Fertility Treatment

[kelpdiver 2]

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> Individuals make irresponsible decisions regardless of education, how do we
>make them responsible for the consequences?

By letting nature take its course. If you get pregnant, you have kids and have to raise them.

How is fertility treatment for an obviously fertile woman letting nature take its course?

[billvon 2,998]

>How is fertility treatment for an obviously fertile woman letting nature take
>its course?

?? Like I said, it's not, any more than a vaccine or antibiotics are "nature taking its course."

[millertime24 8]

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>What should we do with individuals who have children but can't support them?

Well, there are a few possible cases there.

1) They have kids, but they cannot support them well. (i.e. they are living in a hovel but are not in danger of starving.) Leave them be.

2) They have kids, but cannot support them at all i.e. they are in danger of starving. Here you have a few options:

2a) Let them starve. Some people might be OK with this; I'm not.

2b) Take the kids away and place them in another home. The most drastic and expensive but most effective (in the long run) solution.

2c) Give the parents enough money to keep the kids fed. Much cheaper than 2b but much more prone to abuse of the system.

2d) Support the kids more directly (i.e. via school lunch programs or the WIC program.) A sort of compromise between 2b and 2c.

How about this for an idea?

2e) Quit forcing me to pay for these children without my consent. IE, take the government out of the picture. If you CHOOSE to donate to a charity who supports these children then fine. Just stop FORCING everyone else to. You may actually be surprised how giving people would be.

Muff #5048

[billvon 2,998]

>If you CHOOSE to donate to a charity who supports these children then fine.

That's great. I am unwilling to allow them to starve to death even if it's a bad day at Dave's Charity, though.

[millertime24 8]

Then show some commercials with the kids on it or boost publicity for your charity in some other way. That might get more people to donate. Hell, we do it for 3rd world countries all the time.

Muff #5048

[Amazon 7]

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How on earth do you think mandatory birth control should be policed?

It would be much easier to euthanize the whole familly. What the hell, throw in the short bus kids while you are at it.

yeah.. seems people keep trying that.. Only those who are approved should be able to reproduce I guess. Anyone want to check which party she votes for??

[billvon 2,998]

>Then show some commercials with the kids on it or boost publicity for
>your charity in some other way. That might get more people to donate.

Great idea; that might work. But if it doesn't, it's not OK to just let them die.

[millertime24 8]

Never said it was. It's only an idea. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer from malnutrition, however, where is the line drawn for personal responsibility? What I mean is at what point does the individual need to be held responsible for the decisions they make and who can hold them responsible and what are the ramifications for neglect?

Its a hard situation to discuss because I value human life, but at the same time I have no sympathy for INDIVIDUALS who CHOOSE to make an irresponsible decision (knowingly I might add). That chick filed for bankruptsy 2 years before making this decision and she wants to have more kids?!?

Muff #5048

[AggieDave 6]

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The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment

Remember folks, its a vagina, not a clown car!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[millertime24 8]

Now that, Sir, is funny.

Muff #5048

[lawrocket 3]

I was just reading this. This woman declared bankruptcy last March. She got pregnant in May? She couldn't pay her bills but could pay for fertility treatment? After six kids?

It's her right to do this. And it's my right to say, "This is some bullshit."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Andy9o8 2]

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How on earth do you think mandatory birth control should be policed?

Should be? It shouldn't. Could be? By having a repressive society. They pretty much do it in China. They've had a 1-child policy for some time now, and it's enforced by imposing fines on families that violate it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

[CornishChris 5]

China does have a population problem however and the one child policy is to counter this. Whether or not you agree in principal aside it is deemed necessary by their government and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more similar policies in the years to come.

In terms of the 14 kids. I have no issues with many kids. My issue is with giving fertility drugs town obviouslyfertile woman and embedding 8 embryos in her. The doctor should be struck off.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[JackC 0]

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Remember folks, its a vagina, not a clown car!

Post of the week!

[Andy9o8 2]

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China does have a population problem however and the one child policy is to counter this. Whether or not you agree in principal aside it is deemed necessary by their government and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more similar policies in the years to come.

In terms of the 14 kids. I have no issues with many kids. My issue is with giving fertility drugs town obviouslyfertile woman and embedding 8 embryos in her. The doctor should be struck off.

Oh, I understand China's reason for the policy. I was using China as an example, and as a warning: Hey, everyone, you want to have your country become like China? If not, get your population growth under control. An "optional" policy, where people are encouraged and even rewarded for low family birthrate, is one thing. A "mandatory" policy like China's, where people are coerced into it, is another. I imagine the Chinese govt considered both carrot and stick, and decided not to waste time trying the carrot first. People in the rest of the world should take heed.

[marks2065 0]

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No, goes to responsibility, it is not responsible to have more kids than you can pay for. The article didn't mention a husband or father for the kids, so who is paying?

Wow.. are you ok man??

why do you ask? Is it wrong to believe you should take care of your responsibilities and not enter into a situation that you can't handle?

[Amazon 7]

nevermind.. posting back to normal....

[masterrig 1]

She's either crazy of figuring she can cash-in on welfare. The whole story is so vague.


Chuck

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China does have a population problem however and the one child policy is to counter this. Whether or not you agree in principal aside it is deemed necessary by their government and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more similar policies in the years to come.

In terms of the 14 kids. I have no issues with many kids. My issue is with giving fertility drugs town obviouslyfertile woman and embedding 8 embryos in her. The doctor should be struck off.

Oh, I understand China's reason for the policy. I was using China as an example, and as a warning: Hey, everyone, you want to have your country become like China? If not, get your population growth under control. An "optional" policy, where people are encouraged and even rewarded for low family birthrate, is one thing. A "mandatory" policy like China's, where people are coerced into it, is another. I imagine the Chinese govt considered both carrot and stick, and decided not to waste time trying the carrot first. People in the rest of the world should take heed.

How about a reduction in benifits for additional kids? welfare, unemployment, and tax deductions are cut if you go over say 2 kids? Instead of getting $2200 deduction per kid you get $1800 per kid for 3 kids, $1600 per kid for 4 kids ect. make people think about the loss per kid if they have more than 2.

[marks2065 0]

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We'd've heard about it if she were on welfare. As it happens, she lives with her parents. I think it's completely irresponsible, but it's not really my decision. It's just an opportunity to be judgmental.

I think buying a car you can't afford and using student loans to buy skydiving gear are completely irresponsible as well.

What are your thoughts on other people with very large families who get by with corporate sponsorships, TV shows, help from church, etc?

Wendy W.

no father mentioned for the kids, lives with parents, filed for bankrupcy recently? sounds iresponsible to me, on her part and the doctors.

[Conundrum 1]

***and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment,

[DJL 235]

Seems as though the Grandma also votes that this girl should not have gotten pregnant again:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[wmw999 2,452]

I think it's easy to say that we all agree she's irresponsible and shouldn't have gotten pregnant.

The real question is what do we do?

Forcibly sterilize her?
Take her children away?
Let them starve?
Just disapproving on an internet forum won't do a lot of good.

And how do we prevent the next moron?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And how do we prevent the next moron?

We don't. In any society there will be people who do great things and people who do stupid things.

Owned by Remi #?

[millertime24 8]

And here she is looking for that handout. Pretty fucking stupid reason to have a shit-ton of sex trophies if you ask me. Almost a scam really.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486645,00.html

Muff #5048