Tell your wife/gf NOT to call me.

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Would you not agree that certain medical conditions in olden times could be and were mistaken for death sometimes?

Well, the French used to refer to female orgasm as le petit mort (the little death). Is that what you mean?

Unfair question-this post is as close as Bolas has ever been to a female orgasm

It's the closest I've been to Bigfoot, a yeti and other imaginary things too.





Asshole

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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I've only had that call once.

She wanted her husband to be delivered in a wooden crate for slave training.

Is that included in the $200 per hour, or does that cost extra

[airtwardo 7]

Lighten up Frances!
Hate the game not the players!!

What ever happened to the ole live & let live, everything is good, skydivers are open minded and cool?


I've been around the block a few times and take it from me...this rock is a much better place for everyone if we don't make value judgements on how OTHER people live THEIR lives...and stick to living our own the best way we think.

Your mileage may vary.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[virgin-burner 1]

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Lighten up Frances!
Hate the game not the players!!

What ever happened to the ole live & let live, everything is good, skydivers are open minded and cool?


I've been around the block a few times and take it from me...this rock is a much better place for everyone if we don't make value judgements on how OTHER people live THEIR lives...and stick to living our own the best way we think.

Your mileage may vary.

worth repeating!

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[gonzalesna 0]

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Lighten up Frances!
Hate the game not the players!!

What ever happened to the ole live & let live, everything is good, skydivers are open minded and cool?


I've been around the block a few times and take it from me...this rock is a much better place for everyone if we don't make value judgements on how OTHER people live THEIR lives...and stick to living our own the best way we think.

Your mileage may vary.

worth repeating!

As you wish...

Lighten up Frances!
Hate the game not the players!!

What ever happened to the ole live & let live, everything is good, skydivers are open minded and cool?


I've been around the block a few times and take it from me...this rock is a much better place for everyone if we don't make value judgements on how OTHER people live THEIR lives...and stick to living our own the best way we think.

Your mileage may vary.

Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie.

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I have no issue with your beliefs. But when a skydiver claims that "you gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person" to like something strange, they are being somewhat hypocritical. Jumping out of an airplane is as dangerous, as useless and as hedonistic as it gets. So the next time you're looking to call someone sick or twisted, don't overlook that messed up person in the mirror who likes risking his life for an adrenalin high.

*friendly, somewhat inquisitve tone*

Since we are comparing apples to who the hell knows what, let's say one day popular opinion becomes ridiculously goat fuck liberal-extreme, and the decision makers totally lose their minds and decide to change the age of consent to when humans reach physical sexual maturity. Would all of us here be hypocrites for speaking our opinion against it?

I know this is an extreme example, but wtf? we need limits...

There is an important difference between understanding human depravity, recognizing it, and correcting it within one's self vs just indulging in it shamelessly aboveboard without regard to those it negatively affects and the consequences thereof.

Granted, there are much more sick, twisted and hedonistic things than being involved with BDSM....but c'mon....skydiving!?

Oddly enough, I get your point, but lets be careful before we become liberal psychotic nuts and set irresponsible precedents before we REALLY lose our sense of morality, and people in the distant future start defending the real crazy shit like lowering the age of consent.

Why does someone have to be a hypocrite just because they state their opinion. Public Opinion matters and influences our idea of what is obscene or immoral...We all have some type of moral compass, even if it is a cheap one, and we need to respect its direction.


Lets consider the following quotes from others in this thread:

I agree with you that some of the stuff people do is not choices I'd make, but I don't think forcing my decisions on others is the answer just as the same I don't want their decisions forced on me.

quick question: what do you think of homosexuals!? should they also not be allowed to live their lifestyle!? what do you think should be done with them? just because there's a majority of heteros and a minority of homos? now imagine being an sm-loving homo.. u get the idea maybe..

fucking get out of your VERY little world and widen your horizon! i have many gay and lesbian friends, BDSM-people, even a bisexual sub! (ouh, and that girl was fun to play with, i learned a thing or two there..

i might find things strange n'all, but fuck it, if only ONE person feels better because of that, so be it!!!

What you don't seem to be getting is that not everybody's jumping on the Dominatrix Bandwagon, rather we're saying that people who enjoy those activities have a right to enjoy them.

The Declaration of Independence asserts the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I pursue my happiness by jumping and I don't want some safety fanatic to stop me because there is risk involved. I have no desire to be abuse by a gorgeous woman, but hey, to each his (or her) own.

That's up to the couple whether or not to "get upset" about that. Their communication beforehand is what is the key there.

There are far more people that have fetish fantasies than there are those that actually indulge in them. The media and internet have just done more to bring these activities into the public light in the last 20-30 years. Before that they were underground and didn't recieve that much public interest.


Now, I think we all would agree that it would be devastating if society and public opinion broke it's cheap moral compass and started to use statements similar to these to support consensual sex with those that have obtained physical sexual maturity.

I am NOT suggesting that anyone here would ever support such a concept, but sadly, at the rate things are going, I would not be suprised if society began to marvel over their tolerance so much so, as to legitimately consider this idea. It shouldn't be to hard to fathom since I obviously have no option but to use such an extreme example to prove a point about human morality...

Again, I'm aware of the fact that this is an extreme example...and I hope nobody thinks I'm spinning shit this way just to be unfair and difficult or to say that liberals support grossly immoral/obscene sexual behavior, or that I'm on the moral high horse judging everyone. I'm Not calling for a rise to opposition against BDSM. I'm just trying to make the point that we all have our limits or at least we should. At best, I'm just trying to point out possible security vunerabilities with becomming way to tolerant for our own good....

You would agree this is a legitimate point, right? Surely we can see the roaller coaster on which the public preception of morality has been riding for the past 200 years. We need to keep it well maintained so that it can function properly and not de-rail.....Yes?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!! You offer sexual services (whether you think they are sexual services or not is irrelavent because to every sane person in this country it is sexual services) and then get all pissy because thier SO calls you up and gives you shit!!!!!!!!

The whole point of my post is that the SO shouldn't be calling me ranting, when:

1. Calling is not going to solve or accomplish anything.
2. The trust is already lost and anything I say is going to be irrelevant in their couples circumstance.
3. The problem resides with the SO who's abusing trust.

I think you are completely missing the SOs perspective.... in the context of your relationship with the guy, you are interacting directly with his body including genetalia to some degree. Whether you consider it sex or not is irrelavent... you are physically engaging in relations of some form with the men who come to you in a manner more typically reserved for their SOs. You have thus voluntarily put yourself into their relationship.

When the SO calls you, it is because their SO did not tell them about you. You, as part of the relationship triangle on some level, have answers that the SO feels she deserves to hear.

1. Calling you will give the SO closure on some level, so that IS solving or accomplishing something TO HER.
2. Yes, trust is lost, but some women need confirmation of that rather than just going by phone numbers found or other mitigating evidence, again for closure purposes. They have lost faith in their man, but although angry at you, they need to hear confirmation from you.
3. As you are a part of the relationship (sure, you call it your job, but you engage in physical relations of any type with someone else's spouse/so, it does make you a part of the relationship) you become a part of the trust abuse in the same way that any other mistress or piece of ass on the side does.

The world does not revolve around you. You clearly thrive on attention and you paint yourself as very unidimentional on here, and honestly you sound very insecure in yourself, needing attention from DZ.commers. On that level, maybe you can relate to the insecurity that the SOs must feel?

If you don't like that facet of your job, refuse to work with men that are attached/married/dating so that it becomes a non-issue and you are not the 'other woman' on any level. Have a little empathy with the pain, fear, frustration, and betrayal that these women legitimately feel. No, it's isn't your fault, but you are aiding/abetting the behavior that their men have engaged in, and are a part of the picture.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[virgin-burner 1]

so, if a man after work goes to a bar every night and gets shitfaced, do you think its right for the woman that has an issue with HIS alcoholism to call the bar and/or harrass the waitress, since she's serving him the booze!?

nope, i dont think so!

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[airtwardo 7]

You would agree this is a legitimate point, right? Surely we can see the roller coaster on which the public perception of morality has been riding for the past 200 years. We need to keep it well maintained so that it can function properly and not derail.....Yes?

I told ya this whole rock & roll thing would be the end of society!





What is this morality you speak of?

The social morality that says it's okay to have 1/3 of the population going without proper health care?

People living in cardboard boxes...people going hungry?


If someone wants to get Zebra stripe tattoos and screw a rubber doll while someone jams a paint brush up their ass....WHO CARES?!

Making the leap from one adult paying another adult to smash his nuts...to having sex with children is a monumental one.

The reason we as a society try to protect our children is because they don't have the maturity to deal with many of those types of issues...they can be manipulated and abused without their knowledge or understand of the ramifications ...that's not going to change.


To try to dictate one's sexual 'morals' to another is a ridiculous waste of time.



The next thing you know woman will want to vote...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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so, if a man after work goes to a bar every night and gets shitfaced, do you think its right for the woman that has an issue with HIS alcoholism to call the bar and/or harrass the waitress, since she's serving him the booze!?
nope, i dont think so!

See, the thing about analogies is that, by definition, they are imperfect.
Yours is particularly imperfect.

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Since we are comparing apples to who the hell knows what, let's say one day popular opinion becomes ridiculously goat fuck liberal-extreme, and the decision makers totally lose their minds and decide to change the age of consent to when humans reach physical sexual maturity. Would all of us here be hypocrites for speaking our opinion against it?

Uh in most of the countries where that is an established practice... its usually a very conservative.. and backward society. Some of the other things they do to ensure subjugation of young fertile females is also oh so conservative.

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so, if a man after work goes to a bar every night and gets shitfaced, do you think its right for the woman that has an issue with HIS alcoholism to call the bar and/or harrass the waitress, since she's serving him the booze!?

nope, i dont think so!

A man is not engaged in a relationship with the bartender.. there's no physical contact, no possible sexual connotation, no relationship. He's buying a thing (drink) not a very intimate service.

In the case of the OP, she is providing a very intimate service to these men. Some of these men are in relationships. If she chooses to involve herself in a 'taken' man's relationship, she needs to take the good (money) with the bad (dealing with the SO). If she can not effectively handle the 'bad', then she can solve the problem by either getting into another line of work, or screening her clients to ensure that she is not stepping on any other woman's toes (whether see single guys only or guys who's SOs know about her services).

As I said in my original post... infidelity, cheating, and dishonesty are not her fault, however as the party that is contributing to the lies, she may occasionally be faced with answering questions about them in order to enable another woman to be able to gain closure, move on, and eventually heal. Her animosity toward these women who (justifiably) feel very hurt and betrayed by their SOs and just want answers says far more about her than it does about the women that call her.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

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Uh in most of the countries where that is an established practice... its usually a very conservative.. and backward society. Some of the other things they do to ensure subjugation of young fertile females is also oh so conservative.

Well then I hope our society doesn't become so backwards that liberals turn into conservatives and call us hypocrites when we voice our opinion against their debauched practices...how's that?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Amazon 7]

Check the history of NEO-Conservatism

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No- thats just what was advised that we input for taxes. But now that you mention prosititution- I should ask escorts what they input. What they write...I'm kinda curious.

So the impression I get is that your services are probably not much further removed from prostitution than those provided by an "escort service", or pornography actors, or both. Gotcha.

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Check the history of NEO-Conservatism

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Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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>Since we are comparing apples to who the hell knows what, let's say one
>day popular opinion becomes ridiculously goat fuck liberal-extreme, and
>the decision makers totally lose their minds and decide to change the
>age of consent to when humans reach physical sexual maturity.

OK.

>Would all of us here be hypocrites for speaking our opinion against it?

Nope. You can say whatever you like. But if you protest when people do things that you yourself do, that is somewhat hypocritical.

If you say "I don't think the age should be lowered to 16 because of X Y and Z" that's fine. If you say "anyone who would want to have sex with a 16 year old is a sick freak" and you in fact once had sex with a 16 year old, you are being somewhat hypocritical (unless, of course, you self identify as a sick freak!)

>Granted, there are much more sick, twisted and hedonistic things than
>being involved with BDSM....but c'mon....skydiving!?

?? I knew 12 people pretty well who are now dead because of skydiving. Another 3 will never walk again. I don't know of anyone who has been seriously injured or killed while participating in BDSM activities. So from a point of view of sanity or risk/reward, BDSM wins.

Now, that's not to say that safety or sanity is the only criterion; it's just one of many. But skydiving is a 100% hedonistic activity for most people that 99.99% of the world thinks is insane, and which carries a high risk of injury and/or death.

>I'm just trying to make the point that we all have our limits or at least
>we should. . . . You would agree this is a legitimate point, right?

Absolutely! And I have nothing against people who say "BDSM (or skydiving, or religion, or alcohol) is not for me." That is absolutely their right. It's just when someone who drinks heavily condemns someone else for smoking pot because they "want to be a sick wasted fuck all the time" - they may want to look in the mirror a bit more.

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>so, if a man after work goes to a bar every night and gets shitfaced, do
>you think its right for the woman that has an issue with HIS alcoholism to
>call the bar and/or harrass the waitress, since she's serving him the
>booze!?

If a man goes to different bars every night and gets shitfaced, then it wouldn't make much sense to call a bartender at one of the bars.

If a man goes to a single bar because he knows the female bartender very well, and she is the only one who serves him, and they get pretty close, and he is spending as much time with her as he is his wife - then yes, it would make sense for his wife to talk to the bartender.

Likewise, if someone goes to a talk on role playing by Nina Hartley, and later goes to a talk by Midori on fetishes, it would make no sense for his wife to call Nina Hartley. If he's seeing the same woman over and over again, it would make a lot more sense.

(Note that this is NOT the best way to handle a relationship - it's just an understandable reaction.)

[Remster 30]

You must read a lot to know so much on the subject...

Remster

[virgin-burner 1]

i dont agree. in either case, there's a problem of whatsoever sort between the couple.

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[billvon 3,006]

>You must read a lot to know so much on the subject...

No, I just stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.

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I have nothing against people who say "BDSM (or skydiving, or religion, or alcohol) is not for me." That is absolutely their right. It's just when someone who drinks heavily condemns someone else for smoking pot because they "want to be a sick wasted fuck all the time" - they may want to look in the mirror a bit more.

I can agree, but I think we should be a little more careful about looking in the mirror before we end up saying, "you know what? I AM a sick freak....it must be ok, I'm not a hypocrite...lets have a free for all...anything goes."

Again, I think there is a difference in understanding our depravity vs. perpetuating it.

It's similar to the idea that we don't go around recommending people to go Base Jumping....I'm not saying that people are going around telling others to go have some chick hang you upside down by your balls...(where's that picture when I need it?) I'm just saying we need to at least recognize our depravity as depravity and take heed that it doesn't promote a mindset that could lead to the deterioration of basic human morality for future generations.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 3,006]

>It's similar to the idea that we don't go around recommending people
>to go BASE jumping . . .

I don't recommend skydiving or BASE jumping to anyone. If they're interested I'll tell them what it involves and what my experiences have been with it; then it's up to them whether or not they want to pursue it.

>I'm just saying we need to at least recognize our depravity as depravity
>and take heed that it doesn't promote a mindset that could lead to the
>deterioration of basic human morality for future generaqtions.

I actually think someone who is in a safe-sane-consensual BDSM relationship with someone is, in general, a lot more moral than someone in a 'standard' relationship where all the rules are just assumed (and, often, mistaken.) This has nothing to do with the sex acts involved - it has to do with the amount of communication and the respect shown the other person's limits. And in 'non-standard' relationships those have to be discussed because there are no societal standards to fall back on.

Morality, in my view, isn't determined by what sort of sex you have or what sort of games you play. It has nothing to do with which orifices you choose, what sort of objects you jump from or what color/sex your partner is. It's determined by the respect you show the other person, and your ability to communicate and then heed the limits/desires/rules expressed by that other person.

Sixty years ago, it was considered immoral for a black person to marry a white person. Forty years ago, there were episodes of Star Trek that could not be shown in some states because it showed a black woman kissing a white man. Today that's a non-issue, and interracial marriage is not even an anomaly. Maybe that's the result of a mindset that led to the deterioration of basic human morality, as seen in our generation - but I'm glad it happened. I think, overall, the evolution of our morality to include things once thought depraved (like interracial marrage) is a good thing.

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You must read a lot to know so much on the subject...

Screw the roses, give me the thorns....

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So the impression I get is that your services are probably not much further removed from prostitution than those provided by an "escort service", or pornography actors, or both. Gotcha

It's weird grey line because a lot of people in the "sex" industry are involved in Pro Dom work. Hence a lot of confusion of what exactly dominatricies do.

Best Girl Scout Ever.