Congressional Democrats Put $$$ in Rush's Pocket

[TankBuster 0]

DCCC buffoonery:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/27/dems-launch-online-petition-rush-limbaugh/

So what do we have here? Elected officials who do not celebrate the right of a private citizen to free speech?

And the hits just keep on coming........

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[wmw999 2,453]

DCCC is not the congresscritters. It's Democrats who want to elect Democratic congresscritters. And I believe that in sponsoring a private poll, they're engaging in their own right to free speech. They are allowed to disagree with him, after all.

It does sound sanctimonious and silly, but so do lots of other things.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,006]

>So what do we have here? Elected officials who do not celebrate the right
>of a private citizen to free speech?

Uh, no. We have Rush Limbaugh, radio personality, exercising his right to free speech by saying he hopes the government fails. We have the DCCC exercising their right to free speech by saying they are outraged.

And now we have you exercising your free speech rights (on a Canadian website founded by a South African of all places) by claiming that someone wants to censor someone else. Which is, of course, untrue, but you get to say it.

Freedom can sure be a bitch, eh?

[TankBuster 0]

Well, regardless of the forum, I'm an American. I don't read Rush as hoping the government fails. If he said that, please point it out. I agree with him, and many other conservatives, in hoping Obama fails at most of his liberal agenda. We believe that if that fails, America, as it was originally founded - as a capitalist society based on individual rights, individual responsibility, and limited government, will succeed.

The Republicans have lost their credibility with most of us "right wingers." They are only slightly better than Democrats at this stage.

I agree with Wendy, it is silly and sanctimonious. Certainly they have better ways to spend their time. And it IS sheer bufoonery. His ratings will go up the more attention they heap on him.

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[jakee 1,500]

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So what do we have here? Elected officials who do not celebrate the right of a private citizen to free speech?

No, that's not what we have here.

They're going to send the results of the petition to Limbaugh. That's it.

Just out of interest, how exactly did you manage to read it so wrong?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,453]

What was capitalism when the country was founded was very different from what we consider it to be today. And with the interconnections offered by easy and cheap transportation and communication, it couldn't be the same as it was a couple of hundred years ago regardless.

That said, I hope that the US ends up in a better and stronger state than it is now. I hope that the rulebooks are shortened, but that the rules that exist are better delineated and enforced.

I think that unfettered capitalism leads to a ruled-by-the-boldest situation that is not good in the long run. Before people say "wait" just consider how bold Enron, Michael Milliken, and Lehman Bros. were. Money does buy power, but it doesn't buy kindness, fairness, or good sense. And Machiavelli was right when he said that power corrupts, and that people with power want to keep it, generally at all costs.

If money is power, that means that most folks will go to great lengths to keep their money. Which is fine on an individual level, but not so good at an institutional level. Because look where we are now.

It's just stuff. I really, really hope that we begin to realize that we can be interconnected for human growth across the board, and not just our own financial benefit.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,006]

> I agree with him, and many other conservatives, in hoping Obama
> fails at most of his liberal agenda.

Had he said that, instead of just "I hope he fails" then I think he would have gotten a lot less grief.

>America, as it was originally founded - as a capitalist society based on
>individual rights, individual responsibility, and limited government . . .

It was also based on promoting the general welfare of its citizens, rights for everyone (not just straight white Christians) and establishing a rule of law. It was made clear in our original Constitution that only Congress could take the drastic step of declaring war on anyone.

Those things that our founding fathers thought important have been eroded over the years. I hope we restore them, and that Obama sees them as important as the founders did. By re-establishing the protections the Bill of Rights affords to all people, and by ending an undeclared war, he has made a start in that direction.

>I agree with Wendy, it is silly and sanctimonious. Certainly they have
>better ways to spend their time.

I agree with you there. Both sides have better things to do with their time.

[TrophyHusband 0]

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> I agree with him, and many other conservatives, in hoping Obama
> fails at most of his liberal agenda.

Had he said that, instead of just "I hope he fails" then I think he would have gotten a lot less grief.

bill, he DID say that.

"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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[rushmc 23]

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>So what do we have here? Elected officials who do not celebrate the right
>of a private citizen to free speech?

Uh, no. We have Rush Limbaugh, radio personality, exercising his right to free speech by saying he hopes the government fails.Ah no, this is a deliberate lie, ignorant statement or a purposeful mischaracterization of what he said. In context, he stated he would hope for Obama to fail in his proposed implementation of his socialist policy. My position is backed by youtube video, Hanity video and Rush’s own tapes on his comments. You should really listen to him or research your statement before you put yourself out there like this. Shameful at best. We have the DCCC exercising their right to free speech by saying they are outraged.Good for them and they have the right. However, if their position is based on the same statement as yours then please read the above responce.

And now we have you exercising your free speech rights (on a Canadian website founded by a South African of all places) by claiming that someone wants to censor someone else. Which is, of course, untrue, but you get to say it.

Freedom can sure be a bitch, eh?

It sure the hell can

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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> I agree with him, and many other conservatives, in hoping Obama
> fails at most of his liberal agenda.

Had he said that, instead of just "I hope he fails" then I think he would have gotten a lot less grief.

>America, as it was originally founded - as a capitalist society based on
>individual rights, individual responsibility, and limited government . . .

It was also based on promoting the general welfare of its citizens, rights for everyone (not just straight white Christians) and establishing a rule of law. It was made clear in our original Constitution that only Congress could take the drastic step of declaring war on anyone.

Those things that our founding fathers thought important have been eroded over the years. I hope we restore them, and that Obama sees them as important as the founders did. By re-establishing the protections the Bill of Rights affords to all people, and by ending an undeclared war, he has made a start in that direction.

>I agree with Wendy, it is silly and sanctimonious. Certainly they have
>better ways to spend their time.

I agree with you there. Both sides have better things to do with their time.

And you dont?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,006]

>And you dont?

No more so than you do!

[billvon 3,006]

>bill, he DID say that.

Here is his exact quote:

"Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails."

He seemed pretty clear that his statement was exactly four words long.

[rushmc 23]

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>And you dont?

No more so than you do!

Cool, then you should research your statements here so that they are much more truthful

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TankBuster 0]

I think that as elected officials, (and they ARE members of Congress) they should leave it to other organizations to protest someone's speech. And Bill, they can't censor him, that is, until they try out the "Fairness Doctrine." Its pretty obvious that Rush rattles the cages of the left. They are afraid of him or they wouldn't be so adamant.

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[rushmc 23]

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I think that as elected officials, (and they ARE members of Congress) they should leave it to other organizations to protest someone's speech. And Bill, they can't censor him, that is, until they try out the "Fairness Doctrine." Its pretty obvious that Rush rattles the cages of the left. They are afraid of him or they wouldn't be so adamant.

So much afraid of him they have to lie about what he says. And everytime they do it he makes them look like the fools they are

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,006]

>I think that as elected officials, (and they ARE members of Congress)
>they should leave it to other organizations to protest someone's speech.

I have zero doubt that if Olbermann had said "I hope we fail in Iraq" you would be lobbying your senator to condemn him.

> Its pretty obvious that Rush rattles the cages of the left. They are afraid
> of him or they wouldn't be so adamant.

At least as afraid as the right is of Olbermann and Franken.

[rushmc 23]

At least as afraid as the right is of Olbermann and Franken.

The only thing anyone should be afraid of is the truth, if they should decide to ignore it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TankBuster 0]

Wendy, you, as usual make a well thought out and kind argument. I just believe that the evils of capitalism are far outweighed by the evils of socialism (or whatever we need to call it when government gets so large and powerful.) I know plenty of people who help others, including myself, and are interconnected, without having to be forced to do it. It is done so much more efficiently on a local and individual basis.

Money doesn't buy kindness, but there are plenty of wealthy people and wealthy corporations who want to give - but they want the freedom to do so. Look at Bill Gates.

And Machiavelli was right when he said that power corrupts, and that people with power want to keep it, generally at all costs.

Also true, probably more so, re the power of the federal government.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

[TankBuster 0]

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I have zero doubt that if Olbermann had said "I hope we fail in Iraq" you would be lobbying your senator to condemn him

No, you're wrong there. I don't care what he says, his ratings are miniscule compared to Limbaugh, and I'd never condone any elected official who doesn't celebrate free speech, no matter how inflamatory. I think if Murtha wants to call troops murderers, fine. If Kerry calls them terrorists, fine. Same with reporters.

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[JohnRich 4]

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We have Rush Limbaugh, radio personality, exercising his right to free speech by saying he hopes the government fails.

Actually, what he said/meant is that he hopes Obama's liberal policies will fail.

Nothing wrong with expressing such opinions.

There are plenty of liberals, many of which we saw right here in this forum, who hoped for the last 8 years that Bush policies would fail.

One of the big such examples that comes immediately to mind is guys like Harry Reid and Jack Murtha declaring that the war in Iraq was lost.

And Rush is just a private citizen, not part of the government like Reid and Murtha.

[billvon 3,006]

>Actually, what he said/meant is that he hopes Obama's liberal policies will fail.

What he said was:

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So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, 'Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: "I hope he fails."
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If he had not been so adamant that those four words were his entire response, this would not be getting such attention now.

>There are plenty of liberals, many of which we saw right here in this
>forum, who hoped for the last 8 years that Bush policies would fail.

Yep. And you attacked them with the same bile that democrats are now attacking Limbaugh. Welcome to the sort of world you prefer.

[rushmc 23]

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We have Rush Limbaugh, radio personality, exercising his right to free speech by saying he hopes the government fails.

Actually, what he said/meant is that he hopes Obama's liberal policies will fail.

Nothing wrong with expressing such opinions.

There are plenty of liberals, many of which we saw right here in this forum, who hoped for the last 8 years that Bush policies would fail.

One of the big such examples that comes immediately to mind is guys like Harry Reid and Jack Murtha declaring that the war in Iraq was lost.

And Rush is just a private citizen, not part of the government like Reid and Murtha.

Rush is a threat to them. They have to attempt to take him down.

But, since he is not media created, they will be unable to.

Unlike Cindy Sheehan

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,006]

>Rush is a threat to them. They have to attempt to take him down. But,
>since he is not media created, they will be unable to.

Exactly. Rush isn't part of the media; he's a talk radio host!

[rushmc 23]

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>Actually, what he said/meant is that he hopes Obama's liberal policies will fail.

What he said was:

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So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, 'Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: "I hope he fails."
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If he had not been so adamant that those four words were his entire response, this would not be getting such attention now.

>There are plenty of liberals, many of which we saw right here in this
>forum, who hoped for the last 8 years that Bush policies would fail.

Yep. And you attacked them with the same bile that democrats are now attacking Limbaugh. Welcome to the sort of world you prefer.

The response that you post here, is a day after the turmiol started. I was in response to comments such as yours.

If you listened to him, and not listened to those who say they do, or those out to get him, you would get it right. But instead, you post as you have here!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>Rush is a threat to them. They have to attempt to take him down. But,
>since he is not media created, they will be unable to.

Exactly. Rush isn't part of the media; he's a talk radio host!

Exactly, the media mostly dont feed on their own.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln