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maadmax 0
I believe welth and high education standard make less religious people, but at once we have wars, nature catastrophes and economic downtimes it makes people back to their religions.
If there is a god, he is a god for everybody, but I believe if so, there is many gods good and bad!
If there is a god, he is a god for everybody, but I believe if so, there is many gods good and bad!
I agree, as pride increases our perceived need for God decreases. And yes, there is nothing like a good personal disaster to reacquaint us with our humility and renew our ability to see the issues clearly.
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shaark 0
QuoteI believe welth and high education standard make less religious people, but at once we have wars, nature catastrophes and economic downtimes it makes people back to their religions.
If there is a god, he is a god for everybody, but I believe if so, there is many gods good and bad!
I agree, as pride increases our perceived need for God decreases. And yes, there is nothing like a good personal disaster to reacquaint us with our humility and renew our ability to see the issues clearly.
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MaadMax, that's not like you. 434 did not mention pride at all.
Increased wealth allows for more education; good education moves people to question more, and not blindly follow previously accepted mores; seems to result in a decrease in peoples perceived need for religion.
Also, increased wealth brings increased comfort and less fear, thus less perceived need for religion.
A far wiser man than either you or I, the Buddha, offered that mans' need for religion springs from fear and frustration. I find it hard to argue with that.
He also declined to even speculate on the question of the existence of a god/gods.
Maybe just to me, but your 'humility' comment seems patronizing and culturally biased. Just my opinion, but true humility is the acceptance of not knowing (re spiritual conundrums). A basic Taoist tenet is that if you think you know THE answer, then you don't. The eternal Tao is unknowable.
The eternal Tao is not synonymous with the Christian God. The concept does not translate. But if the eternal Tao = the Christian God, then the eternal Tao would probably be agnostic, or maybe even atheistic. Quite Zen
tanstaafl
p.s. This thread went a hell of a long way from the OP's topic.
Muenkel 0
QuoteOr it might not give you ANY truth. Since no one has ever come back from the afterlife to tell us about it, and no God has ever been found, it could well be that the whole God/afterlife concept in the Bible is speculative.
Are you absolutely sure about this? Are you aware of every human being's personal experiences?
I've heard the argument about hallucinations, blah, blah, blah; so don't bother.
So, are you positively absolutely sure or are you making a personal assumption?
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QuoteQuoteOr it might not give you ANY truth. Since no one has ever come back from the afterlife to tell us about it, and no God has ever been found, it could well be that the whole God/afterlife concept in the Bible is speculative.
Are you absolutely sure about this? Are you aware of every human being's personal experiences?
I've heard the argument about hallucinations, blah, blah, blah; so don't bother.
So, are you positively absolutely sure or are you making a personal assumption?
Assuming what? That no one has ever come back from the afterlife with holiday snaps? Or that god is indistinguishable from his own non-existence?
Given that the objective evidence for god remains resolutely at zero (personal experience is not objective and I would argue isn't even evidence), I think the possibility that religion is speculative has to be seriously considered. Nothing is being assumed.
Muenkel 0
QuoteThe Catholic Church's teachings are absolutely from the Bible as interpreted by the Magisterium, theologians and the pope as inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church began with the New Testament, however, it does not dismiss the Old Testament.
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You forgot the apocrypha which by definition means writings of doubtful authorship or authenticity.
The following is just of one of many Catholic teachings that are not Biblical and are in fact anti-thetical to it.
The Mass:
According to the Council of Trent, the Mass is the same sacrafice as Jesus' Crucifixtion except that this time it's not bloody.
Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367:
The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory"
This basically means that Christ is being sacraficed again...over and over and over and over at thousands of altars around the world constantly.
They are saying that If you don't believe that the priest summons Jesus down to the altar and that the bread and wine are literally change into the the same actual blood and body of Jesus you are anathema/damned
Council of trent 1551:
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if anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema.
Here are a list of 24 other detailed and specific damnations w/r/t the denial of the Mass set forth by that same council:
http://www.catholicliturgy.com/...ts/DocumentIndex/502
If you belive what the Bible says, the Catholic Church considers you anathema.
The following Scripture shows clearly that this repeated sacrafice during the Mass is antithetical to the Bible...
Hebrews 9:24-28
For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins o many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Hebrews 7:26-28
For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
Hebrews 9:11-12
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10-17
And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord:I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
This Mass just seems to be some sort of neo-quasi/non-Jewish form of the Levitical priesthood, a priesthood that is obsolete and the Temple destroyed after the true and final sacrafice.
I like how one of my former teachers Dr. John MacArthur puts it:
All the Old Testament sacrifices did was portray and develop almost a passionate longing for the final sacrifice which would truly take away sin. The Old Testament had a priesthood, an altar, and sacrifices which were only shadows anticipatory of the final sacrifice that would come with Christ. He came, He offered that sacrifice and God punctuated that one sacrifice by destroying the temple using the Romans to do it in 70 A.D., by destroying the altars, thus smashing the entire sacrificial system of the Old Testament, and all the records of all the genealogies of all those in the priestly line, thus ending permanently the priesthood. There are no more sacrifices. There are no more altars. And there are no more priests as a special order to offer sacrifices. It all came to an end at the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Any sacrifices being made today are unbiblical and unable to accomplish anything.....There is no more temple in which God dwells, no more tabernacle and there is no more priesthood. It is therefore a false sacrifice on a false altar in a false temple by a false priest.
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As I have stated several times in SC, passing judgment on others, oppressing others and killing others are grave sins according to the Catholic faith.
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Then why does it's leaders through its dogma judge others by saying that you are anathema if you don't believe in the Mass.
Why do they oppress nuns?
Why do they forbid Marriage?
The Bible warns us of this stuff even before it was an issue...That is in part what the Bible is for:
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
Here's another warning...and though it is in regard to the scribes, I find it rather interesting.
Mark 12:38-40
And in his teaching he said, "Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes and like greetings in the marketplaces and have the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers.
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I don't completely understand what you are saying here. Throughout the history of Catholicism there has definitely been leaders corrupted with power, however, I do not believe the system is broken.
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I just gave an example of why it is broken and there are plenty more...The Catholic Church thinks it is it's own athority above and beyond the Bible....The Pope answers to nobody and believes he is infallible regardless if his teachings contradict Scripture. It is practices like this that give people dangerous authority to justify acts like the inquisition, the crusades, opressing women and forbiding marriage.
It is sickening how some nuns are treated, especially in other countries, and there are numerous books written about the horror these women went through...There are even more severe consequences in forbiding marriage, like the molestation of children for example.
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No human can break the true teachings of Catholicism.
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It has already been done....many times. Their teachings are the biggest load of bollocks ever...and it is mainly because of them that Christianity has a bad name...
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The core of Catholicism is the Holy Trinity which is completely perfect and can never be corrupted.
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The Catholic Church is attempting to corrupt the Trinity everytime it labels Mary as sinless (which she was NOT) then worship and pray to her so that she may intercede for us. We have only one mediator and that is Christ alone...The worship of Mary is your typical Roman pagan goddess worship. The Bible says nothing about Mary interceding for us in terms of salvation...The most she could do was convince Jesus to make a little wine for a wedding party....not to save us.
Again, I'm not attacking the people in the Catholic Church...many are ignorant of it's teachings. (which is a good thing)
As I said earlier, it is the system and it's leaders who are the problem.
Sources:
Is Roman Catholicism Biblical?
Article
Explaining the Heresy of the Catholic Mass, Part 1:
-Sermon Transcript
-Sermon Audio
Explaining the Heresy of the Catholic Mass, Part 2:
-Sermon Transcript
-Sermon Audio
Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood:
-Sermon Transcript
-Sermon Audio
Various Writings of Emmett McLaughlin, a converted Roman Catholic priest.
http://www48.homepage.villanova.edu/emmet.mclaughlin/
http://histories.cambridge.org/...erson?id=McLaughlinR
Parkes, Henry Banford. A History of Mexico. Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin, 1969.
Coreece,
I'm finally giving you a response to this post. Sorry for the delay. I have been extremely busy this past week and just tonight logged on.
I don't know if you know this but I have Traumatic Brain Injury and struggle many times with reading comprehension. I have to be honest with you and admit that I am struggling with what you are fully stating here. I've read the many posts you made since this one and you are spot on with the true teachings of the Catholic Church.
A couple things that stood out with me:
Your statement about the 'oppression of nuns'. I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that they cannot become priests. This is a rule that the popes have put in place for a reason. The reason escapes me at the moment. This rule can be changed without comprimising the true teachings of our church, as can the rule of only ordaining single men to the priesthood.
The other was the statement about Mary being sinless and the fact that we worship her. It is the teaching of our church that Mary was in fact sinless and born sinless (Immaculate Conception). It is true that there is no reference to this in the Bible. It is something we accept on faith as she was the first Tabernacle. We also do not 'worship' Mary. We honor her. There is absolutely a difference. We only worship God the Holy Trinity, which refers back to the 1st Commandment.
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Coreece 190
QuoteI'm finally giving you a response to this post. Sorry for the delay. I have been extremely busy this past week and just tonight logged on.
I don't know if you know this but I have Traumatic Brain Injury and struggle many times with reading comprehension. I have to be honest with you and admit that I am struggling with what you are fully stating here.
I think the promblem was with me having such a long post...They are difficult to respond to and they just don't seem to be efficient...
QuoteYour statement about the 'oppression of nuns'. I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that they cannot become priests.
The statement about the oppression of nuns was a general statement about how nuns from various orders are "recruited" and physically/emotionally treated, especially in other countries. Though I was vaguely familiar with this notion, I have to admit that I've put it on the back burner and it wasn't until I was preparing the reply to your post that I was reminded of it. I have much more to learn about the history of this mistreatment, but the references I gave address this, specifically in the book "A history of Mexico" by Henry Parkes.
I understand the Catholic Church won't condone mistreatment of anyone, but I think they need to address how their infamous history of mistreatment came about.
IMO, I think it is because they keep adding things that are unecessay and antithetical to scripture...
QuoteIt is the teaching of our church that Mary was in fact sinless and born sinless (Immaculate Conception). It is true that there is no reference to this in the Bible.
Yes it is true, the Bible does not give us much on this subject, but the reason I can state with some confidence that Mary wasn't perfect (sinless) was because she basically admitted her guilt in the Magnificat.
Luke 1:46-47
And Mary said,
"My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.."
If Mary was perfectly sinless, she would have had no need for a Savior which she clearly states.
Mary was certainly blessed and it's ok to honor her, but I think that it has gone too far and She has replaced Christ to some extent.
Thanks for the reply Chris.
Have a great weekend and don't take that Mass too seriously...
Best Regards,
Corey
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
maadmax 0
--I agree, as pride increases our perceived need for God decreases. And yes, there is nothing like a good personal disaster to reacquaint us with our humility and renew our ability to see the issues clearly. MaadMax, that's not like you. 434 did not mention pride at all. Increased wealth allows for more education; good education moves people to question more, and not blindly follow previously accepted mores; seems to result in a decrease in peoples perceived need for religion.
It is my belief that if wealth and education can eliminate the need for God, then God has been replaced by pride. As said in the Bible, " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle gate, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."
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--A far wiser man than either you or I, the Buddha, offered that mans' need for religion springs from fear and frustration. I find it hard to argue with that.
I can see some truth in that statement, I do not defend religion.
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--Maybe just to me, but your 'humility' comment seems patronizing and culturally biased. Just my opinion, but true humility is the acceptance of not knowing (re spiritual conundrums). A basic Taoist tenet is that if you think you know THE answer, then you don't. The eternal Tao is unknowable.
I don't know what is patronizing about my humility statement. Care to elaborate? Your description of humility is very good. It is nice to see someone who can explore the spiritual side of reality.
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It is my belief that if wealth and education can eliminate the need for God, then God has been replaced by pride. As said in the Bible, " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle gate, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."
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--A far wiser man than either you or I, the Buddha, offered that mans' need for religion springs from fear and frustration. I find it hard to argue with that.
I can see some truth in that statement, I do not defend religion.
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--Maybe just to me, but your 'humility' comment seems patronizing and culturally biased. Just my opinion, but true humility is the acceptance of not knowing (re spiritual conundrums). A basic Taoist tenet is that if you think you know THE answer, then you don't. The eternal Tao is unknowable.
I don't know what is patronizing about my humility statement. Care to elaborate? Your description of humility is very good. It is nice to see someone who can explore the spiritual side of reality.
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Muenkel 0
QuoteMary was certainly blessed and it's ok to honor her, but I think that it has gone too far and She has replaced Christ to some extent.
There is truth to this statement but it is the fault of the individual not the church. We are taught to worship God only...and ofcourse President Obama.
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MISSIONARIES OF CHARITY
"As long as you did it to one of these My least bretheren. You did it to Me"
Honorable Lance Ito
Superior Court
210 West Temple Street
Dept. 123, 13th floor
Los Angeles. Calif. 90012
Dear Honorable Lance Ito,
We do not mix up in Business or Politicts or courts. Our work, as Missionaries of Charity is to give wholehearted and free service to the poorest of the poor.
I do not know anything about Mr. Charles Keating's work or his business or the matters you are dealing with.
I only know that he has alway been kind and generous to God's poor, and always ready to help whenever there was a need. It is for this reason that I do not want to forget him now while he and his family are suffering. Jesus has told us "Whatever you do to the least of my brethern ... YOU DID IT TO ME. Mr. Keating has done each to help the poor, which is why I am writing to you on his behalf.
Whenever someone asks me to speak to a judge, I always tell them the same thing. I ask them to pray, to look into thier heart, and to do what Jesus would do in that circumstance. And this is what I am asking of you, your Honor.
My gratitude to you is my prayer for you, and your work, your family and the people with whom you are working.
God bless you
M. Teresa
Dear Mother Teresa:
I am a Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles County and one of the persons who worked on the prosecution of your benefactor, Charles H. Keating, Jr. I read your letter to Judge Ito, written on behalf of Mr. Keating, which includes your admission that you know nothing about Mr. Keating's business or the criminal charges presented to Judge Ito. I am writing to you to provide a brief explanation of the crimes of which Mr. Keating has been convicted, to give you an understanding of the source of the money that Mr. Keating gave to you, and to suggest that you perform the moral and ethical act of returning the money to its rightful owners.
Mr. Keating was convicted of defrauding 17 individuals of more than $900,000. These 17 persons were representative of 17,000 individuals from whom Mr. Keating stole $252,000,000. Mr. Keating's specific acts of fraud were that he was the source of a series of fraudulent representations made to persons who bought bonds from his company and he also was the repository of crucial information which he chose to withhold from bond purchasers, thereby luring his victims into believing they were making a safe, low-risk investment. In truth and in fact, their money was being used to fund Mr. Keating's exorbitant and extravagant lifestyle.
The victims of Mr. Keating's fraud come from a wide spectrum of society. Some were wealthy and well-educated. Most were people of modest means and unfamiliar with high finance. One was, indeed, a poor carpenter who did not speak English and had his life savings stolen by Mr. Keating's fraud.
The biblical slogan of your organization is 'As long as you did it to one of these My least brethren. You did it to Me'. The 'least' of the brethren are among those whom Mr. Keating fleeced without flinching. As you well know, divine forgiveness is available to all, but forgiveness must be preceded by admission of sin. Not only has Mr. Keating failed to admit his sins and his crimes, he persists in self-righteously blaming others for his own misdeeds. Your experience is, admirably, with the poor. My experience has been with the 'con' man and the perpetrator of the fraud. It is not uncommon for 'con' men to be generous with family, friends and charities.
Perhaps they believe that their generosity will purchase love, respect or forgiveness. However, the time when the purchase of 'indulgences' was an acceptable method of seeking forgiveness died with the Reformation. No church, no charity, no organization should allow itself to be used as a salve for the conscience of the criminal. We all are grateful that forgiveness is available but we all, also, must perform our duty. That includes the Judge and the Jury. I remind myself of the biblical admonition of the Prophet Micah: 'O man, what is good and what does the Lord require of you. To do justice, love mercy and walk humbly.'
We are urged to love mercy but we must do justice.
You urge Judge Ito to look into his heart -- as he sentences Charles Keating -- and do what Jesus would do. I submit the same challenge to you. Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience?
I submit that Jesus would promptly and unhesitatingly return the stolen property to its rightful owners. You should do the same. You have been given money by Mr. Keating that he has been convicted of stealing by fraud. Do not permit him the 'indulgence' he desires Do not keep the money. Return it to those who worked for it and earned it!
If you contact me I will put you in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession.
Sincerely,
Paul W. Turley
Three years later, Mr Turley has received no reply to his letter. Nor can anybody account for the missing money: saints, it seems, are immune to audit.
This is by no means the only example of Mother Teresa's surreptitious attitude to money, nor of her hypocritical protestations about the beauty of poverty. But it is the clearest instance, and it is proof against the customary apologetics about innocence and unworldliness.
Mother Teresa reigns in a kingdom that is very much of this world.
"As long as you did it to one of these My least bretheren. You did it to Me"
Honorable Lance Ito
Superior Court
210 West Temple Street
Dept. 123, 13th floor
Los Angeles. Calif. 90012
Dear Honorable Lance Ito,
We do not mix up in Business or Politicts or courts. Our work, as Missionaries of Charity is to give wholehearted and free service to the poorest of the poor.
I do not know anything about Mr. Charles Keating's work or his business or the matters you are dealing with.
I only know that he has alway been kind and generous to God's poor, and always ready to help whenever there was a need. It is for this reason that I do not want to forget him now while he and his family are suffering. Jesus has told us "Whatever you do to the least of my brethern ... YOU DID IT TO ME. Mr. Keating has done each to help the poor, which is why I am writing to you on his behalf.
Whenever someone asks me to speak to a judge, I always tell them the same thing. I ask them to pray, to look into thier heart, and to do what Jesus would do in that circumstance. And this is what I am asking of you, your Honor.
My gratitude to you is my prayer for you, and your work, your family and the people with whom you are working.
God bless you
M. Teresa
Dear Mother Teresa:
I am a Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles County and one of the persons who worked on the prosecution of your benefactor, Charles H. Keating, Jr. I read your letter to Judge Ito, written on behalf of Mr. Keating, which includes your admission that you know nothing about Mr. Keating's business or the criminal charges presented to Judge Ito. I am writing to you to provide a brief explanation of the crimes of which Mr. Keating has been convicted, to give you an understanding of the source of the money that Mr. Keating gave to you, and to suggest that you perform the moral and ethical act of returning the money to its rightful owners.
Mr. Keating was convicted of defrauding 17 individuals of more than $900,000. These 17 persons were representative of 17,000 individuals from whom Mr. Keating stole $252,000,000. Mr. Keating's specific acts of fraud were that he was the source of a series of fraudulent representations made to persons who bought bonds from his company and he also was the repository of crucial information which he chose to withhold from bond purchasers, thereby luring his victims into believing they were making a safe, low-risk investment. In truth and in fact, their money was being used to fund Mr. Keating's exorbitant and extravagant lifestyle.
The victims of Mr. Keating's fraud come from a wide spectrum of society. Some were wealthy and well-educated. Most were people of modest means and unfamiliar with high finance. One was, indeed, a poor carpenter who did not speak English and had his life savings stolen by Mr. Keating's fraud.
The biblical slogan of your organization is 'As long as you did it to one of these My least brethren. You did it to Me'. The 'least' of the brethren are among those whom Mr. Keating fleeced without flinching. As you well know, divine forgiveness is available to all, but forgiveness must be preceded by admission of sin. Not only has Mr. Keating failed to admit his sins and his crimes, he persists in self-righteously blaming others for his own misdeeds. Your experience is, admirably, with the poor. My experience has been with the 'con' man and the perpetrator of the fraud. It is not uncommon for 'con' men to be generous with family, friends and charities.
Perhaps they believe that their generosity will purchase love, respect or forgiveness. However, the time when the purchase of 'indulgences' was an acceptable method of seeking forgiveness died with the Reformation. No church, no charity, no organization should allow itself to be used as a salve for the conscience of the criminal. We all are grateful that forgiveness is available but we all, also, must perform our duty. That includes the Judge and the Jury. I remind myself of the biblical admonition of the Prophet Micah: 'O man, what is good and what does the Lord require of you. To do justice, love mercy and walk humbly.'
We are urged to love mercy but we must do justice.
You urge Judge Ito to look into his heart -- as he sentences Charles Keating -- and do what Jesus would do. I submit the same challenge to you. Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience?
I submit that Jesus would promptly and unhesitatingly return the stolen property to its rightful owners. You should do the same. You have been given money by Mr. Keating that he has been convicted of stealing by fraud. Do not permit him the 'indulgence' he desires Do not keep the money. Return it to those who worked for it and earned it!
If you contact me I will put you in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession.
Sincerely,
Paul W. Turley
Three years later, Mr Turley has received no reply to his letter. Nor can anybody account for the missing money: saints, it seems, are immune to audit.
This is by no means the only example of Mother Teresa's surreptitious attitude to money, nor of her hypocritical protestations about the beauty of poverty. But it is the clearest instance, and it is proof against the customary apologetics about innocence and unworldliness.
Mother Teresa reigns in a kingdom that is very much of this world.
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It's considered good form to provide a citation when you copy & paste something, especially in its entirety. Here, I'll do it for you.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/mother.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/mother.htm
QuoteQuoteMary was certainly blessed and it's ok to honor her, but I think that it has gone too far and She has replaced Christ to some extent.
There is truth to this statement but it is the fault of the individual not the church. We are taught to worship God only...and ofcourse President Obama.
Oh, and Catholics also worship statues. Everyone knows that.
Speed Racer
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QuoteMary was certainly blessed and it's ok to honor her, but I think that it has gone too far and She has replaced Christ to some extent.
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There is truth to this statement but it is the fault of the individual not the church. We are taught to worship God only...and ofcourse President Obama.
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Oh, and Catholics also worship statues. Everyone knows that.
And those 'everyone' are truly troubled by this.
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Coreece 190
Quote>Catholics also worship statues. Everyone knows that.
>>And those 'everyone' are truly troubled by this.
yes.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
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Quote>Catholics also worship statues. Everyone knows that.
>>And those 'everyone' are truly troubled by this.
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yes.
Ignorance causes so much stress.
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Coreece 190
QuoteIgnorance causes so much stress.
Interesting....Perhaps some Catholics will give it up for Lent this year....It's already Fat Tuesday you know.
btw, I already got my paczki!
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
have any of you catholics seen religulous? the not tooo...snarky film about bill mahers search for religious answers to his belief in "i dont know"
he interviews 2 vatican priests who suprisling gave good answers.
he interviews 2 vatican priests who suprisling gave good answers.
Born ok 1st time.
Muenkel 0
Quotehave any of you catholics seen religulous? the not tooo...snarky film about bill mahers search for religious answers to his belief in "i dont know"
he interviews 2 vatican priests who suprisling gave good answers.
I haven't. I have a tendency to not financially support those I find repulsive.
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If there is a god, he is a god for everybody, but I believe if so, there is many gods good and bad!
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