Butters 0 #1 January 30, 2009 Should this woman have been given fertility treatment? QuoteThe woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #2 January 30, 2009 >Should this woman have been given fertility treatment? Completely up to her and her husband. If she wants 14 kids, good for her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #3 January 30, 2009 QuoteShould this woman have been given fertility treatment? QuoteThe woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said. no she shouldn't have been given treatment, this will probably be anouther welfare case we taxpayers will need to pay for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #4 January 30, 2009 Yes."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #5 January 30, 2009 I said no. Because that’s my opinion. She should not have. However she should have the right do what she wishes.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #6 January 30, 2009 >no she shouldn't have been given treatment . . . So you would be OK applying to the government to see how many kids you were allowed to have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #7 January 30, 2009 QuoteCompletely up to her and her husband. If she wants 14 kids and can afford them, good for her. Now I agree.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #8 January 30, 2009 >Now I agree. OK. Who decides if she can afford them? The government? How much would you have to make for the government to allow you to have 3 kids? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #9 January 30, 2009 She does. If she's already on welfare and having even more sex trophies then no she shouldn't be having more. For example: You wouldn't go out and buy 3 new cars if you were barely able to make your house payment would you?Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #10 January 30, 2009 >If she's already on welfare and having even more sex trophies then no she >shouldn't be having more. Again, what government agency will decide how many kids it's OK for you to have? >You wouldn't go out and buy 3 new cars if you were barely able to make your >house payment would you? Usually not, no. But I am glad that I live in a place where I could do so if I chose to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #11 January 30, 2009 Quote>no she shouldn't have been given treatment . . . So you would be OK applying to the government to see how many kids you were allowed to have? No, goes to responsibility, it is not responsible to have more kids than you can pay for. The article didn't mention a husband or father for the kids, so who is paying? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #12 January 30, 2009 We'd've heard about it if she were on welfare. As it happens, she lives with her parents. I think it's completely irresponsible, but it's not really my decision. It's just an opportunity to be judgmental. I think buying a car you can't afford and using student loans to buy skydiving gear are completely irresponsible as well. What are your thoughts on other people with very large families who get by with corporate sponsorships, TV shows, help from church, etc? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #13 January 30, 2009 QuoteShould this woman have been given fertility treatment? QuoteThe woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said. Should YOU have a say in whether or not others can have children?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #14 January 30, 2009 >No, goes to responsibility, it is not responsible to have more kids than you can pay for. Assuming that she really can't pay for them, her family isn't helping her etc - I would agree. However, the government should not prohibit her from having kids, nor should she be denied medical care because of her status. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 January 30, 2009 QuoteI said no. Because that’s my opinion. She should not have. However she should have the right do what she wishes. Those two sentences are contradictory. If you support her right to choose for herself how many children she can have, then you shouldn't have an opinion either way about if it was the right thing to do, because it's entirely up to her, and whatever she chooses, is right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #16 January 30, 2009 Im not saying it is or should up to the government to decide. I believe that it should be up to the individual to make a responsible decision. Hell, if you can afford to have 50 kids then by all means go for it if thats what you want. I just dont agree with the fact that "I" should have to pay "MY" tax dollars to support someone who makes poor decisions.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #17 January 30, 2009 I support lots of people's rights to do stupid things. That doesn't mean I think they're either right or smart to do them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #18 January 30, 2009 >If you support her right to choose for herself how many children she can have, >then you shouldn't have an opinion either way about if it was the right thing to >do, because it's entirely up to her, and whatever she chooses, is right. I don't get it. You have quite vehemently supported the right of people to own weapons. Does that mean that you have no opinion on people who get drunk and shoot themselves accidentally? Is whatever they choose to do, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #19 January 30, 2009 >Im not saying it is or should up to the government to decide. I believe that it >should be up to the individual to make a responsible decision. OK. I will agree with you there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 January 30, 2009 Quote>Im not saying it is or should up to the government to decide. I believe that it >should be up to the individual to make a responsible decision. OK. I will agree with you there. Since you agree that it should be up to the individual to make responsible decisions do you also agree that the individual should be responsible for the consequences of their decisions?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #21 January 30, 2009 >do you also agree that the individual should be responsible for the >consequences of their decisions? Of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #22 January 30, 2009 Quote>do you also agree that the individual should be responsible for the >consequences of their decisions? Of course. So what should be the consequences of an individual having a child that they can't support? Take the child away, let the child die, ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #23 January 30, 2009 >So what should be the consequences of an individual having a child that they >can't support? Having to live with her parents would be one example. > Take the child away, let the child die, ... Personally, I am not willing to let kids die here from starvation. If she can't care for the child, and they are at risk, then they get taken away for the benefit of the kid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #24 January 30, 2009 Quote Since you agree that it should be up to the individual to make responsible decisions do you also agree that the individual should be responsible for the consequences of their decisions? In an ideal world, yes. However, if the consequences of their decision causes others even more damage (e.g. leaving babies to starve), then we probably ought to protect the babies. She's 33, above the age of majority. Do I think the doctor breached some sort of medical ethics? Well, apparently at the very least he breached accepted procedures -- there was at least one article that said that normally no more than 2 embryos are implanted into a mother under the age of 35. I just hope that we don't begin having some copycat stuff. It could be that this fertility doctor will now have a whole lot of new customers because of this "success." What an advertising coup Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 January 30, 2009 QuoteNo, goes to responsibility, it is not responsible to have more kids than you can pay for. The article didn't mention a husband or father for the kids, so who is paying? Wow.. are you ok man?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
