JohnRich 4 #1 January 27, 2009 Curious if this really does breakdown as a partisan issue across this group. News:Funding Restored to Groups That Perform Abortions President Obama yesterday lifted a ban on U.S. funding for international health groups that perform abortions, promote legalizing the procedure or provide counseling about terminating pregnancies...Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302814.html?hpid=sec-health Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #2 January 27, 2009 this executive order is switched every time the office of the prez switchs parties. i have noe problem with abortion, but i think money would be better spent paying people to get sterilized. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #3 January 27, 2009 Couldn't answer your poll because it only allows one or the other. What fries my ass about this is that Obama is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fund abortions, woman’s and children’s health care in other countries when we have elderly and poor freezing to death here and millions of children in our schools with no health insurance. When we have taken care of our own then think about helping other countries!!!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 January 27, 2009 Quotethis executive order is switched every time the office of the prez switchs parties. i have noe problem with abortion, but i think money would be better spent paying people to get sterilized. The problem with that is fairly quickly the locals work it out that they can get money after they are finished having children. There was a program like that in India a few years ago and a program assessment found out that the average woman getting sterilized had five or six kids and was around forty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #5 January 27, 2009 How about: "I'm a XXXXXXX and while I do not support abortion, I also believe what a woman does with her own body is no-one's business but hers" as an option? I don't think taxpayers should fund abortions, but the "gag rule" was just plain wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #6 January 27, 2009 Quote How about: "I'm a XXXXXXX and while I do not support abortion, I also believe what a woman does with her own body is no-one's business but hers" as an option? I don't think taxpayers should fund abortions, but the "gag rule" was just plain wrong. So, you're against Obama's reversal of the ban? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #7 January 27, 2009 QuoteCouldn't answer your poll because it only allows one or the other. What fries my ass about this is that Obama is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fund abortions, woman’s and children’s health care in other countries when we have elderly and poor freezing to death here and millions of children in our schools with no health insurance. When we have taken care of our own then think about helping other countries!!! He is not planning to spend any more money. He is just saying it can now be distributed to more groups than it was previously. A different question would be should we continue to provide aid to other countries given the financial situation we are in and the amount of money we are borrowing. I agree with you we should look after our own first, I was sad to see a story of a 93 year old WW2 vet freezing to death in his own home because an unpaid utility bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #8 January 27, 2009 I'm going with conserveral-independocrat that supports women's rights, but absolutely hates and despises the idea of abortion... However, I think we should shake the money tree as hard as we can to support women so they may have the opportunity to make an informed decision that is truly best for her, but will hopefully limit the number of both unwanted pregnancies and abortions through education and support. (physically, emotionally, finacially) Both here and abroad, eventhough such hopes may not be met. If we must....we should shake the tree even harder so that there is no need for "Back Alley Butchers" anywhere. There must be safe a safe haven for women to go if they are considering the service of such barbarians...or feel threatened, or have no where to go...they should not go through this alone. Long-Term Therapy should also be provided if needed after an abortion...even if the abortion was performed by a private physician. If we spend...we spend and do it right. This issue is very serious and needs everyones attention, support and willingness to compromise/understand. Women must be protected, and their babies must be given proper regard in a serious deliberation of life or death. To the religious I would say we must learn to compromise with logic and facts...we live in a composite society, with laws that are recognized and respected by God. Love and compassion for an individual should not be considered a compromise with evil....they are not. Even if it is, Love and compassion FIRST! Who is going to benefit from contentious fits of rage, especially with those who we are not to judge? When will Churches/Christ once again be looked upon as places of refuge...not condemnation? Likewise, the world must have a new respect for life...It is wrong to think of an abortion so lightheartily that we become so jaded as to say things like "I have a recipe for fetus fajitas!" Is this funny? Would we laugh if someone said "I have a recipe for American troop testicle soup, so it's all good....let em die?" Its Barbaric! and does not help the compromise/understanding. Such statements and Ideas should be reconsidered. I would also ask for people to reconsider any idea that minimizes abortion as just another simple decision,problem solved,no consequences...Those that could careless if a pill is swallowed, or a fetus exterminated like a rat....And don't say "Strawman!" because there are people out there that just don't give a fuck....something fundamentally went wrong somewhere...they need help, and that help should be available. There is no doubt that this burden is heaviest on the woman, and ultimately my remaks, comments, and opinions really don't matter, but it is obvious that this problem has included everyone, especially since it deals with the fundamentals of humanity, society, our principles, and also our finances. If this post seems selfish, I apologize, but I, like millions of others are tying to come to terms with this....If we are able to come to some type of compromise/understanding....what does our difference of opinion matter if the goal is the same? I just had to get that off my chest for some reason. San Dimas High Scool Football Rules!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #9 January 27, 2009 a. there's a big difference between supporting abortion and the right to abortion. b. supporting the government's giving money to groups that also provide abortion information is a long way from paying for abortions. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 January 27, 2009 QuoteWhat fries my ass about this is that Obama is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fund abortions... And elsewhere, we have Obama ordering Gitmo closed down because terrorists have "human rights". Putting these two things together, we get this odd combination: Obama supports human rights for terrorists, but not for unborn babies.Nice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #11 January 27, 2009 Quote Curious if this really does breakdown as a partisan issue across this group. News: Funding Restored to Groups That Perform Abortions President Obama yesterday lifted a ban on U.S. funding for international health groups that perform abortions, promote legalizing the procedure or provide counseling about terminating pregnancies... Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302814.html?hpid=sec-health John, Do you understand that the "Global Gag" rule did not prevent funding for performance of abortions using federal funds, yes? (That is prevented through other rules and laws, much like the Hyde Amendment has prevented US federal funds be used for Medicaid-funded abortions since 1973 & expanded in scope in 1983, unless a result of rape, incest, or endangerment of the life of the mother.) It prevented funding for groups that might have any association or use any other money (i.e., privately raised) funds for abortion-related services from receiving funding for any other reason. It prevented NGOs and other groups from mentioning abortion, hence the "gag." The "Global Gag" rule prevented a group from providing counseling or referrals about abortion services. The “Global Gag” rule has negatively affected AIDS prevention and treatment programs/groups, including prevention of mother-to-fetus transmission and mother-to-child transmission, and anti-child prostitution/child trafficking efforts/groups (because the groups might also discuss abortion even if being funded by non-federal or non-US entities). Perhaps most ironically, the “Global Gag” rule has also contributed to increase in non-medical, back-alley, improvised abortions. Do you realize that under the "Global Gag" rules most strident interpreters, US military doctors and contractor personnel at Bagram Air Field would *not* have been allowed to help the 14-yo rape victim who received an abortion Afghan-style in 2009 with razor by her 20-yo brother to avoid bring shame on the family? >> … & reason #8732 that I’m glad I’m an American! The folks (federal, that includes military, and contractors) are paid with US funds & an abortion was the cause of her injuries. They did help her, which I suspect *almost all* medical doctors, nurses, and Americans-in-general would regardless of their personal feelings toward abortion. Those are the unintended consequences & situations that the “Global Gag” rule creates. Do you realize that opposition to abortion or any birth control is a fundamental tenets of the Taliban and the radical Islamists? Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #12 January 27, 2009 QuoteQuote How about: "I'm a XXXXXXX and while I do not support abortion, I also believe what a woman does with her own body is no-one's business but hers" as an option? I don't think taxpayers should fund abortions, but the "gag rule" was just plain wrong. So, you're against Obama's reversal of the ban? Those are unrelated, the Hyde amendment already presents use of US federal funds for abortions, other than for cases of incest, rape, or where the mother's life is in danger. The Hyde Amendment is a law as opposed to an Executive Order, which the "Global Gag"rule is. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #13 January 27, 2009 QuoteWhat fries my ass about this is that Obama is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fund abortions... Mike -- please see my response to [FallingOsh] regarding the Hyde amendment. QuoteAnd elsewhere, we have Obama wanting Gitmo closed down because terrorists have "human rights". Putting these two things together, we get this: Obama supports human rights for terrorists, but not for unborn babies.Nice! Or: President Obama supports autonomy of personhood for women and a right to choose (which the Taliban and radical Islamists don’t) And President Obama supports the use of most effective interrogation methods; does *not* support the “most effective recruiting tool” for radical Islamists; does not support policies that put US soldiers, sailors, airman, Marines, deployed civilians, and other US nationals abroad at greater risk (than they already are); does not support policies that undermine the ability of the US to pursue actions in the US strategic interest (of whatever party holds the Executive office); and does not support adoption of methods used by the North Koreans, Soviets, and Chinese. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #14 January 27, 2009 QuoteQuote How about: "I'm a XXXXXXX and while I do not support abortion, I also believe what a woman does with her own body is no-one's business but hers" as an option? I don't think taxpayers should fund abortions, but the "gag rule" was just plain wrong. So, you're against Obama's reversal of the ban? You should check your facts BEFORE posting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #15 January 27, 2009 You too should check your facts BEFORE posting drivel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #16 January 27, 2009 Couldn’t Vote as the pole options are biased IMO. I am pro choice. Considering we have no proof of when life becomes a humane life , I think the pregnant woman has the RIGHT to decide what she wishes to do. And for all the religious people Judgment is for god not for anyone else so weather looking at it from a religious view or logical view we get to the same point. Mind your own business and stop trying to make people do what you believe. I think that would be the best way to look at it. Still that does not mean that I am pro abortion. What does that even mean?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #17 January 27, 2009 Quote Curious if this really does breakdown as a partisan issue across this group. Curious if the results are what the OP expected,The largest voting block at the moment (15 votes/38%) is Republican/conservative and support. That would seem to be in line with the traditional conservative value minimal interference in individual's lives. Currently 66% of the poll-answerers indicate support (of some kind), which is in line with most US polls. Even with the expected error bars for an SC poll, it's hard to compare directly because most US polls allow for more answers like "all the time" "most of the time" "few exceptions" "none of the time." Minorities of oppose. Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #18 January 27, 2009 Quote Curious if this really does breakdown as a partisan issue across this group. News: Funding Restored to Groups That Perform Abortions President Obama yesterday lifted a ban on U.S. funding for international health groups that perform abortions, promote legalizing the procedure or provide counseling about terminating pregnancies... Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302814.html?hpid=sec-health There is a Big differents between a Republican and a Conservative. Also it appears from your poll there are alot of Liberals crossing over and voting as republican/conservative that support abortion.I think its very clear, that liberals are primarly the ones killing off their future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #19 January 27, 2009 QuoteQuotethis executive order is switched every time the office of the prez switchs parties. i have noe problem with abortion, but i think money would be better spent paying people to get sterilized. The problem with that is fairly quickly the locals work it out that they can get money after they are finished having children. There was a program like that in India a few years ago and a program assessment found out that the average woman getting sterilized had five or six kids and was around forty. i would be ok with that. i think in the long run, we would still be money ahead because young people would use it to get some quick cash, and overall the numbers of people that are supported by the tax payers would decrease. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #20 January 27, 2009 Why do you think Republicans are conservative and Democrats are liberal? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 January 27, 2009 I can't vote because 1) I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Also I do not support abortion, nor do I want taxpayer dollars going to support abortion. But I don't think there should be laws outlawing abortion. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 January 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteCurious if this really does breakdown as a partisan issue across this group. The way I see it: The Republicans/conservatives are nearly evenly split on the issue, half in favor of the woman's right to choose, and half in preserving the life of the unborn baby. The Democrats/liberals on the other hand, are 80% (12 to 3) in favor of infanticide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #23 January 27, 2009 QuoteWhy do you think Republicans are conservative and Democrats are liberal? I didn't say they were. I put the slash between the labels as an "either/or" proposition, not as an "and". You can be conservative and not Republican, and you can be liberal and not a Democrat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #24 January 27, 2009 The gag rule actually causes more deaths through abortion than it prevents. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #25 January 27, 2009 I'm a liberal and I am against abortion. >Republicans/conservatives are nearly evenly split on the issue, half in favor of >the woman's right to choose, and half in preserving the life of the unborn baby. >The Democrats/liberals on the other hand, are 80% (12 to 3) in favor of >infanticide. You're showing your prejudices again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
