laid I guess and not have to pay child support. After all, we would not want to punish you with a baby Just to be clear, it is stupid to force people to have children when they don't want to. It is unfair to the child to be born into such a situation, and unfair to the parents who may not be in a position to raise the child. You might even argue that it is unfair to the "fiscal responsibles" who may provide indirect support via wellfare! You argue responsibilities, yet (1) the choice of whether or not someone else decides to have a baby has NO effect on you, and (2) depending on the scenario, the more responsible decision might be to... not fire out a kid! .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #40 January 24, 2009 Quote Quote What a crackbrained post ..... yeah...its not like the purpose of sex is to reproduce.... Not for me. Mainly, it's for fun. Or am I wrong?? My kids are great, I do not want more. Do I have to give up all fun now? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #41 January 24, 2009 Quoteyeah...its not like the only purpose of sex is to reproduce...."Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #42 January 24, 2009 Quote Do I have to give up all fun now? I'd say that it is even more fun when you're not worried about an unwanted pregnancy...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #43 January 24, 2009 Quoteyeah...its not like the only purpose of sex is to reproduce.... What can I say...business before pleasure.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 January 24, 2009 Quote Marc, You bitch about social wellfare, and then bitch about family planning, and then bitch about abortions. Do you think any of the above 3 things are related!? Seriously? Quote No, you are saying that no one should be responsible for their own actions. But that is what abortion is about. So you can get laid I guess and not have to pay child support. After all, we would not want to punish you with a baby Just to be clear, it is stupid to force people to have children when they don't want to. It is unfair to the child to be born into such a situation, and unfair to the parents who may not be in a position to raise the child. You might even argue that it is unfair to the "fiscal responsibles" who may provide indirect support via wellfare! You argue responsibilities, yet (1) the choice of whether or not someone else decides to have a baby has NO effect on you, and (2) depending on the scenario, the more responsible decision might be to... not fire out a kid! .jim So if I have an opinion different for yours I bitch?Being the true lack of responciblily social liberal you are, you post here does not surprise me. God forbid you are responsible for pulling your dick out of your pants and the girl you pick up allows you do do something with it. You got what you want, the screw, the abortion the lack or consequenses for your actions. HappyOh, I am not bitching. You call it a bitch because the truth hurts"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #45 January 24, 2009 Quote .... Being the true lack of responciblily social liberal you are, you post here does not surprise me. God forbid you are responsible for pulling your dick out of your pants and the girl you pick up allows you do do something with it. You got what you want, the screw, the abortion the lack or consequenses for your actions. HappyOh, I am not bitching. You call it a bitch because the truth hurts Jesus Marc, what about your orthography? Even for me, an alien, it hurts to read your posts (which do not surprise me) You really should work on it. Regarding credibility or such dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #46 January 25, 2009 You're right Marc! Having a baby IS a responsibility, and without all forms of family planning, contraceptives, and the infrequent abortion, more people are forced to accept a responsibility that they might not be able to handle. Once again, you bitch about responsibility without really having a complete understanding of it. But really, I expect nothing less. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote .... Being the true lack of responciblily social liberal you are, you post here does not surprise me. God forbid you are responsible for pulling your dick out of your pants and the girl you pick up allows you do do something with it. You got what you want, the screw, the abortion the lack or consequenses for your actions. HappyOh, I am not bitching. You call it a bitch because the truth hurts Jesus Marc, what about your orthography? Even for me, an alien, it hurts to read your posts (which do not surprise me) You really should work on it. Regarding credibility or such Thank our liberals and the whole language spelling I was taught in High school. The great spell it like is sounds experiment. Believe it or not, it has gotten much better. Words like "their" I still have to fight not to spell it "thier". As for credibility, if spelling makes or breaks it with someone, spelling correctly will make no difference. They will find another excuse to dismiss what I say."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #48 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote How about this compromise - Funding for groups that give reproductive advice, but no direct funding for abortions. How's that? Funny bill, but that is what I posted on page one Yes you did! We may actually agree on something here! I've been thinking about this, and this compromise was what I came up with too. By having the rule that the healthcare providers cannot even MENTION abortion, they allow the law to be criticized as the "gag rule". It creates an aura of extremism. They should revise the ban, and get rid of the "gag rule" bit, and re-instate it so that it simply bans funding for the abortions themselves. That would have a much better chance of having the law stick. I do NOT believe that tax payer dollars should be used to fund abortions. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 January 25, 2009 Quote Quote Quote How about this compromise - Funding for groups that give reproductive advice, but no direct funding for abortions. How's that? Funny bill, but that is what I posted on page one Yes you did! We may actually agree on something here! I've been thinking about this, and this compromise was what I came up with too. By having the rule that the healthcare providers cannot even MENTION abortion, they allow the law to be criticized as the "gag rule". It creates an aura of extremism. They should revise the ban, and get rid of the "gag rule" bit, and re-instate it so that it simply bans funding for the abortions themselves. That would have a much better chance of having the law stick. I do NOT believe that tax payer dollars should be used to fund abortions. On this we do agree. While I am pro-life I can not find it in myself to say that I should in any way (unless I am the father and that is a different thread) be able to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her baby and bodyIt is a sticky topic for me and I as of yet have been unable to resolve it with even myself. If I can not do it for myself how the hell can I ride the high horse? I am for family planning and education (and dont call me on the school positions as I am not changing those and it to is another thread) I dont even care if family planning gives abortion as an option (as sad as that is for me) But like you, I think the line should be drawn at the money. Thanks for the post"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #50 January 25, 2009 Quote Having worked as a volunteer for a very prominent pro-choice organization, Thank you for that! My 70-something mom was an ob-gyn nurse in the years before Roe v Wade. She has horror stories of the trauma women endured emotionally and physically because of the lack of legally available medical abortions -- back alley butchers who fucked with women’s minds and bodies … or just outright killed them -- and women (of all ages & marital status) who ended up killing &/or maiming themselves with bleach and ammonia, or wire coat hangers, or other improvised methods. Wealthy women back then went overseas for legal medical abortions. She also was an ob-gyn nurse in Tunisia with the Peace Corps – 2nd group that went out, for which I am very proud of her … & has a whole ‘nother story set from there. These days, she’s wants to go volunteer with the Dutch NGO “Women on Waves.” Abortion Afghan-style in 2009 with razor of 14yo rape victim by her 20-yo brother to avoid bring shame on the family. >> … & reason #8732 that I’m glad I’m an American! Under the “Global Gag” rule’s most strident interpreters, US military doctors and contractor personnel at Bagram Air Field would *not* have been allowed to help her: they’re paid with US funds & an abortion was the cause of her injuries. They did help her, which I suspect *almost all* medical doctors, nurses, and Americans-in-general would regardless of their personal feelings toward abortion. Those are the unintended consequences & situations that the “Global Gag” rule creates. The “Global Gag” rule has also negatively affected AIDS prevention and treatment programs/groups, including prevention of mother-to-fetus transmission and mother-to-child transmission, and anti-child prostitution/child trafficking efforts/groups (because the groups might also discuss abortion even if being funded by non-federal or non-US entities). Perhaps most ironically, the “Global Gag” rule has also contributed to increase in non-medical, back-alley, improvised abortions. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
