airdvr 210 #1 January 28, 2009 when you try to 'make nice' with extremists. Ahmadinejad Demands Apology for U.S. 'Crimes' President Obama on Tuesday, in an interview with Arabic television, called for more dialogue with Iran to express difference and see "where there are potential avenues for progress." and the response from Tehran "We welcome change but on condition that change is fundamental and on the right track," Ahmadinejad said. "When they say 'we want to make changes', change can happen in two ways. First is a fundamental and effective change... The second ... is a change of tactics." Ahmadinejad also demanded the U.S. apologize for 'crimes' committed against Iran; specifically, criticizing and trying to block their nuclear program. "Those who say they want to make change, this is the change they should make: they should apologize to the Iranian nation and try to make up for their dark background and the crimes they have committed against the Iranian nation," Ahmadinejad said. Good luck with that Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #2 January 28, 2009 Have you never engaged in a negotiation? You toss things out on the table that you don't care about so you can "concede" them. And when you're speaking on behalf of a client, especially if your client is listening, you couch your position in language to make your client feel good, and to maintain your own good standing with your client. Also: in the language of diplomacy, any less than an unequivocal "fuck you and your horse" is not a fuck-you at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 January 28, 2009 QuoteHave you never engaged in a negotiation? You toss things out on the table that you don't care about so you can "concede" them. And when you're speaking on behalf of a client, especially if your client is listening, you couch your position in language to make your client feel good, and to maintain your own good standing with your client. Also: in the language of diplomacy, any less than an unequivocal "fuck you and your horse" is not a fuck-you at all. Give me a break. President Obama doesn't need to start at the beginning to understand that Iran's current government has no interest in any meaningful dialog with the US. They don't need to use words like "grave" or "dire" to say "f**k you"...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 January 28, 2009 Relax. You're reading more into what I'm saying than what I'm saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 January 28, 2009 Quote Relax. You're reading more into what I'm saying than what I'm saying. That's an excellent reply... ...or are you really telling me something else...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #6 January 28, 2009 Give me a break. President Obama doesn't need to start at the beginning to understand that Iran's current government has no interest in any meaningful dialog with the US. They don't need to use words like "grave" or "dire" to say "f**k you"... ___________________________________________________ It is not the government that is important, its the Iranian people that count and the educating them into what America is really all about and not having any dialog with a country makes no sense . this issue is all about religion and the invisible man that everyone kills for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #7 January 28, 2009 Quote Give me a break. President Obama doesn't need to start at the beginning to understand that Iran's current government has no interest in any meaningful dialog with the US. They don't need to use words like "grave" or "dire" to say "f**k you"... ___________________________________________________ It is not the government that is important, its the Iranian people that count and the educating them into what America is really all about and not having any dialog with a country makes no sense . this issue is all about religion and the invisible man that everyone kills for. The Iranian people already get it. They are (or were, at least) some of the most westernized people in the Arab world. It's the Iranian government that's the problem. If "someone" took that piece of crap Akmawhatever-jidad out, most of the citizens would dance in the streets.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #8 January 28, 2009 Quote It is not the government that is important, its the Iranian people that count I saw most of this last night on PBS. Beautiful country, awesome architecture, very generous and accepting people, spooky fringe. Judging a country by the loud mouthed rants of a leader can lead you to an incomplete assessment (as further evidenced by our most recent elections). But to address the quotes posted by the OP, I'd be willing to bet that there are a large number of Americans who would like to see some accountability for #43's war exploits. And I suppose someone should point out that it's legal for Iran to have a nuclear power program. I don't want anyone else getting nuclear weapons either but nuclear power is not a bad thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #9 January 28, 2009 Quote Give me a break. President Obama doesn't need to start at the beginning to understand that Iran's current government has no interest in any meaningful dialog with the US. They don't need to use words like "grave" or "dire" to say "f**k you"... ___________________________________________________ It is not the government that is important, its the Iranian people that count and the educating them into what America is really all about and not having any dialog with a country makes no sense . this issue is all about religion and the invisible man that everyone kills for. That is exactly what we have been saying last 8 years. And now we see the light again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #10 January 28, 2009 Quote"Those who say they want to make change, this is the change they should make: they should apologize to the Iranian nation and try to make up for their dark background and the crimes they have committed against the Iranian nation," Lets see we helped over throw the Mosadegh government with helped from the CIA agents that were located in the US embassy.The main reason hostages were ever taken at the begging of the Islamic revolution was so that does not happen again. Most will agree that the Mosadegh regime was the only real democratic revolution the people of Iran had in the recent history. So we literally helped destroyed a democracy for oil. That's why most of the world thinks we are full of shit. We supported Iraq and Saddam, with direct military action,WMD, and an embargo on Iran. We still sold weapons on the black market so we could make the cash we needed. That war cost 1,000,000 lives. We shot down a passenger jet claiming it was an F14 trying to act an American navel group in the Persian Gulf. I'll let the smart people figure out whats wrong with that one. Have been calling Iran the axsis of evil even though they have not invaded another country in a century. We still want to control there abilities and limit their progress. Yea i would say their are somethings to acknowledge, and maybe even admit mistakes. Which is still better then the truth that these were most not mistakes but strategic moves without any ethics. For some it seems they just want to know the Truth that feels good, but there are plenty shades of gray. Not trying to say we are evil but are hand are not exactly clean.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #11 January 28, 2009 Quote when you try to 'make nice' with extremists. Ahmadinejad Demands Apology for U.S. 'Crimes' President Obama on Tuesday, in an interview with Arabic television, called for more dialogue with Iran to express difference and see "where there are potential avenues for progress." and the response from Tehran "We welcome change but on condition that change is fundamental and on the right track," Ahmadinejad said. "When they say 'we want to make changes', change can happen in two ways. First is a fundamental and effective change... The second ... is a change of tactics." Ahmadinejad also demanded the U.S. apologize for 'crimes' committed against Iran; specifically, criticizing and trying to block their nuclear program. "Those who say they want to make change, this is the change they should make: they should apologize to the Iranian nation and try to make up for their dark background and the crimes they have committed against the Iranian nation," Ahmadinejad said. Good luck with that it is kinda funny how our new president is in office a week and has already got us being the ones that need to concede and accept Iran's terms. kinda fucked up imo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #12 January 28, 2009 Quote it is kinda funny how our new president is in office a week and has already got us being the ones that need to concede and accept Iran's terms. kinda fucked up imo. Um, Obama didn't say that. He said he wants a dialogue. I guess some people confuse dialogue with concession, but they're not actually the same thing. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #13 January 28, 2009 I am just wondering why not everybody else can see something that is so obvious? If you cut Bush speeches, and edit for the purposes of just making only part of it? I am sure we can make him look as bad as every crazy president around the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #14 January 28, 2009 QuoteQuote it is kinda funny how our new president is in office a week and has already got us being the ones that need to concede and accept Iran's terms. kinda fucked up imo. Um, Obama didn't say that. He said he wants a dialogue. I guess some people confuse dialogue with concession, but they're not actually the same thing. and that opened the door to Iran saying what it wants us to do or there will be no peace. we are on the defensive now not them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #15 January 28, 2009 Um yeah. International diplomacy is not the same as WWE Smackdown banter. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 January 28, 2009 A few quick factoids: (a) the former ruler of Iran until 1979 was the Shah, not the Shaw. (b) Iran, though predominantly Muslim, is not part of the Arab world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 January 28, 2009 Quote A few quick factoids: (a) the former ruler of Iran until 1979 was the Shah, not the Shaw. (b) Iran, though predominantly Muslim, is not part of the Arab world. SHHHHHHHHHH They were on another roll Quit fuckin up the entertainment man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 January 28, 2009 Quote Quote A few quick factoids: (a) the former ruler of Iran until 1979 was the Shah, not the Shaw. (b) Iran, though predominantly Muslim, is not part of the Arab world. SHHHHHHHHHH They were on another roll Quit fuckin up the entertainment man Oh, p'shaw.... ... that is.. p'shah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
