Does anyone care if baseball players take steroids?

[SStewart 13]

I don't

Onward and Upward!

[Jayruss 0]

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I don't

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[Muenkel 0]

I do. I love the sport. I don't want it screwed up by overpaid whiney cheaters. If someone is an athlete, break a fucking record with the talent you were born with. Work hard to be the best. Victory is sweeter when it is honest.

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Chris

[happythoughts 0]

If you are under 6'5", you need to pick a career other than the NBA.
If you are not 6'5" and 280 lbs, NFL lineman is not for you.

The entry criteria to professional sports is not necessarily skill, it can be just simple genetics.
Genetics is just a crapshoot. Steriods are modern medicine.

My only objection to professional sports is that they
are given public funds to build a venue (stadium) for
a private enterprise.

[Amazon 7]

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I do. I love the sport. I don't want it screwed up by overpaid whiney cheaters. If someone is an athlete, break a fucking record with the talent you were born with. Work hard to be the best. Victory is sweeter when it is honest.

But we can make them faster stronger and better. Better baseball thru science

[Andy9o8 2]

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My only objection to professional sports is that they are given public funds to build a venue (stadium) for a private enterprise.

Private enterprises are given public funds, often in the form of tax break incentives, all the time to re-locate (or keep) their facilities one place or another (factories are a typical example of this). The idea being, the investment of public funds pays off as the business contributes to the local economy in multiple ways, both directly and via ripple-effect.

Anyhow, aside from baseball, or track & field, what about pro football? Look at how the size of linemen has grown in the past 30 years. You think that's accomplished just by taking basketball player-sized men, and bulking them up with rib roasts, milkshakes and weight training? I don't think so. Maybe some, but not all.

[happythoughts 0]

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My only objection to professional sports is that they are given public funds to build a venue (stadium) for a private enterprise.

Private enterprises are given public funds, often in the form of tax break incentives, all the time to re-locate (or keep) their facilities one place or another (factories are a typical example of this). The idea being, the investment of public funds pays off as the business contributes to the local economy in multiple ways, both directly and via ripple-effect.

There is a large difference between a tax break
and what happened locally.

They give them tax breaks, and they also used
public funds to build a $300 million football stadium.

The old stadium was working fine, but did not have
enough "skyboxes". Skyboxes are where the big-cash seats are.

$300 mil takes a long time to repay because it will
somehow affect the economy.
Remember, 26 games a year is 13 home games.

It did make the football franchise worth $1 billion though.

A manufacturing concern, across the bay, employs
more than 2000 people, not just 25 millionaires.
That is the business worth attracting with incentives.

[shropshire 0]

Yes, I do . It's cheating and sets a really bad example to the fans, especially the kids.

These people should grow the fuck up and be good ambassadors for their sport and country - and stop acting like the spoilt brats that a lot of them are; they get paid enough

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Coreece 190]

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Yes, I do . It's cheating and sets a really bad example to the fans, especially the kids.

This whole fiasco does not change my view of baseball at all...I still love it and can already smell the good times comming just around the corner!

The bad example has now been proven and it's exposure shows kids that thowing money around and taking steroids in fact does not make you a winner at all...embarassing. I don't even think the Yankee's have won since 2000.

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These people should grow the fuck up and be good ambassadors for their sport and country - and stop acting like the spoilt brats that a lot of them are; they get paid enough

Agreed...it's just hard to force young guys to be men, especially when they're pressured to perform. I wouldn't be suprised if many of them shot up in H.S or college...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[happythoughts 0]

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Yes, I do . It's cheating and sets a really bad example to the fans, especially the kids.

These people should grow the fuck up and be good ambassadors for their sport and country - and stop acting like the spoilt brats that a lot of them are; they get paid enough

There used to be a joke going around that the
Dallas Cowboys were going to have a great team
in 2-to-5 years. Some team members had been
sent to jail for a variety of offenses.

In the US, professional athletes are routinely not
prosecuted for all sorts of crimes. The crimes
against other people are the crimes that concern me.
Crimes of violence are a greater problem that they
don't seem to address.

[434 2]

Steroids means A team 5 000 000 usd + sponsors deals full time pro player

No steroids means B team 50 000 usd a year + part time job!

I think the math do it selves for most athletes.

[Coreece 190]

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No steroids means B team 50 000 usd a year + part time job!

$50,000 AND a part time job?



I'm good with just the 50k for playing baseball...I'd even try to take it too serious and not enjoy it like a real job for 50k/yr.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[434 2]

well it is just okay where I come from, and for a superstar 6 000 000 is just pocket money right? Mike Tysen had 40 000 000 just for one match right! Front page in magazines, fame, hero etc! You know what I am talking about........ All this only for two times 4-6 weeks every year with pills and a few ampulls, and a very low risk to be caught!

How much is the Wrestling superstars making a year for their show? And it is all fake as well.......

[futuredivot 0]

Do I care? As a fan, yes. It dilutes the significance of the records.

Do I think congress should spend time on it? No.

Do I understand why players would? Certainly.

If there was a "sales steroid" that would make me more effective at my job, I'd be riding that needle. Especially if I convinced myself that all of my competitors were doing it.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[pirana 0]

At one time I cared. It is cheating, pure and simple. We now know that many of the best players were and/or are cheaters. They are frauds and their records are bogus. They've sold their souls, and quite possibly their health, for a few dollars more.

Which led me to not caring. Actually, it just reinforced my disdain for professional sports. I quit being a fan after the second time the baseball players went on strike. I love sports, and I love the game; but the business has become a bunch of shit.

They are virtual (if not actual) monopolies that perpetrate the fraud that they stimulate the economy. A big fat fucking lie. Read Major League Losers. A bit dated now but still valid. They do not expand the economy, they channel it to a very few very rich people.

I don't care if they inject themselves with every known toxin on the planet. I don't care if they all take a long walk on a very short cliff. I don't care if they whine and cry and leave town because the public won't finance or even worse pay for their half billion dollar palace. They can all go fuck themselves.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[Andy9o8 2]

Assuming you're correct, that would have to apply to all zillionaire entertainers, like movie/TV stars, musicians, etc. The Romans understood: can't have bread and circuses without the circuses.*










*Speaking of which, do you like gladiator movies?

[frequentfaller 0]

No. why care?
professional athletes having been taking this shit, since it was invented. before that, I've read, they took amphetamines and other drugs. players like Babe ruth and company. These players reach such a competive level, that they will do anything for an edge, and if they think others are doing it, which they are, then their egos will make them do it, to keep up with the other guy. THEY have to be the "best".
Are there any freefly enhancing drugs? i need to dose up.

Born ok 1st time.

[434 2]

Comedians without coke in their nose?

[Lefty 0]

Simple solution: make two leagues. One league is completely legit and no illegal performance enhancing drugs are allowed. The other can be called the "mutant league" where they openly pump these guys full of every steroid known to man so they can be as big, strong, and fast as possible.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[frequentfaller 0]

it already exists:
Minor league and Major league

Born ok 1st time.

[AggieDave 6]

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I've read, they took amphetamines and other drugs. players like Babe ruth and company

Amphetamines were popular, before that the baseball player's performance enhancing drug of choice was cocaine. Part of the difference was that the drugs were actually legal back then.

Personally I'm not a fan of athletes consuming steroids or even pro-hormones, although I do know that performance enhancing drugs were even consumed by roman gladiators, so I've resolved to know that nothing will change. Even with drug testing and the like, it doesn't matter since there are ways around the tests. Look at the IFBB. There are drug tests at their competitions, yet many competitors pass with no problem. That's a really good and fairly extreme example of people getting around a drug test.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[pirana 0]

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Assuming you're correct, that would have to apply to all zillionaire entertainers, like movie/TV stars, musicians, etc. The Romans understood: can't have bread and circuses without the circuses.*

*Speaking of which, do you like gladiator movies?

Which statement are you refering to (that would apply to the other zillionaires)?

I like most any kind of movie that is reasonably well done, though that in itself is highly subjective. I did like Gladiator with Russell Crowe. Good story, decent acting, not a lot of corny unbelievable stuff. (Unlike the latest Indiana Jones flick which I just saw. I don't see how that even qualifes as adventure. It's got so much corny BS it is more like fantasy/science friction).

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[SpeedRacer 1]

Children & teens look up to professional athletes. You shouldn't send a message that to be a great athlete, you need to take anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids can help build muscle, but they really screw up the rest of your body.

Kids should see that athletes who take steroids get punished & kicked off the team.

Speed Racer
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[Andy9o8 2]

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*Speaking of which, do you like gladiator movies?

It was a reference to a classic line in the movie Airplane


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[Gene03 0]

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I've read, they took amphetamines and other drugs. players like Babe ruth and company

Amphetamines were popular, before that the baseball player's performance enhancing drug of choice was cocaine. Part of the difference was that the drugs were actually legal back then.

Personally I'm not a fan of athletes consuming steroids or even pro-hormones, although I do know that performance enhancing drugs were even consumed by roman gladiators, so I've resolved to know that nothing will change. Even with drug testing and the like, it doesn't matter since there are ways around the tests. Look at the IFBB. There are drug tests at their competitions, yet many competitors pass with no problem. That's a really good and fairly extreme example of people getting around a drug test.

Where in the world did you dig up that bit of historical trivia?
A link or reference please?

Back on subject; If they want to turn their grapes to raisins... fine with me.
They don't set a good example though.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)