434 2 #1 January 23, 2009 Looks like he will walk as he talk on the Pakistan issue! http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/01/23/pakistan.missile/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #2 January 23, 2009 It's not like it hasn't been done before in that region.. from the article you posted: "In 2008, there were 30 suspected U.S. missile strikes in Pakistan, based on a CNN count." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #3 January 23, 2009 It is first for Obama ;-) It did not take him long! I have to say the man is effective! If it will help in this region? I doubt! I hear some is wining about Hamas sending rockets, and do not fight like men? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 January 23, 2009 Quote It is first for Obama ;-) It did not take him long! I have to say the man is effective! If it will help in this region? I doubt! I hear some is wining about Hamas sending rockets, and do not fight like men? Please note.. These rockets were not launched from right next to a UN facilty to ensure any retaliation would have "Oh Woe is Me" potential to justify their sad existence as human beings. These rockets actually TARGETED those who are responsible for terrorism... May allah accept them into his loving arms and provide them with all the virgins they are entitled to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #5 January 23, 2009 Quote May allah accept them into his loving arms and provide them with all the virgins they are entitled to. It turns out they're all virgin twinks!Maybe if we start preaching that, terrorism will dwindle.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #6 January 23, 2009 Did you declare war on Pakistan? I do not see any difference in the action! You can say what ever you want, but in the other world you dont live, there will be a different story about these actions! Same same but two different ways to see things! By the way there is not always the bad guys they are hitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #7 January 23, 2009 Wow. I didn't realize he was even in the military. I thought they (our military) launched the rockets....most likely under existing engagement orders. Or have I missed the news that he's issued new marching orders to troops? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 January 23, 2009 QuoteWow. I didn't realize he was even in the military. I think he does hold some military title. Something like Commander in Chief or something like that. Quote I thought they (our military) launched the rockets....most likely under existing engagement orders. It is nearly inconceivable that he would be unaware of the plan and nearly as that he didn't give the actual go ahead.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #9 January 23, 2009 Given the engagement rules I saw in the military, we didn't need CIC approval to respond to attacks. It would be quite foolish of us if that were the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 January 23, 2009 QuoteDid you declare war on Pakistan? I do not see any difference in the action! The last I checked the map says Pakistan.. but the government in Islamabad has no control over it. Its a tribal area.. harboring our enemies.. the people who attacked this country. The Pakastani Army is unwilling and incapable of even exerting their law and control over the area. These people are attacking our people and our allies people across the border in Afghanistan.. they started the war... let them die in the war. This is the war that Osama and his buddies wanted.. the Iraq thing was GOAT FUCK STUPID.. This president will not make the same stupid decisions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #11 January 23, 2009 This is you attacking someone who dont know they are getting attacked, in a country you are not in war with! i guess that need som orders from your Chief Comander? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 January 23, 2009 QuoteThis is you attacking someone who dont know they are getting attacked, in a country you are not in war with! How many Norwegians were in the World Trade Center????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 January 23, 2009 QuoteGiven the engagement rules I saw in the military, we didn't need CIC approval to respond to attacks. It would be quite foolish of us if that were the case. This appears to have been a strategic strike and not a tactical one. One that had been planned in advance and not one in response to momentary situation. Where are you reading it was an immediate and direct response to an attack?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #14 January 23, 2009 You can ask how many wars have you been fighting on other mans soul after WWII? How many bombs did your country drop in Irak betwen Gulf war 1 and 2? How many Government have you been directly involved or indirectly changing for your own benefits? it is a time to step back and see where did you do wrong, and evolve what to do different next time, and then maybe some enemies will start loving you again! Dropping bombs all the time do not make you more friends! How many norwegian did get killed in UN service middle east is a better question, than how many got killed in WTC. By the way and you know where most of the terrorist came from, dont you? Old news but Osama was your friend! Hussain was your friend! Saudi is your friend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #15 January 23, 2009 In reading the article linked by the OP as well as MSNBC neither states exactly WHAT type of "operation" this was. Where are you reading it was strategic? I'll go check faux news.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #16 January 23, 2009 QuoteYou can ask how many wars have you been fighting on other mans soul after WWII? How many bombs did your country drop in Irak betwen Gulf war 1 and 2? How many Government have you been directly involved or indirectly changing for your own benefits? it is a time to step back and see where did you do wrong, and evolve what to do different next time, and then maybe some enemies will start loving you again! Dropping bombs all the time do not make you more friends! How many norwegian did get killed in UN service middle east is a better question, than how many got killed in WTC. By the way and you know where most of the terrorist came from, dont you? Old news but Osama was your friend! Hussain was your friend! Saudi is your friend? There you go talking about facts again. Don’t you know facts are only accepted by some only when it agrees with them. Or else your facts must be wrong, or not important this time. It is hard to have a legitimate debate with hypocrites.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 January 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteThis is you attacking someone who dont know they are getting attacked, in a country you are not in war with! How many Norwegians were in the World Trade Center????? I'm still trying to figure out how many Norwegians it takes to change a light bulb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 January 23, 2009 QuoteOld news but Osama was your friend! Hussain was your friend! Saudi is your friend? We are NOW workign on removing Osama We got rid of Saddaam( I would have preferred a different method) I have said from DAY ONE the Saudi's are NOT our friends. Perhaps now that the BUSH Family with so many ties to the Saud Family are out of the picture.. we can make some more effective moves against the Salafists and their desire to spread fundamentalism around the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 January 23, 2009 QuoteThere you go talking about facts again. Don’t you know facts are only accepted by some only when it agrees with them. Or else your facts must be wrong, or not important this time. It is hard to have a legitimate debate with hypocrites. I think all those who have a problem with the USA going after those who attacked this country could head to Iran.. and get in on the Great War Against Satan that Ahmedinejad and Company are trying to foster. Just a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 January 23, 2009 Quote In reading the article linked by the OP as well as MSNBC neither states exactly WHAT type of "operation" this was. Where are you reading it was strategic? I'll go check faux news.... It's a strike in a country we haven't declared war with. By definition that pretty much has to be strategic rather than tactical unless they, as a country, have declared war on us. Let's make certain we're both speaking the same language here. Strategic - an action planned in advance. Tactical - an action in response to an immediate situation. Put in simpler terms, if a guy is shooting a gun at you and you fire back, that's tactical. If you think a guy might someday shoot at you and you decide to kill him first, that's strategy. Tactics are "rules of engagement" items that usually do not require unusual amounts of approval. Strategic missions of any sort usually do. With the amount of emphasis the Omaba Administration has placed on diplomacy, to me, it is inconceivable that even in his first day he has not discussed the Pakistani situation with his commanders. If, as you suggest this was in direct response to an immediate threat, then it is possible that Omaba was not directly involved, but I don't see anywhere in the original story that suggests that, therefore I have to assume this is either a strategic move by him or an unauthorized use of force by an overzealous general somewhere down the line. It will be interesting to see how this plays out later in the day as events become more clear.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #21 January 23, 2009 Given this region is completely unlawful and not "governed" by Pakistan, the history that the militants come out of hiding to make an attack then run hiding in the hills like the cowards they are, I wouldn't be so quick to assume this was strategic. You're right about seeing how this plays out WILL be interesting IS spot on though. We have had unwritten permission from the government there to carry out such attacks anyway...I think they would prefer we do their dirty work since the population "loves" us so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #22 January 23, 2009 QuoteI think he does hold some military title. Something like Commander in Chief or something like that. The President is not himself a member of the armed forces even in his capacity as commander in chief. To preserve the principle of civilian control of the military, it is a custom, adhered to by all candidates beginning with Washington, that a member of the armed forces will resign before running for President or taking the oath of office.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 January 23, 2009 Be that as it may, the President is certainly in command of the military.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #24 January 23, 2009 QuoteBe that as it may, the President is certainly in command of the military.True, but that was not the issue that was raised.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 January 23, 2009 QuoteIt will be interesting to see how this plays out later in the day as events become more clear. I think its a VERY clear signal to Pakistan and their Taliban supporters. If you cant eliminate the threat to peace and stability to your neighbor.. Afghanistan.. then we will. IT will prevent the Talaban from feeling all warm and fuzzy in their third world shit holes. If you will not make peace.. we will find you and spray the little vermin down with Al Queda_RAID Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
