Amazon 7 #26 February 4, 2009 QuoteWhen this man enter the government we would surtenly have a interesting time ahead of us! When faced with nuts.. sometimes other nuts rise to power when the people get tired of inaction... your buds in Hamas may look back on the last couple years with fondness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #27 February 4, 2009 My buds is not Hamas, and you are right! when people have to deal with nuts, they create nuts, or turn in to one them selves! Good Point :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #28 February 4, 2009 QuoteYou dont get out in the real world much do you.. Ever hear of something called the COLD WAR?... It was kept cold by a hell of a lot of people who kept it from going hot... point.... counterpoint. That was learned from our inability to be left the fuck alone.. in our sad little isolationist world that a bunch of idiots in our government foisted on the USA after they decided to ponder their navels rather than engaging with the rest of the world when they took us away from the League of Nations . That led directly to the fascist regimes coming to power that were not so idealistic but very predatory on their own people as well as everyone around them. The world is not a nice place.. and idealism is a fucking stupid idea to form a foreign policy on..especially today with men like Osama... Mullah Omar... and about 10,000 other fucking mullahs and ayetollahs out there. Based on what they say.. I really do believe in engaging them.. preferably with the largest gun with the best sights we can get our hands on. Everything that comes out of your mouth is complete garbage. You know literally nothing about history or current events and you reduce everything back to your scared little world view that Muslims are out to get you. You are the stupidest person on this forum bar none and the irony is that you use the term GOAT FUCK STUPID all the time when you know nothing of the subject you are speaking on and the term in reality only applies to someone of your caliber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 February 4, 2009 Everything that comes out of your mouth is complete garbage. You know literally nothing about history or current events and you reduce everything back to your scared little world view that Muslims are out to get you. You are the stupidest person on this forum bar none and the irony is that you use the term GOAT FUCK STUPID all the time when you know nothing of the subject you are speaking on and the term in reality only applies to someone of your caliber.Quote Blah Blah Blah said the wee liitle man who loves his little PA's.... We do love how you hide behind that big bad keyboard and pretend to be the perfect little namesake anarchist.... I think you need a trip to Gaza so you can show solidarity with the downtrodden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #30 February 4, 2009 Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #31 February 4, 2009 Enjoy your vacation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #32 February 4, 2009 Quote Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Where are you reading that?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #33 February 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Where are you reading that? www.space.com/missionlaunches/sfn-090203-iran-satellite-launch.html www.universetoday.com/2009/02/03/iran-launches-satellite-into-orbit lunarnetworks.blogspot.com/2009/02/iran-launches-first-homegrown-satellite.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #34 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Here's another example for you: Hamas police 'seize aid for Gaza' Hamas policemen have seized thousands of blankets and food parcels that were meant to be distributed to Palestinian civilians in Gaza, UN officials say...Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7869704.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #35 February 4, 2009 QuoteWhere are you reading that? SpaceFlightNow is usually a good news source for this kinda stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 February 4, 2009 QuoteContinue to look at everything from one side, and you end up like any extremist! Perhaps your should take your own advice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 434 2 #37 February 4, 2009 What ever we do or say it will continue the same way for the next generations! There will always be an enemy, and if there is not any we will create one! We are on the good team, and will stay connected what ever happens. But I find sometimes good reasons for being the bad boy! We fuck with the world, the world fuck with us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerryzflies 0 #38 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items). What's your point. That you hate what the U.S. has done, so it's okay to allow everyone else to do it too? That makes no sense. If you don't like the U.S. meddling in other's affairs with aggression, then you should also oppose the same tactics when done by Iran. Which is it? Do you approve of Iran's aggression, or not? I disapprove of Iran's aggression, just as much as I disapprove of OUR aggression to pursue our goals. Criticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. Something comes to mind about casting the log out of our own eye before worrying about the speck in someone else's eye.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #39 February 4, 2009 QuoteCriticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, and do nothing? Since you acknowledge that Iran's aggression is wrong, I guess we can summarize your feelings about US criticism of Iran as: "We're hypocritical in doing so, but also correct in doing it." Is that a fair statement of your feelings? And since you like pithy sayings, here's another one: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Capt.Slog 0 #40 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteCriticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, and do nothing? Since you acknowledge that Iran's aggression is wrong, I guess we can summarize your feelings about US criticism of Iran as: "We're hypocritical in doing so, but also correct in doing it." Is that a fair statement of your feelings? And since you like pithy sayings, here's another one: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Good men don't invade other nations that present no threat, good men don't engineer coups d'etat in other nations, and good men don't arm terrorists. The USA has, as jerryz pointed out, done all of these things. If you criticize Iran for doing these things, how can you excuse our own behavior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41 February 4, 2009 QuoteGood men don't invade other nations that present no threat, good men don't engineer coups d'etat in other nations, and good men don't arm terrorists. The USA has, as jerryz pointed out, done all of these things. If you criticize Iran for doing these things, how can you excuse our own behavior? I guess it goes to motive and the ultimate goal of why those things are done. You have to ask yourself this... Would you rather live in a free country that is controlled by the people in free elections where they can determine their future???? Or would you prefer to live in a country contolled by a clergy... that goes out of its way to destroy another country for its different religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,994 #42 February 5, 2009 >So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize >anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, >and do nothing? First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #43 February 5, 2009 I have just gotten to the point where I just laugh. I mean people are so fucking blind to hypocrisy it just baffles the mind. Excuses, "there are or were our friends". If your friend is a murderer that makes it ok? not to mention one of your friends was Osama the other Sadam. Yet no one seem to get that maybe they are fucking clueless, and just maybe the end never justify the means. If you are constantly changing your standard for right and wrong to fit your view you are a hypocrite, and if you can not see it your an idiot. If you have to change your standard then you are not being ethical again your just to dumb or stubborn to admit you are wrong. Just once try to set a standard for "evil" that can not be applied to the people you call the good guys? No wonder the country is in the shitter right now, we have too many fucking stupid people who have no idea, information, experience, or know how on many subjects yet they choose aside and defend it like it is the Gospel.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #44 February 5, 2009 Quote I have just gotten to the point where I just laugh. I mean people are so fucking blind to hypocrisy it just baffles the mind. Excuses, "there are or were our friends". If your friend is a murderer that makes it ok? not to mention one of your friends was Osama the other Sadam. Yet no one seem to get that maybe they are fucking clueless, and just maybe the end never justify the means. If you are constantly changing your standard for right and wrong to fit your view you are a hypocrite, and if you can not see it your an idiot. If you have to change your standard then you are not being ethical again your just to dumb or stubborn to admit you are wrong. Just once try to set a standard for "evil" that can not be applied to the people you call the good guys? No wonder the country is in the shitter right now, we have too many fucking stupid people who have no idea, information, experience, or know how on many subjects yet they choose aside and defend it like it is the Gospel. Darius.. you are in some SERIOUS need of some panir... to go with all that whine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 434 2 #45 February 5, 2009 Im not sure you understand me, or I understand you! "Friends", "Partners" "Good People" It is words thats comes with understanding and feeling equal! I have tried to understand one evil for another, and thats where my arguments have been. I understand why people are doing what they are doing when they have no hopes and no future, but there is a long way to be willing to fight on their side! When we have to choose side, it will be those people who comes close, and that is Europe and another evil America! America is pushing the world hard to keep their world control and power for their markeds, and they have to pay for it also! I believe they had their fingers to much all over the place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nelyubin 0 #46 February 5, 2009 In what has shown the aggression Iran? Probably has entered the armies into the countries adjoining with the USA (Mexico, Canada)? On how many it is known to all (though probably and not all) armies of the USA are in Afghanistan and Iraq (border on Iran). What can take Iran in the USA? Green candy wrappers which than are not provided. What can take the USA in Iran? At least oil, gas. And who to whom threatens in the given situation? Each capable citizen has the right to the weapon. Each state has the right to the weapon, the right to protection of the interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
champu 1 #30 February 4, 2009 Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 February 4, 2009 Enjoy your vacation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 February 4, 2009 Quote Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Where are you reading that?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 February 4, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Just a bit of a fine point here but . . . has anyone seen any confirmation that Iran actually did this successfully? Any confirmation from any other state or agency? CIA for example. A small payload and another object (probably a part of the second stage or fairing) are in 153x235mi and 153x273mi orbits with 55.5deg inclination. They had to get there somehow. Where are you reading that? www.space.com/missionlaunches/sfn-090203-iran-satellite-launch.html www.universetoday.com/2009/02/03/iran-launches-satellite-into-orbit lunarnetworks.blogspot.com/2009/02/iran-launches-first-homegrown-satellite.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteand every fiber of their governmental being for the past 30 years has screamed international belligerence. No one seems to understand that all of that is not based on any logical, historical, or rational thought. Here's another example for you: Hamas police 'seize aid for Gaza' Hamas policemen have seized thousands of blankets and food parcels that were meant to be distributed to Palestinian civilians in Gaza, UN officials say...Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7869704.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #35 February 4, 2009 QuoteWhere are you reading that? SpaceFlightNow is usually a good news source for this kinda stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 February 4, 2009 QuoteContinue to look at everything from one side, and you end up like any extremist! Perhaps your should take your own advice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #37 February 4, 2009 What ever we do or say it will continue the same way for the next generations! There will always be an enemy, and if there is not any we will create one! We are on the good team, and will stay connected what ever happens. But I find sometimes good reasons for being the bad boy! We fuck with the world, the world fuck with us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #38 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote. I really beleive they are one of the few countries in the last 150 years that will USE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to push their agenda if they can get away with it.. The USA is hardly in a positiion to criticize on that account. We've used nukes, cruise missiles, surrogates to fight OUR wars (Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra), cluster bombs, land mines, chemical warfare in 'Nam, overthrown legitimately elected governments (Iran 1953, Chile 1973), sponsored terrorists (Mujahadeen, Contras) and invaded other nations unprovoked (to state but a few items). What's your point. That you hate what the U.S. has done, so it's okay to allow everyone else to do it too? That makes no sense. If you don't like the U.S. meddling in other's affairs with aggression, then you should also oppose the same tactics when done by Iran. Which is it? Do you approve of Iran's aggression, or not? I disapprove of Iran's aggression, just as much as I disapprove of OUR aggression to pursue our goals. Criticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. Something comes to mind about casting the log out of our own eye before worrying about the speck in someone else's eye.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #39 February 4, 2009 QuoteCriticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, and do nothing? Since you acknowledge that Iran's aggression is wrong, I guess we can summarize your feelings about US criticism of Iran as: "We're hypocritical in doing so, but also correct in doing it." Is that a fair statement of your feelings? And since you like pithy sayings, here's another one: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt.Slog 0 #40 February 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteCriticizing Iran for doing what we have done far more of is hypocritical in the extreme. So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, and do nothing? Since you acknowledge that Iran's aggression is wrong, I guess we can summarize your feelings about US criticism of Iran as: "We're hypocritical in doing so, but also correct in doing it." Is that a fair statement of your feelings? And since you like pithy sayings, here's another one: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Good men don't invade other nations that present no threat, good men don't engineer coups d'etat in other nations, and good men don't arm terrorists. The USA has, as jerryz pointed out, done all of these things. If you criticize Iran for doing these things, how can you excuse our own behavior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 February 4, 2009 QuoteGood men don't invade other nations that present no threat, good men don't engineer coups d'etat in other nations, and good men don't arm terrorists. The USA has, as jerryz pointed out, done all of these things. If you criticize Iran for doing these things, how can you excuse our own behavior? I guess it goes to motive and the ultimate goal of why those things are done. You have to ask yourself this... Would you rather live in a free country that is controlled by the people in free elections where they can determine their future???? Or would you prefer to live in a country contolled by a clergy... that goes out of its way to destroy another country for its different religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #42 February 5, 2009 >So are you suggesting that America should forfeit the right to criticize >anyone else for wrongful aggression, and just sit back and remain silent, >and do nothing? First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #43 February 5, 2009 I have just gotten to the point where I just laugh. I mean people are so fucking blind to hypocrisy it just baffles the mind. Excuses, "there are or were our friends". If your friend is a murderer that makes it ok? not to mention one of your friends was Osama the other Sadam. Yet no one seem to get that maybe they are fucking clueless, and just maybe the end never justify the means. If you are constantly changing your standard for right and wrong to fit your view you are a hypocrite, and if you can not see it your an idiot. If you have to change your standard then you are not being ethical again your just to dumb or stubborn to admit you are wrong. Just once try to set a standard for "evil" that can not be applied to the people you call the good guys? No wonder the country is in the shitter right now, we have too many fucking stupid people who have no idea, information, experience, or know how on many subjects yet they choose aside and defend it like it is the Gospel.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 February 5, 2009 Quote I have just gotten to the point where I just laugh. I mean people are so fucking blind to hypocrisy it just baffles the mind. Excuses, "there are or were our friends". If your friend is a murderer that makes it ok? not to mention one of your friends was Osama the other Sadam. Yet no one seem to get that maybe they are fucking clueless, and just maybe the end never justify the means. If you are constantly changing your standard for right and wrong to fit your view you are a hypocrite, and if you can not see it your an idiot. If you have to change your standard then you are not being ethical again your just to dumb or stubborn to admit you are wrong. Just once try to set a standard for "evil" that can not be applied to the people you call the good guys? No wonder the country is in the shitter right now, we have too many fucking stupid people who have no idea, information, experience, or know how on many subjects yet they choose aside and defend it like it is the Gospel. Darius.. you are in some SERIOUS need of some panir... to go with all that whine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #45 February 5, 2009 Im not sure you understand me, or I understand you! "Friends", "Partners" "Good People" It is words thats comes with understanding and feeling equal! I have tried to understand one evil for another, and thats where my arguments have been. I understand why people are doing what they are doing when they have no hopes and no future, but there is a long way to be willing to fight on their side! When we have to choose side, it will be those people who comes close, and that is Europe and another evil America! America is pushing the world hard to keep their world control and power for their markeds, and they have to pay for it also! I believe they had their fingers to much all over the place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #46 February 5, 2009 In what has shown the aggression Iran? Probably has entered the armies into the countries adjoining with the USA (Mexico, Canada)? On how many it is known to all (though probably and not all) armies of the USA are in Afghanistan and Iraq (border on Iran). What can take Iran in the USA? Green candy wrappers which than are not provided. What can take the USA in Iran? At least oil, gas. And who to whom threatens in the given situation? Each capable citizen has the right to the weapon. Each state has the right to the weapon, the right to protection of the interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
