434 2 #1 February 3, 2009 TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran said it had for the first time launched a domestically made satellite into orbit on Tuesday, a move likely to worry its enemies at a time when its conflict with the West over its nuclear plans remains unresolved. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5120NN20090203 Interesting to see what would be the next move from the "World" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #2 February 3, 2009 Wellp.... All technology eventually proliferates. That includes all weapons technology, as well as weapons-delivery technology. Logically, it will include nuclear weapons technology, too, "non-proliferation treaties" notwithstanding. People sometimes think of the Cold War era - when nukes were (more or less) monopolized by NATO & the USSR - as a dangerous time in this planet's nuclear weapons history. Uh-uh - that was when it was safe. Now it starts getting interesting. Oh, BTW - lest we think that Iran only has the means to hit within its own region, remember: any platform that can orbit the Earth can also re-enter anywhere along its path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #3 February 3, 2009 Agreed. However the focus point in which most people think of any technological advance Iran achieves is with suspicion, and the assumption of ill intentions. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Considering Iran has been under embargo for such a long time I think it is a great achievement, and often wonder what the Iranian minds would be capable of if it was granted the same opportunities. Good for them.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 February 3, 2009 QuoteAgreed. However the focus point in which most people think of any technological advance Iran achieves is with suspicion, and the assumption of ill intentions. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Considering Iran has been under embargo for such a long time I think it is a great achievement, and often wonder what the Iranian minds would be capable of if it was granted the same opportunities. Good for them. I do view it with suspicion, and I don't view it as good at all. They essentially have threshold ICBM technology that can hit the U.S.; they're almost certainly working on nuclear weapons capability, and every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. THIS is the very sort of dangerous proliferation of technology that I'm most worried about. Anyone who does not think that the US (forget about Israel) probably already has a contingency plan to take out this capability by force is kidding themselves. You can bet that the Situation Room is cranked up about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #5 February 3, 2009 Quoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #6 February 3, 2009 It is your government who have placed your fear right in to your hearth! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. This is a nice example of a horribly constructed double negative, with many possible meanings. It's also terribly passive- why not just say it directly? The good thing is that launching a satellite is easier than an ICBM, where you actually need to know where it will reenter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Sorry.. but when people want to kill me for no reason other than the fact I was born in America ( The Great Satan).. and am not a muslim.. and never will be... I take them seriously.... There can be no peace with a group of people who espouse those ideals. I take them at their own words coming out of their chai holes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 February 3, 2009 QuoteNo one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Quote It is your government who have placed your fear right in to your hearth! You're both fulla gas. The technology is there (and growing), the belligerence exists, the threat is real, and the danger is REAL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Quote It is your government who have placed your fear right in to your hearth! You're both fulla gas. The technology is there (and growing), the belligerence exists, the threat is real, and the danger is REAL. Oh no.. the peaceful government of Iran has not attacked anyone in years and years.... didn't you get that pie in the sky memo that someone is peddling. Iran has been paying its proxy butchers to push its revolution ever since 1979. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #11 February 3, 2009 Quote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items).If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items). Luckily the USA is not a bunch of religious fanatics.. although the last administration was getting pretty close. Do you REALLY think that if we had the mindset( most of us do not) of others in this world.. that we would have gone on a bloody world wide crusade???? The proof is that there has been NO world wide conflagration of the USA USING the weapons that we have to subjugate the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #13 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items). Luckily the USA is not a bunch of religious fanatics.. although the last administration was getting pretty close. Reading some of the posts on here one could be forgiven for concluding that the USA is full of religious fanatics. Anyhow, the USA HAS been prepared to push its agenda by a multitude of unpleasant means.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 February 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Here's a recent example from the news: Hamas leader Khaled Meshal thanked Iran on Monday for many kinds of assistance... Meshal watched hundreds of Iranian Hamas supporters gathered at Tehran University as they shook their fists and shouted slogans against Israel and the United States. They also called for the execution of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak... Iran has acknowledged providing military assistance to the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah in the past... Some Iranian observers do not rule out military assistance to Hamas. "I have no evidence, but it would be self-defeating for Iran not to provide Hamas with weapons"... Abdolmoti declined to say how much financial aid Iran provides Hamas. Meshal stressed the unity between Iran and Hamas. "We are in the same trench, facing Israeli and U.S. tyranny"... Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020202953.html Darius: you should read more news, outside of "Rolling Stone". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 February 3, 2009 QuoteAnyhow, the USA HAS been prepared to push its agenda by a multitude of unpleasant means. Yeah.. getting atacked and your people killed... does have that kind of resolution to be prepared and to push agenda's that will lessen that possibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 February 4, 2009 QuoteWe've used nukes, Let's just ignore that the Japanese were the aggressors in that war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #17 February 4, 2009 Congrats to Iran. Good job! "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 February 4, 2009 QuoteCongrats to Iran. Good job! Oops! This has already been trolled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #19 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteCongrats to Iran. Good job! Oops! This has already been trolled. No trolling. That's how I feel. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carmenc 0 #20 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteAnyhow, the USA HAS been prepared to push its agenda by a multitude of unpleasant means. Yeah.. getting atacked and your people killed... does have that kind of resolution to be prepared and to push agenda's that will lessen that possibility. The Contras were attacking us? Allende was attacking us? Saddam Hussein was attacking us? Mossadegh was attacking us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 February 4, 2009 >>The Contras were attacking us? Uh, the contras were on our side. >>Allende was attacking us? Friend of our enemy. >>Saddam Hussein was attacking us? Threatened our oil in Kuwait. >>Mossadegh was attacking us? Friend of our enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 February 4, 2009 You dont get out in the real world much do you.. Ever hear of something called the COLD WAR?... It was kept cold by a hell of a lot of people who kept it from going hot... point.... counterpoint. That was learned from our inability to be left the fuck alone.. in our sad little isolationist world that a bunch of idiots in our government foisted on the USA after they decided to ponder their navels rather than engaging with the rest of the world when they took us away from the League of Nations . That led directly to the fascist regimes coming to power that were not so idealistic but very predatory on their own people as well as everyone around them. The world is not a nice place.. and idealism is a fucking stupid idea to form a foreign policy on..especially today with men like Osama... Mullah Omar... and about 10,000 other fucking mullahs and ayetollahs out there. Based on what they say.. I really do believe in engaging them.. preferably with the largest gun with the best sights we can get our hands on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #23 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items). What's your point. That you hate what the U.S. has done, so it's okay to allow everyone else to do it too? That makes no sense. If you don't like the U.S. meddling in other's affairs with aggression, then you should also oppose the same tactics when done by Iran. Which is it? Do you approve of Iran's aggression, or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #24 February 4, 2009 hehe you are a nut! The biggest aggressor at this planet at the moment is your country! Who should we fear going over the line? I have said before, words is just only words, but it takes a hell of a lot more to put it to action! If you sum up everything your leaders have said in the past, and edit to fit any enemies point of view? How would it look like? Not to to good, and again to use it for the propaganda against your country would be quit easy! Continue to look at everything from one side, and you end up like any extremist! When this man enter the government we would surtenly have a interesting time ahead of us! http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3499234,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 February 4, 2009 Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
