Should Obama Apologize to Iran?

[shropshire 0]

Thanks, I hadn't heard about him being a denier.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[without_fears 0]

I don't think we are right in killing people. I'd never agree to that I have a deep and unwaivering love for all of Gods creatures.

[wmw999 2,537]

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immature ass kids

Yep, they were. That's really gross.

But they're no more an indication of what all Americans or Christians are like, than the hijackers are of what all Muslims are like.

And nope, they weren't Iranian. And Iranians aren't Arabs.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[shropshire 0]

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I don't think we are right in killing people. I'd never agree to that I have a deep and unwaivering love for all of Gods creatures.

Especially Beef ... yum yum

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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I don't think we are right in killing people. I'd never agree to that I have a deep and unwaivering love for all of Gods creatures.

All of Gods creatures have a place.
It's right next to the mashed potatos and gravy.

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I don't think we are right in killing people. I'd never agree to that I have a deep and unwaivering love for all of Gods creatures.

All of Gods creatures have a place.
It's right next to the mashed potatos and gravy.

HOLY SHIT BATMAN



We agree on a couple things.. go figure

[rushmc 23]

The idiot from Iran should get help

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[champu 1]

I voted "no" on both counts. But they do have something to offer us besides, "stop having the capability to pursue nuclear weapons should you decide to," so I think it's foolish to continue lobbing affronts at them.

This article is an interesting read about cooperation with Iran.

[auburnguy 0]

Absolutely talk and negotiate with Iran. Then when they turn around and detonate a nuclear device, which they will, it makes attacking them that much easier.

"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way."
- Homer Simpson

[jgoose71 0]

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> Did they apologize after knocking out two of our most important landmarks
> and killing too many people, including children?

Well, on the other hand, we never apologized after killing all those Jews.

What did I miss? When did we (Americans) kill all of those Jews?

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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[DanG 1]

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What did I miss? When did we (Americans) kill all of those Jews?

Around the same time the Persians brought down the twin towers. Oh wait, that was the Arabs. Well, they look like Arabs, so that's enough for me. Frickin' brown people with funny names. They're all the same, you know.

- Dan G

[without_fears 0]

lol

[wayneflorida 0]

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As far as I'm concerned we have been at war since 1979. It's really time to kick their ass.

Every President ultimately has to answer this question: Are you willing to accept American KIA casualties to give effect to that feeling, and personally write letters of condolence to their mothers?

No. I am a pacifist.

[billvon 3,072]

> When did we (Americans) kill all of those Jews?

The same time that they (Iranians) attacked the World Trade Center.

[wayneflorida 0]

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So you are ready to jump in the suit and go? What kind of background do you have, and what can you do for your country? Or maybe I should say world, since you obviously want to save it from the axe of evil!

It's really time to kiss their ass.
There, I fixed it.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Ahmedinejad denies that the Holocaust took place. Which is pretty fucked up.

Hmm. You know, Pope Benedict just reinstated Bishop Richard Williamson, a noted Holocaust denier, who previously had been excommunicated by Pope John Paul II. See the connection? So it's the Catholics' fault. They're all brother deniers, so let them apologize to Iran.

Now then. I'm still trying to find a hardware store where I can buy me an axe of evil. That would be cool.

[wmw999 2,537]

I think that means that Ahmedinejad is actually a Catholic.

And according to the urban dictionary the Axe of Evil is OvalvaSix's genitalia. In this case, OvalvaSix posted that description himself

There's also a guitar store.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Skyrad 0]

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As far as I'm concerned we have been at war since 1979. It's really time to kick their ass.

And Vietnam was a tie right?

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[Skyrad 0]

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So why dont you go and poll some of the Jewish people that were in auschwitz and ask THEM if the holocaust was a big lie. Let them tell you the stories of their friends and family that were murdered in front of them and then ask them if it ALL A LIE. This forum is a fucking joke.

Three, Two, One...Back in the room!

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[wayneflorida 0]

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As far as I'm concerned we have been at war since 1979. It's really time to kick their ass.

And Vietnam was a tie right?

Sorry, but that one went over my head.

[Andy9o8 2]

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guitar store.

Hey, thanks for the link - I seriously love custom guitars.
But I don't want to digress too much, lest this thread get bounced to Bonfire. That would be unforgivable.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Depends on what the apology is for I think. Americans seem blissfully ignorant of the fact that the CIA in 1953 organized the overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Iran, and installation of a American puppet, the Shah of Iran.

The US did a lot of shit, esp during the Cold War. The Soviets took care of the other half.

I like Bill's half apology - I'm sorry you're upset - but beyond that, he can kiss our asses.

[ErricoMalatesta 0]

Yes Obama should apologize for the CIA overthrowing Iran.

[nerdgirl 0]

No, President Obama shouldn’t apologize … and President GW Bush should not have converted to Shi’a Islam when Ahmadinejad demanded that either.

Mr. Ahmadinejad wasn’t speaking principally to President Obama or even the American people. He’s speaking to the Iranian people and largely to his political base. He’s a politician running for office. It’s domestic politics. America (regardless of who is in the White House) is a political and campaign touchstone for Iranian domestic politics. It’s also the 30th Anniversary of the religious take-over of government in Iran.

In 2006, Ahmadinejad sent a 8-page letter to President Bush. Among the mix of cogent, semi-cogent, and non-cogent ramblings in his missive, Ahmadinejad demanded President Bush convert to Islam. That’s a similar context to his more recent demand for an apology. President Bush didn’t let those comments dictate his Iran strategy; I don’t see any indication that President Obama will either. Earlier thoughts on dealing with Ahmadinejad.

A loose but perhaps poignantly illustrative analogy is to think of foreign policy like Speakers Corner … and Mr. Ahmadinejad is a giant, wanna-be-nuclear-weapons-power, internet troll. Don’t feed the troll.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[GeorgiaDon 379]

Well obviously a groveling "can you ever forgive me" sort of apology would be unhelpful for many reasons. On the other hand "I'm sorry you're upset" is usually a tactic to shift blame to the other party, basically equivalent to saying I'll do whatever I please and however that makes you feel is your fault. As in, telling your spouse "well yes I fucked your sister, if that bothers you it's your problem", and then expecting the marriage to carry on as if nothing untoward ever happened. I'm sure somewhere in the US there is someone with the diplomatic skills to convey a message that we messed with Iran's democratically elected government, and as an unintended consequence they had to suffer under a despotic regime for many years, and we regret that it turned out that way and probably wouldn't do it again (whether or not we really mean that). The current Iranian leadership doesn't help the situation, but even there 1) the leadership is not synonymous with the Iranian people, to whom our message would really be directed, and 2) we also had a hand in installing to current Iranian leadership, by doing whatever we could to undercut the previous, much more moderate, leadership. At any rate, Iran is there in the Middle East, it has attained the status of an important regional power, and responding with "suck it up Cupcake" would just perpetuate the policy of the last 8 years, which has been neither successful or helpful.

Don

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